Eneloops are great but you have to order them online, I haven't found a retailer for them. They also work great in low voltage situations that require low current over time.
Eneloops are great but you have to order them online, I haven't found a retailer for them. They also work great in low voltage situations that require low current over time.
Quoted from shimoda:Eneloops are great but you have to order them online, I haven't found a retailer for them. They also work great in low voltage situations that require low current over time.
Seemingly, anything worthwhile must be ordered online.
Home Depot and Lowes are full of shoddy low end products.
Quoted from shimoda:Eneloops are great but you have to order them online, I haven't found a retailer for them
Bestbuy and Costco have them, but it's way cheaper to buy online.
Quoted from vid1900:It seems they are Lowes "house brand", so I don't know if they are big enough to draw counterfeiters?
I'm not sure since their CFL bulbs are pretty awesome and last forever. Perhaps they just use a bad supplier for their batteries.
Quoted from Crash:Perhaps they just use a bad supplier for their batteries.
According to their MSDS, the Utilitech are made by the Zheliang Mustang Battery Company.
They are worse than even the Harbor Freight and CVS ones in this shootout:
1. Duracell Alkaline – Continuous run time 5:20 (dim 4:50) (cost for test 42 cents per battery)
2. Harbor Freight & Tools Thunderbolt Alkaline – Continuous run time 5:00 (dim at 4:50) (18 cents per battery)
3. CVS Brand Alkaline – Continuous run time 4:58 (dim at 4:20) (25 cents per battery if BOGO)
4. Sunbeam Alkaline – Continuous run time 4:54 (dim at 3:24) (25 cents per battery)
5. Utilitech Alkaline (Lowes store brand) – Continuous run time 3:51 (dim at 3:30) (27 cents per battery at normal store price.)
I still remember John's Jukes cross checking a NIB Black Knight that was in his warehouse since 1981. Factory batteries were still on the CPU board and had not leaked, but were over 20+ years old. They were not Duracell OR Energizer, and are a testament to the way things USED to be. Batteries were still dead though, but the machine sold for over $5K and even the BG had not peeled.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:I still remember John's Jukes cross checking a NIB Black Knight that was in his warehouse since 1981. Factory batteries were still on the CPU board and had not leaked. They were not Duracell OR Energizer.
That is because they where "heavy duty" batteries. Different chemistry. While those batteries can leak, they seem to be less likely to do so than an alkaline.
Quoted from vid1900:Probably one of those $2,000 blue laser pointers that can start fires?
Those are not that expensive. I bought 6 of them for $300 the last time I was in China.
Quoted from barakandl:That is because they where "heavy duty" batteries. Different chemistry.
That's my point.
Be cheap, pay the price, that is the reality of today's "throw away" world.
I have not used an akaline set of batteries on my boards since 1998, or a machine purchased after that time.'
Heavy duty, remote pack WITH plastic bag.
You can still easily find them if a person is not lazy.
Quoted from WonkoTSane:Those are not that expensive. I bought 6 of them for $300 the last time I was in China.
I just checked and they have come way down, even here in the USA a 2w+ is $300.
Quoted from vid1900:I just checked and they have come way down, even here in the USA a 2w+ is $300.
I bought 6 of the 10w blue lasers for $50 each and the guy tossed in a 2w green laser pointer for free because I was such a good customer. The markets in Shenzhen are amazing places.
Quoted from vid1900:They are much less likely to leak than alkaline batteries, but they do occasionally leak or vent.
The only batteries I can't seem to get to leak are the Sanyo Eneloop.
The guys on the Canon photography forums worship them.
They do finally die after about 7 years, but there does not seem to be anything inside them to leak out:
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Hey Vid, Are those the rechargeable batteries? The Eneloop ones? Any AA charger work charging them?
Quoted from PinsOnly:Hey Vid, Are those the rechargeable batteries? The Eneloop ones? Any AA charger work charging them?
Yep, rechargeable.
Any AA charger that will do NiMH should be fine.
Nickel Metal Hydride batteries are a better choice over NiCD due to extended charge capacity. I do not recommend lithium. The best option right now remains NVRAM, but replacing all games with this can be expensive if you have a large collection.
I use those eneloop batteries at home a lot. You're saying I can use them in my pins too? I didn't know this. Any downside? Do they last?
Quoted from acebathound:What's to stop anyone from claiming energizer batteries leaked and just throw in leaky ones into a crappy board that already got leaked on? Just curious..
Honesty and Integrity I imagine. Some days that's all we have and some days it's all we need.
Quoted from shimoda:Eneloops are great but you have to order them online, I haven't found a retailer for them. They also work great in low voltage situations that require low current over time.
They are rechargeable and Costco sells them. The question is: do they ever leak? How long will they hold a charge in a pinball machine?
Quoted from reynolds531:They are rechargeable and Costco sells them. The question is: do they ever leak? How long will they hold a charge in a pinball machine?
