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Screaming deal on KISS LE at pinballz arcade


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#51 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Ok, so YOU won't be buying from them, it's a free market.
What do you care of their clientele that does?
It's been made clear in this thread the games are not "priced to sell" but the opposite, "priced to stay". That is their business model. And if the occasional customer walks in and wants that game sitting there, they can have at it.

I don't care, but it is fun to discuss.

#52 4 years ago
Quoted from joemamma:

I was there yesterday. Nice selection of pins from every era. If I was to make a suggestion make the games all either card swipe or coin or both. I bought a card then realized it wasn't needed for the games I wanted to play. I would also say most of the games needed a little TLC.

You went to the second location. It's not the same. I've heard getting techs 45 minutes south was much harder and they're still working on it.

#53 4 years ago
Quoted from joemamma:

I was there yesterday. Nice selection of pins from every era. If I was to make a suggestion make the games all either card swipe or coin or both. I bought a card then realized it wasn't needed for the games I wanted to play. I would also say most of the games needed a little TLC. Not that they were unplayable, just stuff like flippers being weak, balls worn and could use replaced, wipe down playfield etc. I know the place has a good local following, maybe they would hire some local pinheads part time to maintain them. I know Billy and I spoke about me doing this but it's just to far from home at this time.
One last suggestion... The lighting made it hard to see the playfield on a few of the games I played. Not sure what the answer is to that but there has to be a lighting that isn't to bright, dim or to much of a focused spot.
All in all it is a great place to visit, wish it was closer to New Braunfels so I could visit more often!
Thanks for having such a great place to visit!!!!!!
Chris Kruger
PS: what happened to my wozecle? Sold or moved?

My biggest complaint about Pinballz is that they WON'T, not can't, but WON'T hire a decent maintenence guy; or at least someone to oversee the rest of the guys they let under the glass. I understand the huge mark-up on selling games, I get the rise in cost per game, I understand the business model; but I can't understand their RESISTANCE to hiring qualified, skilled people to maintain and fix their machines. Pinballz Kingdom in Buda suffers even more so from this lack of foresight. I've heard they're looking into starting location number three, in the Austin area again mind you, which is a terrible idea. I loved Pinballz when it first opened, but it has slowly been on a downward spiral in the last 2-3 years. They can't maintain the machines they have and are expanding even more in the crowded market of Austin, TX.

#54 4 years ago

Whining about someone's sticker price is pretty silly. Just bc it says $6495 doesn't mean people pay $6495. And if someone does, hey good for the retailer. Helps support dealing with the rest of us cheapskates.

#55 4 years ago
Quoted from no-extra-balls:

No, I like money too much to throw away thousands on a car that will depriciate the moment I drive it home. Always buy a car 2 years old, and why pay for a warranty if I can just fix it myself?

can't argue with that. Everyone knows that the biggest waste of money you can buy is either a new car or jewelery from a jewelery store. The only ones that make money are the ones that sell them new. Collector plates seem to fall into that category as well. Since none of them ever seem to go up in value and only one that makes money is the companies that release them. Rare cases a collector plate is actually worth something, but it's rare.

#56 4 years ago
Quoted from Davidus56:

How about stfu. You obviously don't have a clue what it takes to run a business. Not arrogance, good business sense.

Apparently I do know more than you.Nice language from a Doctor by the way.Maybe you would benefit the community more by playing more backgammon and not commenting on business models that you don't participate in. And the amount of Butt Kissing in this thread among the groupies is so typical. So very sad......

#57 4 years ago
Quoted from Marty_Graw77:

My biggest complaint about Pinballz is that they WON'T, not can't, but WON'T hire a decent maintenence guy; or at least someone to oversee the rest of the guys they let under the glass. I understand the huge mark-up on selling games, I get the rise in cost per game, I understand the business model; but I can't understand their RESISTANCE to hiring qualified, skilled people to maintain and fix their machines. Pinballz Kingdom in Buda suffers even more so from this lack of foresight. I've heard they're looking into starting location number three, in the Austin area again mind you, which is a terrible idea. I loved Pinballz when it first opened, but it has slowly been on a downward spiral in the last 2-3 years. They can't maintain the machines they have and are expanding even more in the crowded market of Austin, TX.

OK, so I am going to pay this company a 2K premium on a Stern Pro and they can't even maintain their own games?

#58 4 years ago

Don't think I'd pay that much for a Kiss LE either.

#59 4 years ago

The games are nice for routed opperations. They are busy all the time too which makes it hard to work on things. Never going to be like playing in someone's personal arcade but it's much better than the games you normally see on route. Pinball kingdom is more for redemption and I'd pass on that for pinhead due to their poorer quality (again this location is more redemption minded).

