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Should Pinball be Considered a Sport?

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8 years ago


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    #184 8 years ago

    It's impossible to avoid defining pinball as a sport based on definition... regardless if it is recreational or competitive.

    From dictionary.com: "Sport": an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

    It's arguable that any of these require more skill or physical exertion: racing (sitting in a chair), bowling (a single ball rolling motion, machine even returns the ball to you), hunting (hold gun, pull trigger, send dog to get carcas), fishing (toss in line, sit and drink beer, reel in fish).

    #190 8 years ago
    Quoted from Gov:

    This one always baffles me. I have raced competitively and while it wasn't at a national level or anything it is one of the most physically demanding things I have ever done in my life.

    I don't disagree at all, I've done my share of cross-country driving. It requires constant mental focus and is thus very draining, hands and feet get tired, etc. It helps illustrate that that pinball is also definitively a sport... physical and mental aspects are fully coupled and integral to succeeding at the game, particularly a weekend tournament where you have to be on your feet 12 hours a day and keep that crisp sub-second reaction time.

    #193 8 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    When it is done on your own it's a recreational activity. For example when you go canoeing, swimming, fishing, hunting, biking, pinball etc... you do this by yourself it's a recreational activity....but once you add the element of competition it then becomes a sport. I play by myself in my gameroom - it's recreation. If I go to a PAPA tournament - there it BECOMES sport.

    Football players go jogging, hit the weight room, run obstacle courses, do calisthenics, play catch, run routes, each of which can be competitive sports in their own right, but in that context are also just recreational preparation for the real competition. Pinball for recreation is the same man vs machine challenge that you encounter in a competition, so pinball practice is more like the real thing than preparation for most sports that people argue as the definitive ones (baseball, soccer, football, hockey, basketball, etc).

    #403 8 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    There are no more points to address. Only the fantasy land in the minds of those who hold out hope under some delusion that flipping a pinball is somehow a "sport".
    It's not even debatable. And the comments you have made make me think you are totally full of crapola or.....
    You know what they say, "Ignorance is bliss"

    I'll just re-post the definition of "sport" - "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."

    #424 8 years ago

    Lets keep in mind that all sports can be done for recreation but it doesn't make them less of a sport when thrown into the competitive context.

    The two items I see people getting hung up on are

    1. The competitive aspect of pinball

    Being competitive against others is integral to the definition of a sport. No one can argue that pinball has no competitive aspect to it. Bringing up recreation as if it diminishes the sporting aspect is ignoring the fact that you can do *any* sport for fun and relaxation, and the recreational aspects of any activity don't diminish the sporting aspect in a competitive context. That part of the discussion should be mute at this point.

    2. The physical aspect of pinball.

    Most definitions of a sport only imply some level of physical exertion. While you can't sit on a counch and watch pinball play itself, you can sit on a stool at a machine and use physical reflexes to play the ball, and nudge a 300lbs box just enough to keep the ball in play but not enough to tilt.

    Lets go over a few definitions:

    "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."

    "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."

    "a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other"

    "a ​game, ​competition, or ​similar ​activity, done for ​enjoyment or as a ​job, that ​takes ​physical ​effort and ​skill and is ​played or done by ​following ​particular ​rules"

    A more interesting conversation is when we cross over into video games as a sport. Pinball can be virtualized so that you can sit at a couch and the need to nudge a 300lbs box turns into a press of a button. Lets start by saying not all video games are competitive, a lot are just guided tours. Good examples are multiplayer team shooters, where the software acts as a medium for person vs person combat. A board game (chess, checkers, risk, etc) may involve strategy and competition, but they don't require any reflexes, so are classified as games. Back to pinball... it requires top notch physical reflexes to be a top player it's tough to argue it is not a sport by any definition. In that one can probably argue that multiplayer team shooters are also sporting activities.

    The lines are already starting to get blurred... in the past we were used to only seeing sports like baseball, basketball, football, hockey, soccer, boxing filling arenas and convention centers with competitive participants and fans, but now we are seeing competitive video gaming and pinball filling similar venues... and the continued development of AI and robotics are ushering in an even more grey area of competitive sporting events. Drone wars, robot wars, they are physical and they are competitive.

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