All batteries can "leak" in different ways, based on their composition (non technical answer, as this is not a chemistry lesson) some just some have less chance and are more dangerous than others based on propensity and quality of manufacturer methods. Rechargeable batteries will last for years in pinball machines. Current use is very low.
The only way currently to completely eliminate the problem is NVRAM.
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so the moral of the story is. Don't replace your star trek LE laser with one of these.
Quoted from KenLayton:Any word back from Eveready yet about whether they will cover this board or not?
I don't see why they would not cover it as long as the battery did the damage. The cost for that is nothing for them.
I'm curious as to how long the resolution will be. Will they take care of this right away or will they drag it out for a long time?
Quoted from fiberdude120:I don't see why they would not cover it as long as the battery did the damage. The cost for that is nothing for them.
Yes, for this one item. But if everyone that had battery damage sent things in....it would cost a lot to fix/replace.
Quoted from fiberdude120:I don't see why they would not cover it as long as the battery did the damage. The cost for that is nothing for them.
Yea I'm dying to hear their response. I wish I had done this with my System 9 board
Quoted from northvibe:Yes, for this one item. But if everyone that had battery damage sent things in....it would cost a lot to fix/replace.
I understand, but they don't . So I would hope they take care of this in a timely manner.
I agree, it would set precedents. Do it for one , do it for all. Sorry to say I just don't see it happening.
Good luck
Quoted from hoby1:I agree, it would set precedents. Do it for one , do it for all. Sorry to say I just don't see it happening.
Good luck
Then maybe they shouldn't make a product that fails (or don't make the guarantee)?
Quoted from reynolds531:They are rechargeable and Costco sells them. The question is: do they ever leak? How long will they hold a charge in a pinball machine?
i thought i read somewhere you have to mod the battery holder with a diode if you want to use rechargeable batteries in your pin but i might be mistaken.
Quoted from InfiniteLives:i thought i read somewhere you have to mod the battery holder with a diode if you want to use rechargeable batteries in your pin but i might be mistaken.
I would not try and have the 5v rail of a PCB try and charge AA style batteries without testing and some paper theory. It might work, it might explode. I am thinking you would need to do more than just jumpering over the diode. Probably need some sort of resistor to limit current going to the battery.
You can use a 4.8v Lithium battery in place of the AA's, but you will need a fast-switching diode in series to prevent trickle charging, yet still apply the backup voltage to the MPU. A decent lithium battery will last 10 years and NEVER leak on your PC board. And you won't have to worry about alkaline damage.
Wow that's great! I wonder how they will treat other people when they start making claims for their pinball boards?
Quoted from o-din:Do you get the old board back too?
Never had to send in the board.
I sent a bunch of excellent, well lit, well focused pics.
Too bad we can't file claims against GE for their leaking nicad batteries on the classic Bally/Stern MPU boards. I'd be rich if I could.
Quoted from vid1900:Never had to send in the board.
I sent a bunch of excellent, well lit, well focused pics.
That's great!
I'm guessing they might have been a little intimidated.
Quoted from vid1900:Full.
It was really a no hassle process.
So then what is the amount of the check?
Will you be buying a Rottendog replacement board?
Quoted from KenLayton:Wow that's great! I wonder how they will treat other people when they start making claims for their pinball boards?
I'm sure a bunch of pinheads will immediately get off on the wrong foot with "Hey, I want a new board!!! There was a guy on the forum that got a new board, I want one too!!! You guys make crappy batteries nowadays!!!"
They really seemed nice through the entire process.
I used my best corporate voice, let them lead the process, and kept my part of the conversation on point. My emails were formatted like a professional business letter.
I did not claim that I was an expert.
I did not claim that I had 47 pinball machines.
I did not say that I saw online that many of their batteries leak.
I was just Joe Homeowner with some leaking AA cells.
The moment you start shooting your mouth off, bragging how much your pinball machine is worth, pointing out forum posts as examples, saying that old batteries never leaked - you are going to put them on the ropes and they are going to do the least to help you out.
You just opened up Energizer to a rampant amount of board claims.
Congrats on getting a replacement check.
Quoted from KenLayton:So then what is the amount of the check?
$318 I think was the total.
Quoted from KenLayton:Will you be buying a Rottendog replacement board?
I'll just repair the old one.
At my usual service rate, I'll probably break even on the $300.
Quoted from vid1900:$318 I think was the total.
Just wondering, but did they come up with that thought their own research?
Quoted from Blackbeard:You just opened up Energizer to a rampant amount of board claims.
Duracell, Rayovac, Energizer, Sony, Kodak, Panasonic .... they all seem to have the exact same warranty.
If any of them destroy a board, call and make a claim.
Quoted from steve1515:Just wondering, but did they come up with that thought their own research?
They asked me for the exact board number/name/model.
They asked me if I had any idea what the board's replacement would cost.
I said that on Google I had found a place called K's Arcade that had the board in stock.
So the check appears to be the cost of the board and shipping.
Quoted from o-din:Vid can now get back to doing the more enjoyable things in life.
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Choking chicks is the best.
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