My opinion is to play the shit out of the games and make your own opinion.

As for WOZLE or WOZ, no it is not $1,700 better.

LE WOZ is definitely not $1700 better. It's hardly $500 better. Both look great. Make sure you play it first because it's getting mixed reviews in that department.

If you love rock band pins- ACDC all the way. If not- Tron!

Friend of mine feels the same way. He already owns the STTNG as well and thought the pins kinda looks the same, but he's mixed right now. Kinda funny, I was thinking about selling my WOZLE on the list for the ST, but I'm waiting around to see what this ST looks like before I make a decision. The only friendly advise I could think of is wait to see what this ST pin looks and plays like, then make the decision like I'm going to have to face. LOL

I would make sure I played each game first.

This would be my only concern. You already have a Star Trek pin which I'm sure you paid a lot less for compared to the new LE. If you are a Trek collector go for it. If you play your games a lot having two out of three Trek pins might get old. With the amount of money either of these pins command, you have a ton of options to take that same amount and get anything really.

I'm in same boat, have WozLE and thinking will go Ac/dc premium and pick up StLE later if prices drop or its really great...

I would go with a WOZ standard unless you can snag an LE for close to list price. I agree that the game is a blast to play. I own a TZ and find WOZ to be even more complex than that game in terms of toys / features. The code is shaping up nicely and by the time Keith and Ted are done working on it we will have another masterpiece on our hands.

I own an ACDC Premium and you cant go wrong with buying one. I would ask yourself if you prefer games that are more points scoring orientated (ACDC) with lots of stragedy or deep mission bases games (WOZ) that make you feel like your on a quest. I find that ACDC fills that fast flow need for a pin but at the same time I want that story based game with a very deep ruleset that puts you on a quest with multiple paths to take to get there.

Get a WOZ for sure.

WOZ is a very polarizing game. But from the very first game I played on a prototype, I wanted it bad. And since playing a production game, I want it even more. I think it is great pinball, and really I don't care what anyone else thinks about it. Mine is on its way, and that is what matters to me.

But it isn't for everyone, just like any other game. I have an addiction to EBD, but others consider it boring. I love Tron, but others I know think it is too easy. So with that, we really come down to the most important part about pinball. Play the game first, and if you like it and want it, buy the ones YOU like to play and then play the snot out of it and have fun.

Find them, play them, make decision then.

There is no such thing as a WoZ LE... Its a Standard with minor, inexpensive upgrades.

Only one way to make the right decision... wait, play them and then decide.

so its an LE then....
i thought that is what the definition of a LE pinball..... I will have to confirm with Webster on that...

Scott
Detroit Pinball

Yes, the Standard is an LE or is the LE the Standard? I mean the Standard is much rarer than the LE but the LE is numbered... ohh, so is the Standard? But the LE is so unique it looks totally different from the Standard... maybe not?

See the dilemma?

Stop preordering, buy games!

AKA get ACDC or MET!

I'd buy a WOZ.

Stern just continues to make cheap games, yet everybody keeps buying them

I can't figure that out.

No sale here Teekee, focus on what you sell, not what you don't.....

I'd buy a Stern because they are fun

JJP continues to come up with games to presell with few delivered and yet everyone keeps sending them money

I can't figure that out.

I'd go for the standard WOZ.

The first rule of sales is to figure out "why".....when you lose sales to the competition.......

But you do really know right?

Tiki Bird, with all the time you spend talking down WOZ, how could you still not get it? A new company came out with an amazing pinball machine that dollar for dollar is much better than the former "only" manufacturer and you don't like them. It is really that simple. I own a couple of Stern games, and like them a bunch. But I'm not wild about their latest. It just doesn't seem like an 8k game. But of course you can keep singing this tune. That is the priveledge of being on Pinside. But saying you don't get it? I just don't get that.

It's simple, he's a little slow. Give it time.

Plus, he secretly has a hard-on for WOZ. It's constantly on his mind, what other answer could there be?

Buy something proven or a game that has dropped in price do to lack of code if you know the code is currently getting worked. At this point and time I would cherry pick new games and stick to what is proven. I will seek these games in a year or two maybe.

Never thought I'd regard JJP pins as a huge bargain, but that's how they appear now. I hadn't looked one over closely inside and out until today, and the attention to detail is phenomenal. You can argue all day about preferred style of game play and selection of theme, but I don't see where there is a lot of room for disagreement concerning innovation and build quality. It is obvious that Jack wanted this thing to be absolutely top notch. 'Very impressive.