Shangri-Blah to Shangri-La!

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#51 4 years ago

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Hi mrm_4
You did a great job ! When I could buy me my Shangri La it came "Cabinet and Backbox painted plain dark-green. A friend who likes to do restauration- work painted my pin --- not really trying to match the colors with the original (see the first JPG) --- I like it - well I like every Shangri La as it was "my first love back in the late 1960ies").

Do the bumpers in Your pin work "lively" or "a bit lame" ?
See the second JPG, at "my black B" - the Kickoff-Switch --- see "my black C" - I took it apart. Banging with the fist at this place - banging upwards onto the plywood: A bolt jumps up and so the Kickoff-Switch opens - Self-Hold-Circutry of the Lock-Relay is cut - relay let go - pin is "toggled-off" (but attention: As the pin is still plugged-in: At some places 110VAC current is ready to flow - do not touch the inside of the pin).

Here https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2110&picno=20171&zoom=1 to the right of the lady 's hat we can see "Same Player Shoots Again" - and in Your pin ? Greetings Rolf

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#52 4 years ago

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Thanks Rolf!
The pop bumpers, slings, and the flippers are strong in this game and it plays really fast! First time I played I thought it was high tapped but it is not, just a strong game. I have the same player shoot again image in my back glass but I do not have the relay for the add-a-ball.

I love this game I really wish runs of plastics and back glasses existed for it. Especially since there was over 4000 produced.

Thanks for all your help with getting this game running smoothly

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#53 4 years ago

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Hi mrm_4
the pop-bumpers on my Shangri-La were lame --- I did change them to DC-operated - they now are lively. Are You familiar with the Extra-Ball-Mode - also called Add-A-Ball-Mode ? (instead of getting replays - all we get at that situation is: One Extraball (by the counters, by making an Special)) --- here https://www.ipdb.org/files/2110/Williams_1967_Shangri_La_Extra_Ball_Relay_Assembly_Installation.pdf is a paper I donated to ipdb some years ago, the drawing of the "available on request Extraball-Relay" --- I also helped creating this paper: https://www.ipdb.org/files/2110/Williams_1967_Shangri_La_Wiring_Diagram_for_Homemade_Extra_Ball_Relay_Assembly.pdf so take an relay with an M30-1400 Coil and wire it as shown (M29-1100 Coil will also work) --- and You have the Extra-Ball-Mode (You do not make replays anymore).

I wanted to have the pin in Replay-Mode --- and I wanted to make Extra-Ball(s) also - so I made me a new feature (Extraball in Replay-Mode) --- see the JPG - when I make everything on the playfield: I get an Extraball.
(((My secret is: I use the logic in the pin - I use an 6VAC-Relay, I simply grab current flowing to an Playfield-Light to make my relay to pull-in at the time --- see in the JPG: I plug-in my Jones-Plug and I solder-on one wire --- the one marked "S"))).
Greetings Rolf

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#54 4 years ago

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So after way too many hours of learning this photo editing tool I was able to make my first plastic. Very happy with the actual plastic however after getting it together I’m seeing that the holes in the scan aren’t lining up with where the posts are on my game. Going to make a few edits and print it again. Should look pretty good after some adjustments. Using photo paper and the translucency is perfect. Once I get it how I want I’ll mylar the picture to the back of the plastic.

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#55 4 years ago

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Looking pretty sharp!
How did you cut the plastic?

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#56 4 years ago

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Quoted from Atari_Daze:
Looking pretty sharp!
How did you cut the plastic?

After I finish making a few updates Ill post what I did, it was actually WAYYYY easier than I thought it would be. At work at the moment, so when I get home I'll post some more about it, basically just scored Lexan, snapped it into shape and then used my Dremel Multi Max and sanded the rounded ends to shape.

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#57 4 years ago

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so I made some edits of the pictures to fill in the art where the scans had holes since it didn’t line up. I improvised what I think that missing art looked like. Got 2 plastics done.

Captured my method here:
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#58 4 years ago

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Looks fantastic!

#59 4 years ago

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Taking a break from the plastics for a moment and toying with the idea of a lighting mod for the center target

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#60 4 years ago

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Taking a break from the plastics for a moment and toying with the idea of a lighting mod for the center target[quoted image]

Considering doing the same for Magic Town, same setup where it has a plastic in front of the lower popper and I huge hole behind the target the perfect size for a lamp. I would not be surprised if a lamp was planned and the penny counters nixed it to save a few.

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#61 4 years ago

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Ok, all 4 of my plastics are done. Pretty happy to have a complete playfield finally!