Thing about the pricing is the games do sell from time to time. Bad for whom bought it, money wise for them, but great for us. Sell 2 games for over market pricing and they can now get a NIB

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#60 4 years ago

Thanks for all the comments good and bad about Pinballz. All feedback is valuable. Did want to make a couple clarifications (which I am sure will be disputed):
Game Pricing – thread responses say it all – buying from a brick and mortar with support costs more than buying over eBay/Amazon and supporting it yourself. And try finding a good pinball tech to repair your pinball in Austin (or most cities for that matter) and at a fair price… most home users value support and will pay more for it. The Pro price of $6495 is not $2000 overpriced, but it is $1000 over the lowest price on eBay. IF the customer wants to pay that price it’s a full customer service sale, and of course Pinside is not our target buyer. Almost everyone knows and buys off eBay now, so if they want it cheaper that way they can always go there and buy it. And one post was correct – there are issues with any fresh NIB pin… Plus selling games helps us continually turn over inventory and offer new and rare pins – good for our customers!
Pin availability – our objective is 95% availability measured daily (no more than 7 pins down at both locations). We averaged 96.5% overall this year, lower on Sunday after a busy weekend, higher during the week. Any game with a serious problem like a bum flipper or non-make multiball goes out of operation until fixed. Sure there will be some minor issues here and there we won’t catch until we do our monthly game checks (unless a customer tells us – please do if you find one). We are proud of our game quality, and believe the 95% should be the standard of any arcade, and we have over 250 games in ours.
Techs – We employ a ton of techs but we always could use more. We are constantly hiring. Now we’ve also hired and let go of many unqualified techs (there are lots of techs that think they know pin repair but do more damage than good). We support over 150 operating pins plus customers, along with a warehouse of pins ready to repair. If you like Austin and want a pin repair job with great pay and benefits contact us! We will hire ANY qualified candidate and keep you very busy.
3rd location in Austin – yes – north Austin opening early 2016. Format more like the Kingdom (F&B, attractions) than our first location (pinball mecca and BYOB) with some really cool indoor attractions. And yes the entertainment market in Austin is huge and growing. Other Texas cities in 2016??? That’s another thread.

#61 4 years ago

I would love some local pin support, alas - there is no one here that I can find, although I would gladly pay for it!

#62 4 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

Everyone knows that the biggest waste of money you can buy is either a new car or jewelery from a jewelery store.

Yes, women hate to receive nice jewelry.

#63 4 years ago
Quoted from Nevus:

Yes, women hate to receive nice jewelry.

That and I'll never not purchase a vehicle new. Nothing better than a new vehicle, zero maintenance or reliability issues and they drive so well. Worth the cash in depreciation with out question.

#64 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

Worth the cash in depreciation with out question.

The average vehicle after 3 years of ownership has only 58% of it's True Market Value left.

If you figure that the average new vehicle is $30,000 right now, that's about $4200 a year in depreciation.

#65 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

The average vehicle after 3 years of ownership has only 58% of it's True Market Value left.
If you figure that the average new vehicle is $30,000 right now, that's about $4200 a year in depreciation.

I've never taken a hit that large on a car, last two vehicles, two years of driving, 25% price off of what I paid. The two year cycle works well.

#66 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

That and I'll never not purchase a vehicle new. Nothing better than a new vehicle, zero maintenance or reliability issues and they drive so well. Worth the cash in depreciation with out question.

bullshit. I've bought plenty of cars off of front lawns that were 10 years old and didnt' need shit. But I save 20k-40k right off the bat. You ever going to spend 40k in parts to maintain a car? Nope. Just a bad investment all around. And unless you total the car, after 5-7 years, if you sell it, you usually get half your money back. With a new car, after 5-7 years, you will be lucky to get 20% of what you paid back. Most people I know that have car loans, owe more on the car than what they could sell it for. Depreciates faster than they can pay it off.

As for jewelery, it's not about the girls that like it, it's about what you buy it for from the store, and turnaround and try and sell it. Buy a wedding ring for 3k. Try to sell it on ebay and you will be lucky to get $300 for the exact same ring.

#67 4 years ago

Some of ya'll need some serious help with negotiation on new cars. Either that or stop buying crap cars new. I really can't think of to many cars that depreciate 80 percent in 5 to even 7 years.

My 04 cobra. New was 34k. Has 30k miles on it and could easily sell for 25k. 11 years and not close to 80 percent depreciation.

My 10 GT. New was 27k. Has 35k miles on it and could easily sell for high teens. 6 years old (10 model bought in 09) and not even close to 80 percent depreciation.

I could go on and these are MUSTANGS.

If you are paying MSRP for a car you have no room to poke fun at people that paid MSRP for a pinball machine. Just saying.....

