No, they should make new cool stuff IMO.

Out with the old, in with the new.

No.

Why go backwards 15 years when you are going forwards.

And you get back to square one. How many would you actually sell ? Sure A titles have gone up. But that doesn't mean you'd sell enough repros to cover production costs.

If you could sell 1,000 of each, somebody would have already done it. 100 of each would be a reach.

Look when the new Stern pin comes out, how many recent previous models come up for sale so guys can keep up.

The market can only absorb so much.

LTG

I think that it would be a cool idea if used sparingly. (while still concentrating on both new licensed & unlicensed pins) However, I'm thinking that it would be cost prohibitive, if not improbable, to secure the complete licenses to older B/W properties, especially seeing that new parts manufacturer's currently hold many, if not all, of the licenses. (Planetary Pinball, etc.)

No, that seems kind of silly to me. JJP is trying to make the design and build the best pinball machines ever with new technology. I would much rather see them spend 100% of their time creating new great things instead of going back and reproducing classic games.

However, it would be cool to see a company that isn't making brand new games to go back and reproduce some of the older titles.

Remember you can't just xerox a pinball machine. The original molds and stencils for parts and art might not exist anymore, in which case they would have to be recreated. Also, there are different people/companies holding licenses to various williams IP.
I think it would be easier for JJP to simply create a game from scratch...

Move forward with JJP. They will be making new pins that will make you forget all about the WMS classics.

no

JJP should totally go for it. Also, Chevy should start building Shelby Cobras and Ford should build 1960s Corvettes. Both are really valuable, hard to find, and have nothing to do with their respective companies.

No. Pinball needs to move forward not back.

no..
and they could start making some originals. i am fed up of movie tittles :s

They should take inspiration from some of the older machines and realise that licensing is lazy.

Well said

aka Jpop's BHZA...

Why rehash old titles? New themes with new technology for new pins.

JJP has not produced any pinball games at all so far, so it might be premature to start filling their plate with yet more for them to do.

There are plenty of new games even BETTER than the old ones (TRON, Spiderman, AC/DC...), so I'd rather see NEW games that I have not played to death.

I agree no need to go backwards. However, if they were to make a sequal to old themes I wouldn't mind so much.

Exactly.

Let's go forward, not back again.

Big NOOOOO!!!!!

Nope. Forward progress only.

No thanks... Oh, and 9 times out of 10 I'll take a licensed title over an original theme. Licensed titles are just fine by me.

No

Maybe Ford should reproduce old Deloreans. If all musicians just copied the Beatles we would not have gotten Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, AC/DC, etc..

Leave the past in the past- Innovate, make your own classics. Even though WOZ is not the theme I was hoping for, the quality and thought going into it gets me excited.

Stern with Tron LE and AC/DC LE/Premium has stepped up their game also. This decade will rival and surpass the 90's in terms of great pins. I would venture to say that in 20 years there will be a thread about making reproductions of what we have now

Shocked by this thread !!!

Already got a good start on it

I think they need to see how woz sells before moving forward. What's the true le oz stats? 1000 sold? Where are these people? I would think a large percentage of sales would be from here. I think pinside represents a decent number of pin collectors. Why is the woz owner list so small? Less than 100 counted from pinside members? That opened my eyes. Where's the other 900 going to? woz fans? rgp members? distributors? Really? 900.

With all due respect to JJP. Are they making any profit from the first game? Are there enough funds for a 2nd, 3rd game? I hope so, but it seems like it's been more loss, than profit. I think about the list of expenses, and it makes me wonder. I purchased 4 nib sterns, since they been making woz. Feels like dog years. My pin money keeps going to Stern. I've been waiting for the updates like everyone else. Hoping to play it, it before I buy in.

I hear about what's next for JJP, and all I can think is, let's finish up woz guys. This has been going on for a long time. I'm sure some things are beyond their control, and you have to go through the right channels. There's been some hang ups. I get it. But as a consumer, I wonder if title #2 and #3 is going to happen. Hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see something after woz.

No I prefer to have new tables rather than pins that I have played already for days on in. Bring on the new remember and still enjoy the old but look forward to the new.

