Hello,
Seeking the services of a fellow pinsider to rivet the IJ Lite Jackpot plastic. Not sure if there's anyone providing this kind of service but willing to pay to have this plastic riveted. Let me know, Thanks!
Texas but nobody close to me. I would have to mail it out. Not a lot of people have the riveting press needed tho. Thanks
Quoted from beelzeboob:Rivet gun won't do it. Not factory rivets. I could do it if you ship it to me.
Thanks! Sending PM!
Quoted from SteveinTexas:I'm in Sugar Land
I visit Houston quite often. Got family there
One option is to use a hammer and Pinbits' "Pressless riveting kit".
https://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=72&zenid=90cd40ae8fd998a2d97676345ad85770
Quoted from Nepi23:One option is to use a hammer and Pinbits' "Pressless riveting kit".
https://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=72&zenid=90cd40ae8fd998a2d97676345ad85770
I tried this once and it made me suicidal. It also made me just want to cough up the money to get Pinrestore's riveting press and do my riveting the proper way rather than trying to save a buck.
I'll rivet the guy's plastic. It's the least I can do for a community that has always helped me.
Quoted from beelzeboob:I tried this once and it made me suicidal. It also made me just want to cough up the money to get Pinrestore's riveting press and do my riveting the proper way rather than trying to save a buck.
I'll rivet the guy's plastic. It's the least I can do for a community that has always helped me.
Good on you B!
You Can make your own tool for under $20 and by some rivets from Hanson Rivets in California. Gonna cost you about $40 in the long run but at least you'll be able to do them on all your games.
You need 4 things
1) C-clamp (find one that is light weight but with a wide gap. (so you can get to rivets within wide reach places)
2) kwikweld (to solder the die and clamp together)
3) Tubular Rivets (http://www.hansonrivet.com/rivets/tubular-rivets/)
4) Squeezer Dies (this is what you weld to the C clamp) (http://www.hansonrivet.com/tools-machines/riveting-accessories/riveting-squeezer-dies-2/)
The only thing left to do is squeeze the damn thing into place. Works like a charm.
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Quoted from flashinstinct:You Can make your own tool for under $20 and by some rivets from Hanson Rivets in California. Gonna cost you about $40 in the long run but at least you'll be able to do them on all your games.
You need 4 things
1) C-clamp (find one that is light weight but with a wide gap. (so you can get to rivets within wide reach places)
2) kwikweld (to solder the die and clamp together)
3) Tubular Rivets (http://www.hansonrivet.com/rivets/tubular-rivets/)
4) Squeezer Dies (this is what you weld to the C clamp) (http://www.hansonrivet.com/tools-machines/riveting-accessories/riveting-squeezer-dies-2/)
The only thing left to do is squeeze the damn thing into place. Works like a charm.
Nice idea! I'll look into this or just buying the rivet press in the future. IJ is my first complete restore, so I'm pretty much learning things as I go. IJ Plastic is being sent to Mr. Beelzeboob today. I really appreciate all the advise and help provided by all. This is what makes this community so great
flashinstinct GREAT post! Are there any "standard" sizes that we should order (in terms of squeezer dies) if we want to make several of these and have them on hand?
The number of sizes on the menu is high, so wondering if your experience indicates that pinball applications only require X number of sizes to cover 90% of our jobs...
Thanks!
Quoted from Djshakes:If you ship it to me I could do it also. I have the rivets and tool.
Thanks for the offer! That's very nice of you.
Quoted from KornFreak28:I visit Houston quite often. Got family there
Hi,
I was offering the press and rivets I have to help. Do not know where you are in Texas, guess not close by. As Boob has offered his press all is good.
Note; some of the ideas sound interesting except for the hammer idea and conventional rivets. The press squeezes the rivet so the forces are applied to the rivet and deforming the open end as intended and is as gentle as possible to the plastic. I do use use a rivet tool and tool for for non plastic metal to metal applications but mostly the press is the better alternative.
Quoted from xeneize:flashinstinct GREAT post! Are there any "standard" sizes that we should order (in terms of squeezer dies) if we want to make several of these and have them on hand?
The number of sizes on the menu is high, so wondering if your experience indicates that pinball applications only require X number of sizes to cover 90% of our jobs...
Thanks!