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#62 4 years ago

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So after I tried to clear coat the back of the back glass to preserve it, I pretty much ruined the art because the clear shrank as it dried and lifted it off the glass. After a lot of communication with Steve at BGRESTO I’m sending it his way.

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#63 4 years ago

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Now that I’m done repainting the cabinet, creating half of the plastics, soon to be a repo backglass...
I might as well strip the playfield and repaint it then clear coat it at this point.

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#64 4 years ago

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Quoted from mrm_4:
After a lot of communication with Steve at BGRESTO I’m sending it his way.

Heard nothing but good things about Steve, I'm sure you are as eager as we to see the end result!

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#65 4 years ago

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Just got word from Steve that the glass arrived safe and sound and he is getting things set up for the scans!

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#66 4 years ago

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Just got word from Steve that the glass arrived safe and sound

Phew! Such a gamble with FedUp these days!

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#67 4 years ago

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While I wait for Steve from BGResto to work his magic I started experimenting with LEDs. Because of all the blue and greens in this game I decided to use Sunlight white bulbs from Comet. I love the look. It was hard to pull the 44s but now that I see it switched out I love it.

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#68 4 years ago

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Touching up the playfield before I make a playfield protector. I’ll probably clear coat it next spring/summer. Coming along, I have a lot more to go but when I strip the playfield for the protector I’ll touch up everything.
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#69 4 years ago

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Great looking progress so far, I want to see MORE!

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#70 4 years ago

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Thanks man! It takes me so long to mix colors but I think I got that teal dead on. I’m out of town for a few days so I’ll tackle more on Thursday. I’m more excited about making a protector than painting. I ordered a couple 24x48 in .030 PETG. So it’ll basically be a clear hardtop.

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#71 4 years ago

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Very nice work here!

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#72 4 years ago

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Thanks for sharing.

You do exceptional work.

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#73 4 years ago

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Easy to find poorly done hand-painted touch ups. This however looks incredible. Great work and skill! Keep it up.

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#74 4 years ago

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Quoted from tandem2:
Very nice work here!

Quoted from MikeO:
Thanks for sharing.
You do exceptional work.

Quoted from A_Bord:
Easy to find poorly done hand-painted touch ups. This however looks incredible. Great work and skill! Keep it up.

Thanks guys I appreciate the compliments and motivation!

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#75 4 years ago

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Before
And after
The lighting angle is awful. I cant find a good angle to avoid tons of glare. Plus there are so many scratches when the light catches it they appear white. But I filled all the wear and scratches.
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#76 4 years ago

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I got my plastic yesterday so I took a break from painting. Sheets of 24”x48” .030 PETG are $11 on amazon so I got 2. I’m told it’s the same product hard tops are made with.

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#77 4 years ago

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Stripped the playfield and lined up the sheet to get it marked. I was surprised to see this stuff could easily be cut with scissors. I got the edges flush and drilled out holes for the rails.

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#78 4 years ago

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On some of the scrap plastic I practiced drilling out holes for the roll overs. Turned out fine however I realized that the additional height of the plastic was causing the ball to get stuck when it pushed the switch down. So to make up the difference I cut out a circle the size of the roll over, added a double sided adhesive, and put it on the platform. Now when the ball rolls over the surface is level just like it would normally play. Obviously when I do this with the real sheet I’ll have cleaner cuts and I’ll sand it better but this give you an idea of my direction.

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#79 4 years ago

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finished touching up the upper half of the playfield
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Got all the holes drilled and cut out all the slots for the switches
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Then started to repopulate the playfield from the middle out to keep the PETG from bowing up
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#80 4 years ago

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After way too many hours in the basement this weekend I think it paid off. It looks amazing

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#81 4 years ago

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Excellent job Matt. That playfield does indeed look amazing.
~ Mal ~

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#82 4 years ago

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Excellent job, looks fantastic!

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#83 4 years ago

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Wow! That game is lucky that you're the guy that found it. Great work.

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#84 4 years ago

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So how is it as a player?

Is it a good single player game?

Or more oriented to competing?

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#85 4 years ago

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It’s super fast and a drain monster. These little flippers are really powerful which surprised me. As a single player game I don’t care about the score all I want to do is light the special and hit the star target.
Last weekend I had people over and we had a mini knockout tournament, everyone was hooked on it. I think it’s because it looks like such a simple game but it’s so hard to complete the board. You’ll get so close and it’ll rip it away from you so fast. I’m addicted to it. I put up my personal best last night of just over 4000. It’s so funny to say that because I thought I would be rolling the score every time.
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#86 4 years ago

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Just came across this and read through the entire thread. Awesome work! Cab, plastics, playfield...everything. Game has been revived and looks stellar.

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Quoted from mrm_4:
I’ll probably clear coat it next spring/summer.