I say IF, only IF they are already rock'n and rolling with new machines, if the market demands and IF it doesn't interfere with JJP original production.

Im going to go against the grain and say Yes they should reproduce older games. I think a lot of people that have the older games dont want to value of them to drop due to new ones being made.

No way. New innovations and ideas are needed.

I would rather have newer designs and tech...Although If it could be arranged would love to see a Wizard Blocks with Pat and crew working for JJP.

the only way i could see something like this being even remotely viable is if someone set up 'Kit plane" type of business.

Sell plans to make cabinets, create a board set that could play the roms of popular games. then sell things like boardsets, wiring harness kits, and playfield/artwork packages so people could make their own.

I don't think any of this will ever happen, Just save up and buy an original for restoration!

Other than it being a bad idea....THIS is the main issue.

JJP doesn't even have the rights.

The problem with this is that beat games like AFM and MB are going for what NIB Stern/JJP games go for. It would be one thing if you could find a beat one of these for $2-3K and then send it off for restoration. As it is, it just doesn't make sense to do this anymore unless you've got a lot of loose change.

That's just the reality of the situation and a big part of the reason why a lot of people (myself included) aren't even bothering with the "classics" anymore and prefer to go with NIB Stern/JJP games instead.

Exactly why I'm choosing to buy only new titles from this point on. Competition has them both making better pins. I personally think the new pins are getting better than the older pins finally. Not all of them but, they are getting much better.

Coasterguy, I agree completely. I'm 60 years old but am constantly amazed at how much some people in this hobby resist change. Bring on the new machines!

I really want to see what the new pins by JJP are going to be like. I wouldn't be excited if they just did a rehash of the past. I want to look forward to what is next. I want to be amazed. Look at how many people post on what feature JJP is adding to WOZ. How many posts on what is next at Stern.

Yes, William/Bally had awesome pins in the 90's. Yes, they are classic. Yes, they are arguably better than the Stern's in the 2000-2009 era.

Pause, and ask -If the William/Bally model was so successful, why did they stop?

They could make a lot more money making slots so they abandoned the market. If making those pins weren't good enough to keep Williams making pins, how would they keep JJP in business?

Again, I'm just happy Stern is stepping up their game. Think about it- Compare AD/DC Premium, Tron LE, TFLE to Austin Powers, South Park and Roller Coaster Tycoon. Not the same pins.

I can even go on about the boutique pins by JPOP and the new Predator.

Happy times ahead.

nope, i want the new stuff.

It works for Borg, why not...

Agreed.

I used to like this idea but have changed my tune recently as there are some pretty exciting new games coming out now. I would rather see new stuff, that's what keeps this hobby interesting.

See above comments. Absolutely not.

NO!!!!look to the future and even cooler pins.if you think about it there are technically 5 companies making pinball machines now.stern,jjp,the predator guys,jpop and ben heck,and the guys making capt nemo.it is the best pinball has been since the early 90's. its a very exciting time indeed.

No.

Definitely not!!! Leave the past in the past... I'd love to see them revisit an old theme (Elvira), but with a modern spin. Otherwise bring on the new ideas. I have no preference, I like licensed and unlicensed themes.

I know everyone is looking for new and innovative stuff but don't you think there would be a market for a select number of old titles? If they redid MM and sold it for $7-8k I have a hard time believing they couldn't sell 1-1.5k machines.

There may have been a market for that 5 years ago, but not now. People that can afford $7-8k for a pin and "want" an older title will buy the original. Most NIB buyers today want new titles with newer technology if they are going to cough up $7-8k for a pin.

Maybe not JJP, but Planetary Pinball should be. I don't want to sound like a broken record on this, but remaking 100 or 200 Attack From Mars machines wouldn't cost any more per unit than a new Stern, much less WOz.

I'm also not exactly sure what this new innovation you're all expecting is going to be. LCDs in the backbox? There's hardly any wiggle room for major changes before the "that's not real pinball" crowd kicks in. I guess they can continue to make deeper rulesets, but you could be doing that yourself today with a P-ROC and some clever ideas.