Also, no warrantee us great, if you can do your own mechanical work. Fortunately I can but if you can't you better think about them. But even if you can, parts aren't free and can add up fast depending on what breaks.

Not saying that buying used us bad (I buy used all the time to) but some of you are way over exaggerating in order to try and justify yourselves.

#68 4 years ago

Its probably my fault, people read my KISSUES thread on my NIB LE and now everyone wants to pay top dollar for warranties. I don't blame em.

#69 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

I've never taken a hit that large on a car, last two vehicles, two years of driving, 25% price off of what I paid. The two year cycle works well.

That would be an amazing number, as Edmond always shows that most vehicles lose 20% True Market Value in the first year alone.

But even assuming you somehow bought a very "in demand" average priced $30,000 car, that would be a depreciation loss of $3800 per year; still a very substantial number.

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#70 4 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

bullshit. I've bought plenty of cars off of front lawns that were 10 years old and didnt' need shit. But I save 20k-40k right off the bat. You ever going to spend 40k in parts to maintain a car? Nope. Just a bad investment all around. And unless you total the car, after 5-7 years, if you sell it, you usually get half your money back. With a new car, after 5-7 years, you will be lucky to get 20% of what you paid back. Most people I know that have car loans, owe more on the car than what they could sell it for. Depreciates faster than they can pay it off.
As for jewelery, it's not about the girls that like it, it's about what you buy it for from the store, and turnaround and try and sell it. Buy a wedding ring for 3k. Try to sell it on ebay and you will be lucky to get $300 for the exact same ring.

It's okay if people put different values in vehicles, but I personally would never want to drive around a vehicle more than 3 years old unless it was a classic. The 25 or so percent I lose, worth every penny to me.

#71 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

That would be an amazing number, as Edmond always shows that most vehicles lose 20% True Market Value in the first year alone.
But even assuming you somehow bought a very "in demand" average priced $30,000 car, that would be a depreciation loss of $3800 per year; still a very substantial number.
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Not really, that's a low cost to have a new vehicle. The last few vehicles I purchase (Audi and Cadillac) both have held their values this well. My loss is actually more than 3800 per year on the car, but I enjoy my vehicles. I used to be on your side of the argument until I started purchasing new, I'll never go back.

#72 4 years ago

As for jewelry, any diamond I have ever purchased has held or increased in value. Generally anything "costume" or small inexpensive jewelry does lose value. Again it's all about quality and if you purchase quality stuff you should have no problem selling it.

#73 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

My loss is actually more than 3800 per year on the car, but I enjoy my vehicles.

Hey, you don't have to defend your purchase decisions to me.

I hate cars.

They are fragile, pieces of crap. and if they are BMW M5 like mine, then they spend way more time at the dealer than on the road.

Around the holidays when parking is scarce, I never fail to key up any car that is taking up 2 parking spaces because the owner thinks it's special.

#74 4 years ago

Another sizzle reel lol

#75 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

Again it's all about quality and if you purchase quality stuff you should have no problem selling it.

Jewelry stores never buy diamonds (they only let you "trade" them towards more expensive diamonds).

My client that owns a high end (appointment only) jewelry store says that all the stones in the shop are on some kind of consignment from the wholesaler, so he never buys stones outright from customers. He says no store does, not even for 50% of wholesale.

Pawn shops obviously will loan you money against your diamond at 30% weekly interest, but they won't outright pay anything for them.

Where does a person sell an expensive diamond, Craigslist?

#76 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Jewelry stores never buy diamonds (they only let you "trade" them towards more expensive diamonds).
My client that owns a high end (appointment only) jewelry store says that all the stones in the shop are on some kind of consignment from the wholesaler, so he never buys stones outright from customers. He says no store does, not even for 50% of wholesale.
Pawn shops obviously will loan you money against your diamond at 30% weekly interest, but they won't outright pay anything for them.
Where does a person sell an expensive diamond, Craigslist?

I've always sold back to the jeweler, but I have to upgrade at that time or purchase something that is generally 50% more expensive than the last time. The other option I have always had is putting it consignment at the jewelers, they usually sell quick.

#77 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Hey, you don't have to defend your purchase decisions to me.
I hate cars.
They are fragile, pieces of crap. and if they are BMW M5 like mine, then they spend way more time at the dealer than on the road.
Around the holidays when parking is scarce, I never fail to key up any car that is taking up 2 parking spaces because the owner thinks it's special.

I've been lucky. All I have had to do with the last half dozen new cars is oil.

Classic car on the other hand is in the shop more than not. I have been toying with a used sports car, but given my past history with used cars and the maintenance involved, I am really shy of going used. Especially with anything that is sports or exotic.