There are standard sizes for the rivet heads but found it useful to get different lengths. The body of the rivet is 1/8" the head If the rivet is in a prominent place I used a more polished aluminium rivet. I'm not holding the bags in front of me right now but if you call them they can tell you the lengths and shape of the heads for these.
My last order from Hansen was this
C1-7-ST 5056 ALUMINUM RIVET
MS20450-C8-AD8 ALUMINUM RIVET
MS16535-156
MS20450-C8-AD10 ALUMINUM RIVET
MS16535-158
MS20450-C8-16 STEEL RIVET
MS16535-124
ABUP-4 ALUMINUM BACK-UP WASHER
Quoted from wdennie:Why not just eliminate the rivets and use #8 screws and nylock nuts, never have to worry again.
Most places just don't have the space and the shaped hole in the plastic prevents the screw from being flush to the surface.
Quoted from SteveinTexas:Hi,
I was offering the press and rivets I have to help. Do not know where you are in Texas, guess not close by. As Boob has offered his press all is good.
Note; some of the ideas sound interesting except for the hammer idea and conventional rivets. The press squeezes the rivet so the forces are applied to the rivet and deforming the open end as intended and is as gentle as possible to the plastic. I do use use a rivet tool and tool for for non plastic metal to metal applications but mostly the press is the better alternative.
Hi!
Thanks for the offer! I will try what flash suggested and other methods with the old IJ plastic to see what works best.
Flash: Thanks for all the info on rivet sizes!
Quoted from KornFreak28:Hi!
Thanks for the offer! I will try what flash suggested and other methods with the old IJ plastic to see what works best.
Flash: Thanks for all the info on rivet sizes!
All good but Hanson I believe need a min order of 100 rivets per size. PBR has all the rivet sizes we need and sells by the unit. For the length measure the thickness of the plastic and the metal frame add a 1/16" max and you got the length. For the diameter it is either 1/8" or 3/32". Drill out the old rivets and see which diameter it is. Lastly use the copper color rivets the same as what your picture indicates.
Anyway as Boob is going to do it this message is really for him if he is drinking.
Quoted from SteveinTexas:All good but Hanson I believe need a min order of 100 rivets per size. PBR has all the rivet sizes we need and sells by the unit. For the length measure the thickness of the plastic and the metal frame add a 1/16" max and you got the length. For the diameter it is either 1/8" or 3/32". Drill out the old rivets and see which diameter it is. Lastly use the copper color rivets the same as what your picture indicates.
Anyway as Boob is going to do it this message is really for him if he is drinking.
I don't drink; I'm naturally stupid enough.
I have the whole assortment pack of rivet sizes from Pinrestore. All is good...
Quoted from wdennie:Why not just eliminate the rivets and use #8 screws and nylock nuts, never have to worry again.
I think I have used #4 screws and locknuts in place of rivets and they look great and hold fine.
I doubt I would do it on a ramp flap, but a general plastic mount should be no problem.
Quoted from wdennie:Why not just eliminate the rivets and use #8 screws and nylock nuts, never have to worry again.
I rather go for the factory look. This plastic is very visible.
Quoted from DCFAN:I think I have used #4 screws and locknuts in place of rivets and they look great and hold fine.
same here and if you have need to access or replace the part it's attached to it's easy.
This is what I use for ramp flaps:
Quoted from flashinstinct:You Can make your own tool for under $20 and by some rivets from Hanson Rivets in California. Gonna cost you about $40 in the long run but at least you'll be able to do them on all your games.
You need 4 things
1) C-clamp (find one that is light weight but with a wide gap. (so you can get to rivets within wide reach places)
2) kwikweld (to solder the die and clamp together)
3) Tubular Rivets (http://www.hansonrivet.com/rivets/tubular-rivets/)
4) Squeezer Dies (this is what you weld to the C clamp) (http://www.hansonrivet.com/tools-machines/riveting-accessories/riveting-squeezer-dies-2/)
The only thing left to do is squeeze the damn thing into place. Works like a charm.
It looks like a Hanson CA2004-03 would work for Oval/Truss head 1/8. Do you order two of these to put on the C clamp? One end for the head and the other for the tail?
They are two different pieces. One is hallow to accepted the dome shape of the rivet and the other has a hallow end with a point in the middle to the the shaft of the rivet on itself
Im in Houston Texas. If you want to get it to me Ill do it for you. I have a press and rivets. I wont even charge you to do it.
