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Shadow WPC-S all flippers and magnet weak

By robm

6 years ago


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    #1 6 years ago

    I have a Shadow that was having some reset issues, and after a lot of board swapping and plug checking i have sorted that out, however now all 3 flippers and the magnet are quite weak. The flippers are all free, with no binding anywhere. There is 76V at all lugs of all coils on the machine. So i don't know where to go next - i also swapped fliptronics boards with a known working one and still the flippers are weak. The magnet will grab the ball, but does not have power to throw it - previously is worked fine.

    Any idea what would cause this sort of issue? I would normally go a rebuild all the flippers (they were nice and very strong a few weeks ago before the resets started occurring), but the fact that the magnet doesn't have strength to throw the ball leads me to think its definitely an electronic issue and not mechanical.

    #2 6 years ago

    Hey robm
    You can start with cleaning the flipper and magnet optos. Dirty optos will cause weak flippers. Since you've been swapping boards
    make sure all connectors are correct, especially ones that are missing keys.

    #3 6 years ago

    Yep, have cleaned all optos.

    I also just did the 'flipper coil' test and they are weak then as well, so that eliminates an opto problem i would have thought (as i believe the test drives the coils directly, not from the flipper switch). Also double checked all plugs going to fliptronics board, and double checked there is no mechanical binding on any flippers - they all move very freely and the EOS only activates right at the end of the stroke.

    #4 6 years ago

    As all three coils are weak and you've replaced the fliptronics board there must be some high resistance in the voltage supply to the fliptronics board, so the current supply is poor. Check connectors to the fliptronics board power input and check the fliptronics board bridge rectifier BR1 for four diode readings and cracked solder joints.

    #5 6 years ago
    Quoted from Paddypaws:

    As all three coils are weak and you've replaced the fliptronics board there must be some high resistance in the voltage supply to the fliptronics board, so the current supply is poor. Check connectors to the fliptronics board power input and check the fliptronics board bridge rectifier BR1 for four diode readings and cracked solder joints.

    I think you are on the right track..... Looking at the schematic, the magnet (and single drop) are driven from the fliptronics board, so it is too much of a coincidence that the magnet is weak along with all flippers.

    So i tried another known good fliptronics board for good measure, same thing - all weak flippers. I also double checked this by using the Shadow fliptronics board in BSD, and it plays perfectly.

    So in my mind, it has something to do with power or ground coming in or out of the fliptronics board. I have pushed the wires firmly into the IDC connectors with a flat blade screwdriver, so i guess the next step is putting new plugs on some connectors at the fliptronics board?

    #6 6 years ago

    Replacing the connectors with some good trifurcon molex crimp ones wouldn't hurt. You could try finding where each pin goes on the board and doing a resistance reading from the IDC pin to there to make sure they're all making good connection. Might be worth seeing where the connector goes too

    #7 6 years ago

    Normally if connectors are in poor condition a bit of re-seating will temporarily fix it, so I'd concentrate on the power supply. The voltage under load is probably low. When a flipper that is activated, it'll be dropping a lot compared to the open circuit voltage I'll bet! Replace BR1 for starters.

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    #8 2 years ago

    I'm having the exact same issues.
    What was the solution?
    All my boards were serviced.

    #9 2 years ago
    Quoted from Jeffreyjonesbsme:

    I'm having the exact same issues.
    What was the solution?
    All my boards were serviced.

    Do you have the luxury of having another Fliptronics II board you can swap and test ? You have a multimeter to measure voltages ? On the power driver board I would carefully inspect both J102 and J104 as they are interconnected and bring the 50V AC from the transformer straight to the Fliptronics board , before it is converted back to DC to drive the flippers. J102 is prone to have damage over time , which would increase resistance and lower the power to the flippers. Try and measure the voltage and press the flippers a few times to see if there is a significant difference between both.

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    #10 2 years ago
    Quoted from Jeffreyjonesbsme:

    I'm having the exact same issues.
    What was the solution?
    All my boards were serviced.

    Do you have J104/J105 plugged in upside down?

    #11 2 years ago
    Quoted from PinballManiac40:

    Do you have J104/J105 plugged in upside down?

    J104 has blue/white on pins 1 and 2 (left side)
    I saw where someone had them on 4 and 5.
    J105 has nothing connected there.

    #12 2 years ago
    Quoted from Roamin:

    Do you have the luxury of having another Fliptronics II board you can swap and test ? You have a multimeter to measure voltages ? On the power driver board I would carefully inspect both J102 and J104 as they are interconnected and bring the 50V AC from the transformer straight to the Fliptronics board , before it is converted back to DC to drive the flippers. J102 is prone to have damage over time , which would increase resistance and lower the power to the flippers. Try and measure the voltage and press the flippers a few times to see if there is a significant difference between both.
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    I have ordered a brand new Fliptronics board and power driver board...though both were serviced by a board specialist.
    Measure each pin's power and look for voltage drop with flipper use?
    Measure what exactly...test point?
    Connector on or off?
    Sorry...I want to do this correctly.

    1 week later
    #13 2 years ago

    I was able to solve the issue.
    It wasn't the Fliptronics board at all.
    The 5 pin connector on the power driver board at J104 (white/blue wires) going to the Fliptronics board must have had a bad connection.
    I replaced with a brand new harness and the problem has gone away.

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