Hey, 1n4004 diodes cost money! They saved at least 1¢ by not putting them on, and probably 10¢ in labor costs.
(Topic ID: 298861)
Linked Games
Centaur
Bally, 1981-
Fathom
Bally, 1981
-
Flash Gordon
Bally, 1981
-
Nitro Ground Shaker
Bally, 1980
-
Quicksilver
Stern Electronics, 1980
-
Seawitch
Stern Electronics, 1980
-
Silverball Mania
Bally, 1980
-
Skateball
Bally, 1980
There are more than 8 games linked to this topic.
Click here to show all linked games
Click here to show all linked games
Topic Gallery
Quoted from slochar:Hey, 1n4004 diodes cost money! They saved at least 1¢ by not putting them on, and probably 10¢ in labor costs.
It’s weird because some I’ve bought from them have them and some don’t.
...and they're not consistent as to which terminal the bands go to.... I double check before I solder but even so I make mistakes sometimes. I haven't bought a new coil in years though as I usually have enough in my used stash.
Work is tight in spots!
Dick move on Sterns part, they start recycling color codes! Upper spinner lamp and stand up lamp both yellow/green!
Can someone confirm double loop value (2× loop value on playfield) are hooked to each other, blue/white to A5J1-23? Thanks!
Wichita, KS
Quoted from gdonovan:Work is tight in spots!
Dick move on Sterns part, they start recycling color codes! Upper spinner lamp and stand up lamp both yellow/green!
Can someone confirm double loop value (2× loop value on playfield) are hooked to each other, blue/white to A5J1-23? Thanks!
[quoted image][quoted image]
I can confirm I have a blu-W wire crossing between of the double loop value arrows. And this Blu-W wire travels to LDA J1-23.
Per print, Spinner lamp is YEL-G and travels to LDA J3-2
Per print, Left SU target is Y-G or Yel-G and travels to LDA J1-7
Quoted from cottonm4:I can confirm I have a blu-W wire crossing between of the double loop value arrows. And this Blu-W wire travels to LDA J1-23.
Per print, Spinner lamp is YEL-G and travels to LDA J3-2
Per print, Left SU target is Y-G or Yel-G and travels to LDA J1-7
Thank you sir!
Quoted from gdonovan:A few people have mentioned using this product for filling inserts, thought I'd give it a try.
[quoted image][quoted image]
Interesting. Keep us posted on how this stuff works. Is this something that could brushed on insert flameouts to prevent further wear?
Quoted from cottonm4:Interesting. Keep us posted on how this stuff works. Is this something that could brushed on insert flameouts to prevent further wear?
On that I don't know, I do know one or two people have done or tried doing complete playfields with the stuff. I'm more interested in just filling divots and insert edges. Manufacture states can be sanded in 24 hours and can be covered by auto clear or put over auto clear. I have no problem drawing some from a quart and using a dropper to fill. Very easy and controllable, more than Spraymax 2K is when doing fills.
Quoted from gdonovan:A few people have mentioned using this product for filling inserts, thought I'd give it a try.
[quoted image][quoted image]
I just did a meteor with it and if I hadn’t fucked up the sanding of it it would have turned out really nice.
Quoted from Tsskinne:and if I hadn’t fucked up the sanding of i
How did you do that? What did you do wrong?
Quoted from cottonm4:How did you do that? What did you do wrong?
Power sander just too long in one spot melted a bit of the clear. Rookie mistakes. Overall though happy with the product.
I'm at work today for the hurricane so the work station and printer goes brrrrr.
Here you go, half assed cover for Seawitch manual.
Just used MS paint or whatever is on this workstation, maybe I'll do something nicer when I'm home and have access to Photoshop.
Quoted from gdonovan:I'm at work today for the hurricane so the work station and printer goes brrrrr.
Here you go, half assed cover for Seawitch manual.
Just used MS paint or whatever is on this workstation, maybe I'll do something nicer when I'm home and have access to Photoshop.
[quoted image]
[quoted image]
I think I have an extra original Seawitch manual if you are interested. They used to show up on Ebay but I think they are getting harder to find now.
I have ordered reprints of many of the classic Stern manuals, and in some cases, find them blurry and hard to read.
