Must learn to save money by not buying parts for games I don't currently own....heck this week alone I've bought three things for future games...lol.

Or maybe people should just do the right damn thing.

Actually, you had an offer and an acceptance, presumably confirmed in writing (email) and that constitutes a contract. You could have forced the sale. This would be much simpler with a local sale where you could do it in small claims court and really wouldn't need a lawyer. Out of state makes it a mess for jurisdiction and not worth the hassle. You did the smart thing in just letting it go, but you did have a legal cause of action.

Holy crap there are 3 wanted ads for Goldeneye in the Marketplace right now. Who knew?

is the seller going to comment at all?

The instant you make it known you are paying for shipping - there is no cancel.
That's too big a cost to swallow.

Horseshit - I'd have outed the worm seller to all.

Goldeneye with shipping and a cancelled listing in the past week...

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/46238

Does not take a genious to figure this one out.

Bet his feet wouldn't have got so cold if you'd have sent him some of these. Just sayin'

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Doesn't take a genius to spell it either.

I think this was the guy that posted on facebook about taking PAYPAL from someone in CA. Even said it was a Pinside member. As the thread went everyone told him not to take PP. So it might have come down to that.

Yup, out of Florida, That's the one.

Tall man strikes again.

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Terrible call on the seller's part. I'd rather eat a little bit of cash if I had a change of heart about my initial pricing and establish a good relationship with a quality collector here over burning a bridge on a deal I already agreed to and got paid on. The fact he's not hanging out the seller out to dry shows what a stand up guy buyer is.

Do you mind telling us how you mange this feat? I have something to sell. I send you pics of it. but I don't know if you have any money or if you are just BSing me or trying to "Hello, I'm Jim and I live in Nigeria" me.

You send money. I send product. No money. No dice.

I send you pics of the money. You like? You send me the machine, then I send you the money. No machine, no money. Find some other sucker.

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Glad someone caught that one

Because of pictures, I see we are are at an impasse.

Also claimed it didn't sell on pinside to avoid the fees. If this was the seller I think selling privileges should be revoked.

Technically it didn't sell. From what the guys post read. I really don't think he was trying to do a "dick" move. With my own personal experience with buying and selling I really won't go the paypal route with anything over $500. So before we all start breaking out the pitch forks and hangman noose let just chalk it up as a learning lesson. Or do we need another "My name is Keven G" thread?

hey bud, i think rick munson in campbell might have a golden eye sitting around in his shop, i could call him tomorrow (or pass along his number) if youd like.

I had a seller back out of a deal (LOTR) years ago. Not for money but because he really didn't want to sell it & his daughter loved the game.

It was a bummer but it's only pinball. He felt bad & hooked me up nicely on 2 other games (originally I was to buy 3). To this day I still think of him as an A1 dude for sure.

No money traded hands tho & he more than made up for the issue on the other 2 deals so my story is different. However I will say the older I get the less this kind of shit bothers me. Life is short, even shorter if you're fat & enjoy bacon like me.

Good luck in your pursuit

Np us northern cali guys gotta take care of each other or who will?

I shook hands with a guy to buy his afm here in aus. They're quite rare and seldom come up on auction sites even in routed condition.
I paid through the nose as I was desperate for that title. An hour later he rings me saying he can't sell it and it's "not about the money".

You could look on the bright side.

Yes the machine is legally yours.
In theory you could sue the seller for damages for not delivering the machine. Completely unacceptable!

If it was a PayPal issue, I would of provided my service of bringing cash, inspecting machine and ensuring everything was there and then the buyer could have just had it shipped from me. My only fee is a week of having it in my arcade of none to play, play, play...lol

I only do paypal for deposits. No chance having sale canceled after the game leaves.

There's no way I'd ship something before getting paid. Especially something as big, fragile and expensive as a pinball machine.

Only payment I will take to ship a game is bank wire transfer. PayPal anything is not safe, gifts can be reversed if it's tied to a credit card. PayPal gift really only helps avoid fees.

