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Sellers remorse...should I sell back?


By Heaterguy

45 days ago



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    #1 45 days ago

    Has anyone ever got a call from a family member of the person you bought a game from wanting it back? How did you handle it? I have mixed emotions. I wanna do whats right but dont wanna sell the game. I bought it from a step daughter, now the son of the previous owner wants it back. I have about 20 hours labor plus travel plus about $50 parts in it. It was in pieces along with 2 and a half other machines. She didnt even realize there were 3 complete games there. She mentioned the Dads other kids didnt wanna mess with the estate, which was a hoarders mess. Now that I have done the work, they want the reward. Im thinking had he contacted me sooner before i put the time and effoet in I would have sold it back but now im not so inclined to as I have learned the stepdaughter had permission from the father who is in (hospice and a Korean War veteran) to sell all the Assets in the house and all the buildings that was being repossessed by the bank and it was quite a mess. The reason I am not going to sell them back is because the sons had not visited their father in over 25 years and she had never even met them but had taken care of the father all these years. What type of sun would let his father's home get repossessed and then show up years later only to try and claim the assets? I plan on doing what the father wanted done with these machines... Restore them, and will do so in his honor.

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    #2 45 days ago

    Too late. Nobody cared before you bought them.

    Too big a risk that they think they were sold too cheap and want them back to resell.

    I just don't see enough to consider selling back to make them feel better.

    LTG : )

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    #3 45 days ago

    You bought them, paid legal tender for a legal transaction, it's yours.

    Offer it back at $ 100 rate per your hour spent on shopping, only fair to both sides. Plus like 25 bucks per hour on the car.

    If they are serious about the remorse and want the games for keepsake it will be fair deal.

    And if that would have happened to me I wouldn't even consider selling back.

    If they are only in for the extra $ then forget about it.

    #4 45 days ago

    Nope. Do not engage with them. Tell them a deal is a deal and you have put in time and money and they are yours.

    If you are nice you can offer to let them know when you are ready to sell them and let them buy them at your price, but I would just stay away from that drama.

    #5 45 days ago

    What a mess but I agree with Dergoetz, if I were to sell them back there would be one heck of a labor bill that would tally high enough that I would be satisfied with transaction.
    I think you bought them and it was fair game and it's up to you if you sell them back.No shame either way.
    -Mike

    #6 45 days ago

    Ignore those slime. They’re your games now.

    #7 45 days ago

    Its a situational answer, and in this situation I'm 100% in line with dergoetz 's opinion.

    #8 45 days ago

    No, not at all!

    #9 45 days ago

    As has been already said tell them you'll give them first crack once and "IF" you are wanting to part with them. Tell them about the substantial time you put into it and put a price out there "IF" you were so inclined. The reality is that they are yours and you have ZERO obligation. Your conscience should be clear.

    #10 45 days ago

    I thought about telling him if he can find another Fireball purchase it and bring it over to my house he can take his father's in trade straight up even deal. If he did that it would tell me a lot about his true intentions and love for the heirlooms but I highly doubt he would ever go to that much trouble I have a strong feeling it's all about money with this guy. I mean who doesn't visit there a lien Korean War veteran father in over 20 years and lets his house get repossessed while the step daughter takes care of him everyday for 20 years then they show up wanting the assets? That tells me all I need to know about this gentleman and his brother

    #11 45 days ago

    No. Not after that much time and/or effort invested in them.

    #12 45 days ago

    They are yours, politely decline. They were neglected before you got them- clearly there was no interest until now.

    #13 45 days ago

    I think you’ve answered your own question...
    Block their phone number...

    #14 45 days ago

    What a sun of a bitch. Talk to text there.

    #15 45 days ago

    Daughter had fathers permission to sell. You bought. That’s it. Don’t do it. And don’t feel guilty.

    #16 45 days ago

    Bro we already told you on Facebook...keep the game. They just want it now cuz it’s worth a few bucks.

    #17 45 days ago

    NO. Keep all of it.

    #18 45 days ago

    I agree with everyone else - you are in the clear Keep It. no second thoughts. Enjoy it, it's yours

    #19 45 days ago
    Quoted from extraballingtmc:

    Bro we already told you on Facebook...keep the game. They just want it now cuz it’s worth a few bucks.