Quoted from cottonm4:I think I have an extra original Seawitch manual if you are interested. They used to show up on Ebay but I think they are getting harder to find now.
I have ordered reprints of many of the classic Stern manuals, and in some cases, find them blurry and hard to read.
Appreciate the offer but the downloadable copy works fine for me! I was just dinking around while at work. Quiet while the storm rolls in.
Quoted from gdonovan:A few people have mentioned using this product for filling inserts, thought I'd give it a try.
[quoted image][quoted image]
As of this morning this had set nicely, still not fully cured yet. I could fingerprint the surface with ease and it would
"fade out" in a minute or two. See what it is like tonight. Did not note any shrinking.
On my list of many classic stern related things to do is to retypeset all the manuals and add color photos on the front as well. (And all related paperwork, for the modified roms)
I'm about 30% done with flight 2000 and its modified ruleset paperwork. I need to retake the front picture with the better cameras of today as when I did it way back when it's just not clear enough.
The goal of that project is to get the manuals 100% corrected.
As for seawitch I've never felt the need to do anything at all to the software as I think it's just about perfect the way it plays now. MAYBE add an option to carry over the spinner lamps? One of the best early solid state rulesets... simple of course and not deep, but really fun nonetheless. (I pretty much ignore the spinner and go for the complete 2/3 or 3/4 drops after one drop to get the bonus ladder collect)
Update on the Diamond clear: Still pretty soft, so much so I used a razor blade to dig an imperfection out of one of the inserts with ease and refilled with new product. Would recommend letting what you are filling to set at least a few days, the manufactures statement of 24 hours might be optimistic under best conditions.
For reference, the lamp wiring from the back edge of the playfield to lamp board connector is 64 inches. I came up with this number to work with after measuring the Mr. and Mrs. Pac-man harness that will be used in Flash Gordon and after test fitting in cabinet looks good. You might be able to go a little bit shorter but might be pushing your luck when standing the playfield upright.
The last of the parts I need will be on the way!
IMG_5302 (resized).jpgShout out to board member 
Brian3120 whom I have purchased several parts from, great service!
Checked the clear I dipped into an insert a day and half ago, seems to solidified nicely. I don't think it is 100% yet but thats fine as I don't plan to sand it flat till I'm done with the bulk of the playfield wiring.
Quoted from gdonovan:Update on the Diamond clear: Still pretty soft, so much so I used a razor blade to dig an imperfection out of one of the inserts with ease and refilled with new product. Would recommend letting what you are filling to set at least a few days, the manufactures statement of 24 hours might be optimistic under best conditions.
For reference, the lamp wiring from the back edge of the playfield to lamp board connector is 64 inches. I came up with this number to work with after measuring the Mr. and Mrs. Pac-man harness that will be used in Flash Gordon and after test fitting in cabinet looks good. You might be able to go a little bit shorter but might be pushing your luck when standing the playfield upright.
The last of the parts I need will be on the way!
[quoted image]
Is that Bally or Stern lockbar and receiver?
I'm really hating Stern right now.
Not only do the wiring diagram have stuff missing but no 2 machine agree on color codes!
Quoted from gdonovan:I'm really hating Stern right now.
Not only do the wiring diagram have stuff missing but no 2 machine agree on color codes!
Stuff missing ? Wait until you look at a Catacomb print.
What road blocks are you running into ?
Oh, are talking about how the inlane/outlanes on Big Game have different colors of wires than Seawitch does on its inlanes/ outlanes? That kind of stuff?
Quoted from cottonm4:Stuff missing ? Wait until you look at a Catacomb print.
What road blocks are you running into ?
Oh, are talking about how the inlane/outlanes on Big Game have different colors of wires than Seawitch does on its inlanes/ outlanes? That kind of stuff?
Colors in print not matching bits on playfield sockets and sometimes not matching pinwiki either.
I'm working through it. Have the four spinner lamps and 3 lamps for center drops and I can start pinning connector.
Flipping blue with white tracer used three times! Must have been on sale.
It pleases me greatly to see this playfield going to good use. I think you bought this from me about 2 minutes after I bought it on a pre-arranged deal when it wouldn't fit in my van. It looks much better coming to life than it would on my wall. Congrats, my apologies to your wife, and good luck!