Exactly. Paypal puts all the control in the hands of the purchaser and if anything goes wrong on a 20 year old machine with a thousand moving parts you're at the mercy of a stranger you never met face to face. Cash = king.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-not-get-ripped-off-in-pinball-vids-guide

We ALL know the pitfalls of Paypal and that's fine. Still does not excuse one for accepting Paypal, especially the family route(to avoid fees), and then turn around and refund the sale because he took advice from FACEBOOK!

There is no defense here for the seller, period. It was a shitty move all around. By the way, he ended the sale on Pinside as no sale way before he cancelled/refunded the sale through paypal. So either he knew he was going to void the sale all along OR was trying to avoid fees all around.

Seller played dirty pool.

I'm not saying I would go this route (if I was the buyer), but I once had a classic motorcycle for sale and CL that needed to be restored I knew what I had and what it was worth. Of course I got all of the BS emails and text's but I got an actual call from a guy in CA that wanted the bike he also knew what it was and what it was worth. We talked a lot about the bike its history and so on. Then came what I thought was the scam, so I will Fed Ex you a check. Sorry no checks, then went into is there a Wells Fargo by you, nope. So I said if you are real wire me the money were I can pick it up cash I'm real. So he did it cost him some extra money and he told me that. I also had told him he could send his driver with money when he picked it up as an option and he actually looked at doing that to as he said he had done that before as well. So I stuck to my cash and carry advertisement and it worked. But in this case there was a lot of talking over the phone as we both wanted to make sure we weren't getting scammed at the end we were both happy as we even talked after he got the bike.

I don't think you can use a credit card for gifts, only a bank transfer. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

If the issue was payment or payment type the seller should have been up front with you and worked it out. At the end of the day it sucks he wasn't/didn't

I'm sure you would have. I'm not into "non-refundable" deposits either, and never request such a thing when selling a game.

Not really. Under contract law, there has to be adequate consideration exchanged by the parties. Here, money was exchanged, but no game at the time. What constitutes consideration can vary, but one party cannot benefit from a transaction without the other getting something in exchange.

Back in law school, I remember reading a case where a grandmother told her grandson she would give him $10k if he quit smoking. He quit, and she didn't pay. He actually sued the poor woman, and the Court held that she promised money (her contractual consideration), and that his consideration was the act of giving up something and "performing a task" in exchange for the promised monetary compensation. He won in Court and she had to pay him. Oral contracts are actually enforceable in some states. But as Levi said, if you are going that distance, you'll end up overpaying due to fees, costs, etc.

Possession of a tangible item is actually 9/10's of the law, so even though something is paid for, does not mean that legally it is yours until you've taken possession of the item. Ask Bernie Madoff's clients. They never actually possessed what he promised them they paid for, and got screwed beyond belief.

I think people who are suggesting a legal remedy are over stepping
Jean Luc had a deal that soured, that sucks. He posted on Pinside to vent, thats OK

That it is still being discused 24 hours later is a waste of time

I don't think anybody suggested a legal remedy. A question about legality was asked and answered by a few people.

And I don't know about anybody else, but after reading all of this I kind of want a Goldeneye now.

In which case, there may also be a remedy under equity for unjust enrichment.

A lot of people make the quite reasonable assumption that there needs to be money changing hands in order for there to be a valid contract, but as you rightly pointed out consideration is a necessary but not sufficient element in terms of contract formation. There mere fact of doing a relevant act or forbearance in return for the potential exchange of goods can of itself constitute legal consideration and lead to both contract formation and subsequent breach.

The thread was a good discussion as it stands particularly the legal rights and remedies available, and I am glad to hear it has all worked out for the parties involved plus as mentioned before there are plenty of other machines out there so best not to sweat the small stuff.

Sounds like the whole ordeal left you shaken, but not stirred.

Isn't it implied that a gentleman pays for a Goldeneye only with Moneypenny?

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Maybe you could have double-0-sevened-down on the deal and offered more money? Or tried paying in stocks and bonds instead?

Sorry.. those are pretty bad lol, lame situation for sure, always exciting when a deal is about to happen, sucks to be let down. If local I always take off from work if possible to seal the deal asap as you just never know until you are driving away with the game in the car.