    And I'm sure they did a quick Ebay look for cost comparison and think they are worth 5 times more than they actually are .

    Keep them and enjoy that you brought them back to life .

    #20 45 days ago
    Quoted from jackd104:

    Daughter had fathers permission to sell. You bought. That’s it. Don’t do it. And don’t feel guilty.

    They want the stuff after dad is in hospice and they have not seen him in years? Politely but firmly decline.

    #21 45 days ago

    I wouldn’t sell them even if the brothers gave you all the extra money you added on for your time and materials. They are losers and complete piles of shit. They obviously could care less about their dad so this isn’t an heirloom or good memory/keepsake situation. Ignore them and enjoy your pins.

    #22 45 days ago

    If the roles were reversed and the sons who hadn’t seen their father in 20 years sold the games, but the daughter that has been by the fathers side wanted them back, I would consider it. As everyone else has said, these are your games now and the daughter is doing as the father wanted. Done and done

    #23 45 days ago

    Don't do it. A deal is a deal.

    #24 45 days ago

    I have run into the same type thing a couple times in the past. I explained to the seller that I would be more than happy to sell their machine back to them but I would need to get paid for my time & parts it took to repair the machine.

    So basically offer it back to them at $1050 more than you paid (plus your travel expenses). $50 an hour for your time (and that is cheap for repair rate these days) - plus cost to go pick it up - plus parts at your cost.

    By doing that you at least give them a chance to buy it back if they really want it but I highly doubt anyone will want to spend that kind of money unless they fully understand the hobby.

    No way I would sell it back without getting paid for my time regardless of what anyone says. In my eyes the only question is "labor rate" for your time. Typically most guys charge between $50 and $100 an hour these days so in my eyes going with the cheaper labor rate is being more than fair to the son.

    #25 45 days ago

    Those losers are looking at those machines as if they were a retirement plan. They see shows like Pawn Stars and Storage Wars and think they have a gold mine.

    #26 45 days ago

    Keep the games you have put the time and money into them.

    #27 45 days ago

    The only guy that really cared about them has passed. He would be glad someone has treated them right and is enjoying them.

    #28 45 days ago

    Block their number. It’s only going to be drama from this point on

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    #29 45 days ago

    Stick with your restoration plan in honor of the father as you originally posted.

    You bought the games for their selling price (worth to the seller) back THEN. Should you even consider setting a price and offering them back to the sons (and I think you definitely should NOT because they're your games now and you already said that you don't want to sell them), that price has to minimally be what you consider them to be worth to you NOW.

    This is incredibly analogous to the proper attitude to adopt when gambling in a casino: be it known that you are *NEVER* playing with the house's money. Whether it's the stack of chips in front of you on the table or the credits on a machine, those represent YOUR money. And that's precisely where the notion of "the house's money" came from: chips and credits are intentionally designed to emotionally manipulate you into devaluing your own money. So if you hit a $1,000 jackpot on the very first thing you touch and then spend the next three hours giving it all back, you didn't "have a good time" and "had fun playing with the house's money." Nope. Quite the opposite: you lost $1,000 of your own money because you could have taken your winnings and left. But you didn't (like most people, myself included all too often) because devaluing money via chips/credits is one of the hundreds of ways casinos are constantly manipulating us emotionally from the moment we pull into the parking lot. (And if you don't believe chips/credits make you instantly devalue your own money, imagine if instead of using using chips/credits, you had to reach in your pocket and put the same amount in actual cash on the table or into the machine every time you placed a bet. The casinos know that people would likely not play as long if they had to play with cash only - so they generally don't let you.)

    The sons are trying to manipulate you emotionally. Don't let them "guilt" you into parting with YOUR games. Do yourself a big favor and re-read your original post - as if someone else was asking you for advice in the same situation. There. You are officially absolved of the sons' attempted emotional manipulation. Restore those games in honor of the father and never look back.