Quoted from flashinstinct:They are two different pieces. One is hallow to accepted the dome shape of the rivet and the other has a hallow end with a point in the middle to the the shaft of the rivet on itself
It looks like the CA2004-03 is the piece needed for the tail then? What part number do I need to order for the head?
Quoted from beelzeboob:I tried this once and it made me suicidal. It also made me just want to cough up the money to get Pinrestore's riveting press and do my riveting the proper way rather than trying to save a buck.
I'll rivet the guy's plastic. It's the least I can do for a community that has always helped me.
Same here
Quoted from Damonator:It looks like the CA2004-03 is the piece needed for the tail then? What part number do I need to order for the head?
I ordered a long time ago canr remember but the folks at hanson can help you out
Quoted from zr11990:Im in Houston Texas. If you want to get it to me Ill do it for you. I have a press and rivets. I wont even charge you to do it.
Thanks man! I really appreciate that!
Quoted from KornFreak28:Thanks man! I really appreciate that!
If you need an addy to send it let me know.
Quoted from zr11990:If you need an addy to send it let me know.
Thank you sir! Mr. B was nice enough to offer his help and he is taking care of it for me. The plastic shipped today but now I know you are in Houston. I visit Houston several times a year. Thanks!
Quoted from zr11990:Everyone likes the Boob more than me. Glad you got it done.
Lol. Thanks! Btw, how was your Vegas trip? My Vegas trip is fast approaching.
It was fun. I don't really gamble that much because I always lose and I'm a cheapskate. The shows are awesome and there are so many. Lots of comedians and bands. Hell The Who was there last night or tonight. The Circus du Solei O was just amazing. There are some great places to eat but they are not cheap. Well some are but most will cost you a Benjamin each especially if you drink. You will enjoy it. Watch out for the TSA
Quoted from zr11990:It was fun. I don't really gamble that much because I always lose and I'm a cheapskate. The shows are awesome and there are so many. Lots of comedians and bands. Hell The Who was there last night or tonight. The Circus du Solei O was just amazing. There are some great places to eat but they are not cheap. Well some are but most will cost you a Benjamin each especially if you drink. You will enjoy it. Watch out for the TSA
Lol! I will keep that in mind! Thanks!
Quoted from zr11990:Everyone likes the Boob more than me. Glad you got it done.
Not my wife.
OP, I'm glad you're taken care of.
Folks wondering about rivet tools:
If you know a gunsmith locally, borrow (or ask them to do it) their AR swivel staking tool.
I bought one years ago for about $20 and it works great for these.
Quoted from Majdi:OP, I'm glad you're taken care of.
Folks wondering about rivet tools:
If you know a gunsmith locally, borrow (or ask them to do it) their AR swivel staking tool.
I bought one years ago for about $20 and it works great for these.
Thanks!
Quoted from zr11990:Everyone likes the Boob more than me. Glad you got it done.
Yeah, but to be fair, who doesn't like boobs?
flashinstinct I think your C clamp idea looks awesome, but I don't understand how you mounted the dies. Every one of the squeezer dies I've seen has little nub on the end that seems to fit into some kind of rivet tool (no idea what that is). In your picture, it actually looks like you flush mounted the one on the bottom? Did you drill a hole in the clamp?
Quoted from Aniraf:flashinstinct I think your C clamp idea looks awesome, but I don't understand how you mounted the dies. Every one of the squeezer dies I've seen has little nub on the end that seems to fit into some kind of rivet tool (no idea what that is). In your picture, it actually looks like you flush mounted the one on the bottom? Did you drill a hole in the clamp?
Metal saw, a vice and a bench grinder are your friend. After i cut the pieces flush i put a rivet between the dies and squeeze the clamp slightly to make sure both pieces were aligned. Then i added the kwikweld to the base and the top. Let them dry for a full day....no problems since then. Someone sells these things online somewhere but i just made my own.
Quoted from flashinstinct:Metal saw, a vice and a bench grinder are your friend. After i cut the pieces flush i put a rivet between the dies and squeeze the clamp slightly to make sure both pieces were aligned. Then i added the kwikweld to the base and the top. Let them dry for a full day....no problems since then. Someone sells these things online somewhere but i just made my own.
The thing I don't understand is why someone doesn't sell a friggen tool that is exactly this, but allows you to change the die. This is insanely stupid!
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