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:It pleases me greatly to see this playfield going to good use. I think you bought this from me about 2 minutes after I bought it on a pre-arranged deal when it wouldn't fit in my van.
You are correct sir
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:It pleases me greatly to see this playfield going to good use. I think you bought this from me about 2 minutes after I bought it on a pre-arranged deal when it wouldn't fit in my van. It looks much better coming to life than it would on my wall. Congrats, my apologies to your wife, and good luck!
That was you? I would have chatted longer, though we were already pressed for time.
My wife is a trooper and most of the work is getting done when she is either at work or sleeping. I'm a VERY early riser and will amble off to the workshop while she is still out cold. This morning I started separating lamp runs into connectors J1/J2/J3 so I can start stripping and crimping. That when I had the idea it would be so nice to have a lamp chart and started banging away on that.
Quoted from gdonovan:If someone could be so kind to eyeball this to see if there is any errors so far, I'll work on it again at break time.
Runaway Special is the only one I'm unsure about.
Gary
[quoted image]
Runway Special is a yellow wire in my Seawitch play field. I have not traced the wire to its connecting pin.
Quoted from cottonm4:Runway Special is a yellow wire in my Seawitch play field. I have not traced the wire to its connecting pin.
Is that particular insert Runway Special?
Quoted from cottonm4:It just says Special on my play field, but it is the Runway Special. Sitting behind that upper right hand flipper.
Thank you! Think I'm starting to get the hang of the MS paint tool.
LAMP CHART_V4 (resized).jpgQuoted from gdonovan:Thank you! Think I'm starting to get the hang of the MS paint tool.
[quoted image]
You are doing nice work here, but I would like art make a suggestion. By the time you get every insert marked out on that drawing it risks being a clogged up mess.
Some of the inserts are easy to figure out what is being talked about in the print.
Example:
Up top, do Blue Light left side and Blue Light right side. The remainder can be figured out.
The "Blue Roll-Over lite switch is confusing and needs hi lighted.
Do Bonus 1000 and Bonus 9000. The rest can be figured out.
I'm confused about "Game Over". This must be for the Game Over on the back box. I do not see any Game Over on the play field.
It is just a suggestion to keep your work from getting too clogged up and hard to head. IMO.
Quoted from cottonm4:By the time you get every insert market out on that drawing it risks being a clogged up mess.
I'm already working on reducing clutter on the print, work in progress!
Quoted from cottonm4:I'm confused about "Game Over". This must be for the Game Over on the back box.
Yes there is several items for the backbox noted, which I'll expand on when I'm done going over the playfield.
Version 5
LAMP CHART_V5 (resized).jpgI know you're using MSpaint but consider getting GIMP and putting the info on layers that way you can custom create final pics with different types of information on it.
Quoted from slochar:I know you're using MSpaint but consider getting GIMP and putting the info on layers that way you can custom create final pics with different types of information on it.
I'm just goofing off at work.
Thought I'd make this up for a reference to double check my work tonight and share.
Quoted from gdonovan:I'm already working on reducing clutter on the print, work in progress!
Yes there is several items for the backbox noted, which I'll expand on when I'm done going over the playfield.
Version 5
[quoted image]
Just as Stern used more then one line drawing for play field hardware, E.G. Stern uses one pic to show where the switches are at and another pic to show where the solenoids/coils are located, you might want to consider having a couple of drawings to show the inserts wire colors.
Are the ball trough pieces from a Stern? Obviously a Bally coil but looks more like Stern parts. If those playfield hangers are from a Stern, they won't fit with a Bally receiver.
Quoted from gdonovan:I'm a VERY early riser and will amble off to the workshop while she is still out cold. This morning I started separating lamp runs into connectors J1/J2/J3 so I can start stripping and crimping.
Me too. Often I find myself getting up & going out to the garage @ 2am to work on a project..... No one up except the cat to pester me.
Well I got one connector done. Time consuming as I am toning every single wire before it is crimped after verifying color code and location.
All three of the lamp control lines are going to be individually bundled. When the connectors are completed the three will be bundled together. Just easier to diag in the future should some problem arise. Just cut the main tie wraps holding them together and *poof* you have three seperate bundles again.
Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
Toronto, ON
Reply
Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.
Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!
Donate to PinsideGreat to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!
