The fact he showed up unannounced is a big red flag that there is some tomfoolery going on. He wants the game + the money in the end. It's a done deal, he needs to move on with his life and stop acting like a f***ing manchild. If I was the buyer, he can sit around with the uncashed check for all I care.

I don't know. A passive-aggressive person might just assumed the OP would roll over once a couple moving guys knocked on his door. And just say "fuck it, I'll give him back his game". This guy definitely has issues. But for some reason I would be REALLY shocked if he was trying to scam the money too. I just think its classic seller's remorse.

Might be, but at the end of the day, this speaks volumes about this dude's personal ethics. I've had sellers' remorse on SO MANY GAMES, especially both STTNGs, both Trons, LOTR HUO, Metallica, yadda yadda. I didn't go begging for them back, or even tell the buyer that I had knots in my stomach that I was doing something stupid days before they even came and got the game. =|

It is a sweet game. I had never heard of it. I bet that one in SoCal sells fast based on this thread.

Exactly. There wouldn't be any trust left. No matter where things were left off in the communication chain, it's over at that point. I would send a communication back that we are done here and request no further communication and any such attempts would be ignored.

This has fast become my favorite thread since the (not so) NOS High Speed for sale thread..

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It's a certainly tough spot to be in when neither the buyer nor seller can trust each other. Each person is trying to look out for their own interests, and each person has no way to verify if what the other person is saying is truthful.

Sending movers to come and take it back is insane. The most understanding I can be is that the seller just thought the OP would accept giving it back, and sent the movers out before contacting him. But even that's insanely presumptuous and still really rude.

But yeah, the OP made a deal and fulfilled his end of the deal by mailing the check and has already received the game. The transaction has been completed, whether or not the check has been cashed. It's your choice whether to go back on the deal, and it doesn't sound like you want to, which is completely fair.

Honestly, at this point, what you're protecting against is making your life harder later, if he tries to file a small claims case against you. If he doesn't cash your check, document attempts to pay him again and make sure that all future checks are sent with tracking and delivery receipt, to build a paper trail that you're acting in best effort (otherwise this can turn into a he said, she said sort of thing). Collect documentation on selling your two other games now, just in case (for what the lawyer mentioned earlier). I wouldn't go as far as hiring a lawyer, but I would collect a stack of documents I could easily give to one right away if it reaches that point.

edit: NM, it looks like this was resolved in the few minutes I was writing this up.

Yupp, time to make a pitcher of margarita's and watch the shitshow!!

There ya go. Communication FTW once again. Glad it looks like it’ll work out without any more hassles.

Looks like he's on the mend now............

Damn, this made my whole work day go by faster. I hope someone pulls some crazy shit like this tomorrow too.

“Don’t stop payment, send me another check just in case and leave your door open for my movers!”

Congrats on your birthday score John!!

Return the game and buy this one for 2300 less?
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/125651

well, sounds like he's going to magically "find" the check when he realizes you're not going to give it back.
He got a good price for it, you definitely paid a fair amount considering the condition.

Wasn’t there a third party, a guy who is a friend of both the buyer and seller?

Sounds like it's over batter up!

The game was yours the moment it was dropped off, The End. Me personally, I would of drove and dropped cash off the day after delivery. The moment he said he wanted the game back I would of said "This doesn't work that way, Its now my game and its not for sale". No need to justify what you did or didn't do the obtain the funds to pay him and frankly this is none of his business in the first place. He should be thankful that you paid him for the game after dropping it off IMO.

I blame Amazon and Walmart. They make it to easy to return stuff and folks just get too used to it.. lol

Seriously? You have no self awareness.

This is really a confession that you never read the shit you constantly spew.

Yeah, I've caught myself a few times thinking, "Why isn't this tiny etsy shop seller just accepting a return?" or "Why are they making me pay for my own return shipping?" for an item I realized didn't actually want, only to realize that it was probably something custom, and even if it wasn't, they would lose more money in shipping than they would make.

The big boxes have set up unrealistic expectations I think that people have carried over to small businesses/person to person deals.

Reminds me of an management philosophy I learned a few years back when I was taking classes and mentoring.
“You have to retrain your customers and set their expectations”
People have been conditioned by unscrupulous big box stores that blow out local business and then raise prices when they are unchallenged.

As a business owner you need to teach your customers how to behave and what is expected of them. Steve at PBR is a fantastic example. He may be very strict, and some Nancy’s really get twisted over his style, but he has built an incredibly happy and loyal customer base that is the wet dream of most mega-corporations.

Maybe he saw this thread?

All I can suggest is you tell him he can come up to Pastime Pinball in Vermont and he can play Williams Official Baseball all day long. Beer tap is only a few feet away.

Here's a tip. Dial back the batting voltage on the rheostat located under the play field. Why? Too strong will clock someone on the infield and he goes to the hospital for ankle JB Weld surgery.

Now that's a great Pinside Tip.

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR HELPFUL TECH TIPS, HOW DARE YOU

This thread sure pulled me in, it reads like a suspense novel!

OP, I hope the ending is the good one I would have written for you.

It was George who said that and she was in a coma lol.

If he has your check I would be worried about him having your routing and account number. That would really worry me.

Doesn’t this go for every check ever written? There are loads of reasons to be a bit paranoid these days, but this seems to be a bit much. The vast majority of people in this world don’t respond to petty disputes like this by committing wire fraud. Just a tiny bit of vigilance is sufficient to protect you against the vast majority of banking fraud.

Legend

Twenty bucks says that check "magically appears*" tomorrow

(*he finally decides to cash it after sitting on it for days, and move on)

Well that's the ballgame folks!!!

The fact he states "don't stop payment on the check" is a huge flag the damn thing is in his hand.

Another pinside tip. I have an account I use only for writing checks (doesn’t get used often) but I only transfer enough money to cover the check, so the account is almost always at $1 so nothing to steal

It was Kramer that suggested George say it. Which he did.

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Transactions can be weird sometimes. Had a game for 2600. Buyer came out happy with the condition. Says hell take it for 2600. I agree. He puts 100.00 deposit down payment.He comes back with a trailer. Looks at game closer and asks if I would take 2k for the game instead.
I told him no. He still took the game at 2600.
That was a first time I had someone try to negotiate a lower price after leaving a deposit.

I hate that shit.

Rule 1 of negotiating: If you brought a trailer to the seller's location, you're NOT in a negotiation power position!

Also if you drove an hour or more to look at the game.

lol

Yep, I drove four hours to a guy's house one time to look at a game, saw some things that weren't disclosed and thought "what the f@#$ am I gonna do, drive four hours back home empty-handed?" If the problems had been major I guess I would have but I didn't even try to change the deal, maybe I should have but as you said, I have very little negotiating power at that point.

I have driven home empty handed a few times. It sucks but sometimes it's a principle thing.

Agree here. I haven't had to do it but am always prepared to leave with nothing.