Definitely clear this when you get time. Ever since I did my Vampire, I want to clear every EM. Makes them play so smooth and fast.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-vampire-restoration-input-suggestions-welcome

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#87 4 years ago

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Quoted from Colsond3:
Just came across this and read through the entire thread. Awesome work! Cab, plastics, playfield...everything. Game has been revived and looks stellar.

Definitely clear this when you get time. Ever since I did my Vampire, I want to clear every EM. Makes them play so smooth and fast.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-vampire-restoration-input-suggestions-welcome

Thanks!!!
That’s funny man I was literally just drooling over your Spider-Man thread.

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#88 4 years ago

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Thanks!!!
That’s funny man I was literally just drooling over your Spider-Man thread.

That is funny. Thanks for checking it out.

I wish Spiderman had some simple geometric designs like some of these old EM’s. If I redo the whole thing, that intense webbing, as opposed to splatter, mixed in with that gray will probably be a task to replicate nicely.

Either way, awesome job on your pin. I’ve never seen in person or played a Shangri-la.

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#89 4 years ago

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Seems a lot of people haven't seen this game in person so i figured I'd post some game play of mine.

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#90 4 years ago

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An awesome restore Matt and thanks for the video, I enjoyed watching it. That bell certainly has a ring to it.
I did have my speakers up a bit loud though...
~ Mal ~

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#91 4 years ago

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Got my backglass from BGResto. It looks pretty good, although a bunch of colors are off. It’s not bad just doesn’t match. Purple changed to black. Vanilla sky is peach. Greys changed to peach. Browns changed to red. Some of the fuchsia changed to red.
But it looks better than the mess I made out of the original. Overall I’m happy with it. It’s definitely more vibrant.
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Looks pretty good in the game
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#92 3 years ago

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Been having an issue with this game skipping a ball intermittently since day one. Finally got it fixed by replacing Switch C on Stack 3 of the score motor. Thanks to John_In_WI for helping me out through the “looking for EM parts” thread.

Had the Mrs play a few games with me to make sure nothing missed.

Working like it should now!

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#93 3 years ago

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I’ve been wanting to turn this game into an AAB.

Deez helped me by giving me a relay bank from an old parts bowler.
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I found the appropriate relay and stripped some of the old wiring to make it look a little more authentic.
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I got a jones plug and some waxed lacing string from pinhead52
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Installed it and gave it a test, looks so good with that light between the flippers and being able to finally see the “Same Player Shoots Again” text lit up in the backglass!
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#94 3 years ago

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Hi mrm_4
You did a great job - re-making the (at the time) "available on request Extraball-Relay" to change the pin to 'Add-A-Ball, Add-A-Ball-Mode' (I prefer saying 'Extraball-Mode'). I refer to my (post-53) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/shangri-blah-to-shangri-la-/page/2#post-5152622 playing in Replay-Mode - having an new put into the pin feature "Extraball". Greetings Rolf

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#95 3 years ago

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Quoted from rolf_martin_062:
Hi mrm_4
You did a great job - re-making the (at the time) "available on request Extraball-Relay" to change the pin to 'Add-A-Ball, Add-A-Ball-Mode' (I prefer saying 'Extraball-Mode'). I refer to my (post-53) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/shangri-blah-to-shangri-la-/page/2#post-5152622 playing in Replay-Mode - having an new put into the pin feature "Extraball". Greetings Rolf

Thanks Rolf!

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#96 3 years ago

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I forgot about these coin door labels I printed up a while ago. So I got them applied.
Plus any excuse to open the door and smell the inside of the cabinet makes me happy.

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#97 3 years ago

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I randomly got a text from my buddy Glen that he saw Shangri La plastics On eBay. After shitting my pants I log on and immediately start bidding like crazy.

I’ve been tracking one plastic for 2 years and there it is!!!

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I won the bid and just got the plastics today.

The seller shipped them in a fucking bag and it’s snapped in half!!!

I’m so sick of this hobby shitting on me every step forward is 2 back with every project.
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#98 3 years ago

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Damn, of all the luck.

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#99 3 years ago

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That really sucks, sorry to hear about the plastic damage. I've really enjoyed following this thread; beautiful game!

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#100 3 years ago

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Quoted from EasternBloc:
That really sucks, sorry to hear about the plastic damage. I've really enjoyed following this thread; beautiful game!

Quoted from Atari_Daze:
Damn, of all the luck.

Thanks for following
Yeah it sucks so bad, the eBay seller was cool about it and is refunding. He feels sick after I explained the significance. Said he found them in a drawer, thought they were more durable being plastic, and had no clue anyone would even care about them.

Oh well, hunt continues

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