    #30 45 days ago
    Quoted from TheRudyB:

    Stick with your restoration plan in honor of the father as you originally posted.
    You bought the games for their selling price (worth to the seller) back THEN. Should you even consider setting a price and offering them back to the sons (and I think you definitely should NOT because they're your games now and you already said that you don't want to sell them), that price has to minimally be what you consider them to be worth to you NOW.
    This is incredibly analogous to the proper attitude to adopt when gambling in a casino: be it known that you are *NEVER* playing with the house's money. Whether it's the stack of chips in front of you on the table or the credits on a machine, those represent YOUR money. And that's precisely where the notion of "the house's money" came from: chips and credits are intentionally designed to emotionally manipulate you into devaluing your own money. So if you hit a $1,000 jackpot on the very first thing you touch and then spend the next three hours giving it all back, you didn't "have a good time" and "had fun playing with the house's money." Nope. Quite the opposite: you lost $1,000 of your own money because you could have taken your winnings and left. But you didn't (like most people, myself included all too often) because devaluing money via chips/credits is one of the hundreds of ways casinos are constantly manipulating us emotionally from the moment we pull into the parking lot. (And if you don't believe chips/credits make you instantly devalue your own money, imagine if instead of using using chips/credits, you had to reach in your pocket and put the same amount in actual cash on the table or into the machine every time you placed a bet. The casinos know that people would likely not play as long if they had to play with cash only - so they generally don't let you.)
    The sons are trying to manipulate you emotionally. Don't let them "guilt" you into parting with YOUR games. Do yourself a big favor and re-read your original post - as if someone else was asking you for advice in the same situation. There. You are officially absolved of the sons' attempted emotional manipulation. Restore those games in honor of the father and never look back.

    Wow....very well said Thank you.

    #31 45 days ago

    Totally agree with others. Do what you want with YOUR games. If these people seem sincere, offer them for sale at the cost that will satisfy you. Or don't if you want to keep them. Have them make an offer you can't refuse.

    #32 45 days ago

    Sure, you can sell them back to them. But they will need to cover the price you paid and $500 worth of restoration costs. You can deliver for another $100.

    Do what you feel is best and you won't feel bad about it.

    #33 45 days ago

    Block their phone #s and add their email to the spam list. Don’t communicate back at all. Fuck them.

    #34 45 days ago

    I agree with too-many-pins give them a price and leave it that. Some kids there dads in last days and hes losing his home and there worried about a pinball thats been broke and unloved by them. If you do ever sell them donate to a veterans group.

    #35 45 days ago

    You should offer them back at a price to cover your time and any money you put in.Tomanypins has the right idea say you need 1500 ish to cover your time and expenses.If they come back at 1000 and its enough then take it.If they don't want to give you extra cash then his memories are not what they are after but they think the games are worth a lot more than you paid, and it's just about the money.If you want and they are willing to pay more you could (Out of conscience if you think they cant afford to pay you for your time)sell them back at cost but only after they agree to pay you more.When they Balk at paying you for your time I would then tell them your not going to sell them back and don't hide from them otherwise you will always wonder if it's them calling.If it gets bad then say something like "my lawyer said I bought them on good faith and if they keep harassing you then we can put a restraining order on them.That will take care of it.
    If you don't try to offer it back to them it will ruin the memories of the games and it will be a sore spot forever.but a wise person once told me in life the one thing you can never get back is "time" and if these people don't think your time is worth nothing then you need to return the favor with no regrets or looking back.

    #36 45 days ago

    I think you should offer them right of first refusal. Do what you are planning on doing, document the labor and costs. When you are ready to sell reach out to them and offer a fair price. Let them make the choice.

    IMO this sounds like a family fight where emotions are charged. Offer them an olive branch and by the time you are done their interest will have diminished.

    #37 45 days ago

    What did you pay for the games ?

    #38 45 days ago

    If you like the games and want to keep them, then they are yours and you should have no guilt or remorse, assuming the transaction was conducted fairly. I also like what was said above about offering FROR if and when you do ever decide to sell them.

    If you aren’t completely happy with them, offer them back at fair market value where you are at least compensated for what you have put into them including labor, parts, and travel.

    #39 45 days ago

    Curious: How did you find out that the sons had avoided the father for 20 years?
    Guessing the step daughter must have spilled all that? There may be another side to the story, especially if she was embittered.

    In any case, I'd suggest staying out of all those details with these folks and holding your ground in stating that you are honorably following what the father wished for and bringing the machines back to good operating condition.

    #40 45 days ago
    Quoted from MeNaCeFiRe:

    Block their number. It’s only going to be drama from this point on

    This!

    Stop the communication, you can only become an ahole in their world no matter what you do.

    #41 45 days ago

    Everyone telling you to keep communication open with these people has a screw loose. You don’t keep talking to idiots causing you grief. You really want to deal with these people if they actually buy the games back (they won’t) and have them complain later that something broke?

    C’mon guys, common sense please.

    #42 45 days ago

    There your games now.
    Block number, move on.
    Congrats on purchase.

    #43 45 days ago

    I agree, you do not need to sell them back. Should have known they wanted a keepsake in the first place. The thought crosses my mind that they have been watching American Pickers and think they can trade it in for a new Corvette.

    #44 45 days ago

    Sounds like you've already made up your mind.
    If everything you've said is true (not questioning YOU, but assuming the stepdaughter is truthful about the sons not being around the last 25 years) then you should feel no remorse or obligation to sell them back. Long-lost family members surface like mushrooms in shit when parents start passing away.

    My aunt was estranged from her husband for 20-some years. For whatever reason, they never actually divorced - he lived out his days with another woman, and she moved in with her sister. He passed away a few years ago. He had never changed his will, so his assets went to his legal wife, my aunt. We're talking roughly $80,000 - not life changing, but certainly considerable. Well, in his will, he asked that $10,000 go to his 2 daughters from his previous marriage. I didn't even know he HAD 2 daughters from a previous marriage. My aunt hadn't heard from either of these women in 2 decades, and all of a sudden she's getting these big, smiling phone calls almost daily, "Hi Auntie! How are you?? Have you settled the will yet? No? Ok, well let us know if you need anything! LOVE you, Auntie!"
    So, she did as her husband wished - she sent the money, along with a scathing letter about their disappearance 20 years ago and their bright, shiny, magical RE-appearance.

    She hasn't heard from them since.

    #45 45 days ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Long-lost family members surface like mushrooms in shit when parents start passing away.

    I work in a long term care facility and when inevitably someone passes away there will be at times a family member who will swoop in and clean out grandma's room before the body is even cold. Maybe 1 in 10 passing but sure as the sun rising in the morning it happens and anything of value will be gone.

    We do get instruction from their conservators the majority of the time to set things aside.. so families know who the losers are. Still, I have seen it happen minutes after someone passing.

    Disgusts me too this day some folks values are that far out of whack.

    "Hey grandma finally died, we got a new 37" TV"

    #46 44 days ago

    Don't think you ever said what you paid, but guessing you got a good deal. Good for you. When you decide to sell them, sell them for what they're worth..based on condition, shop work, etc. I'd be willing to bet the family wouldn't be interested in paying what they're worth. Enjoy your projects in good conscience!

    #47 44 days ago

    Interesting reading, but be careful. The problem you can have in this situation is there is 3 sides to this story. The right way, the wrong way, and the legal way. The legal way is usually the same as the wrong way, but you get screwed. I agree with everyone here, you bought them and they are yours. If the kids have your info and they take this step daughter to court and she doesn't have proper documents saying she had the rights to sell his items, depending on your states laws, how the judge feels on this subject, is the judge a friend of a friend of one of the kids, and so on, you could actually need to give the games back and not even get your money back. You will then need to file suit against the person you paid to recoup your losses.

    I seen a similar situation with an estate sale/auction. Just before the auction started a bailiff showed up with one of the deceased kids and put tags on everything he wanted. Ended up winning everything in court about a month later.

    #48 44 days ago
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    #49 44 days ago
    Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

    There your games now.
    Block number, move on.
    Congrats on purchase

    Always trust the Haiku.

    #50 44 days ago
    Quoted from freeplay3:

    een a similar situation with an estate sale/auction. Just before the auction started a bailiff showed up with one of the deceased kids and put tags on everything he wanted.

    Holy shit! Bailiff showed up with a real life zombie? Was this in New Orleans?

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