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#78 4 years ago
Quoted from stretch2:

Apparently I do know more than you.Nice language from a Doctor by the way.Maybe you would benefit the community more by playing more backgammon and not commenting on business models that you don't participate in. And the amount of Butt Kissing in this thread among the groupies is so typical. So very sad......

Stfu. What is it that you think I'm saying? "Stop this foolish ululating" you "scrawny two faced underling".

#79 4 years ago
Quoted from 85vett:

My 04 cobra. New was 34k. Has 30k miles on it and could easily sell for 25k. 11 years and not close to 80 percent depreciation.
My 10 GT. New was 27k. Has 35k miles on it and could easily sell for high teens. 6 years old (10 model bought in 09) and not even close to 80 percent depreciation

Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out.

#80 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

As for jewelry, any diamond I have ever purchased has held or increased in value. Again it's all about quality and if you purchase quality stuff you should have no problem selling it.

Funniest thing I've heard in awhile. Thanks for the laugh. Diamonds are worthless and very common. Try to sell outright to a jeweler and see what happens.

#81 4 years ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Funniest thing I've heard in awhile. Thanks for the laugh. Diamonds are worthless and very common. Try to sell outright to a jeweler and see what happens.
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I have, they purchase it.

#82 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

I have, they purchase it.

then you have a gift for finding suckers. Congrats on your special ability. You should keep putting all your exp points into that skill and max it out.

#83 4 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

You should keep putting all your exp points into that skill and max it out.

#84 4 years ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out.

You obviously have no clue nor the ones thumbs upping your post.

Low milage 03 to 04 cobras sell for mid 20s all the time.

#85 4 years ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

I wouldn't pay anything over MSRP for a car and sure as hell won't on a pinball machine.

You would if you wanted a new Ford GT within the next couple of years.

#86 4 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

You would if you wanted a new Ford GT within the next couple of years.

Or some of inhomearcades diamonds.

#87 4 years ago

Hellcat and gt500 over msrp

#88 4 years ago
Quoted from 85vett:

You obviously have no clue nor the ones thumbs upping your post.
Low milage 03 to 04 cobras sell for mid 20s all the time.

Im afraid you got that backwards pal. I think you might be looking at inflated for sale ads and not what they actually sell for. 03 and 04 cobras are not that sought after. Now my car (pictured left) was bought for $2700. it is sought after and does go up in value for the most part.

#89 4 years ago
Quoted from Davidus56:

Stfu. What is it that you think I'm saying? "Stop this foolish ululating" you "scrawny two faced underling".

Yeah sure......

Anyway, it's been an interesting thread to say the least.
Happy Holidays to all.

#90 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

I've always sold back to the jeweler, but I have to upgrade at that time or purchase something that is generally 50% more expensive than the last time.

So, you can't see that you are being ripped off both ways?

#91 4 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

So, you can't see that you are being ripped off both ways?

Any stone I trade in I get 110% of what I paid, if I double the price of the previous. 100% of what I paid if I increase the stone by 50%, and minimum 90% of paid price if I ever want to get rid of any.

#92 4 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

So, you can't see that you are being ripped off both ways?

It's jewelry, no matter what you do your getting ripped off. It's a stone found in the ground, I don't place much value on it, but if it makes someone happy, it worth the money. It's funny how judgemental pinsiders can be toward any other purchases, yet they make frivolous, wasteful purchases all the time.

#93 4 years ago

i'm happy for Pinballz success.
I wish there were more arcades everywhere.
When they first opened, I threw a big party there for Electronic Arts employees. They all loved it and the ladies really liked the multi-player redemption games. Hopefully that early party help spread the word about Pinballz to folks in the local game industry.

My 'ol lady would prefer I open an arcade, and move all my vids & pins out of the casa

#94 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

It's funny how judgemental pinsiders can be toward any other purchases

I think they are only being "judgmental" because you are telling people to buy Diamonds; and that they should have no problem selling them after they increase in value.

Everyone knows "You can't sell a diamond".

No one will buy them for even 20% of their "value".

The JA says that the average consignment rate for a high end item is 40-50% at a jewelry store, so you are not going to get any kind of return on your "investment".

Quoted from inhomearcades:

As for jewelry, any diamond I have ever purchased has held or increased in value. Again it's all about quality and if you purchase quality stuff you should have no problem selling it.

#95 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

Any stone I trade in I get 110% of what I paid, if I double the price of the previous. 100% of what I paid if I increase the stone by 50%, and minimum 90% of paid price if I ever want to get rid of any.

So that clearly means you are getting ripped off , twice.

#96 4 years ago

Way off topic to thread, but yeah I can't figure out how diamonds or jewelry is an investment. My wife likes Tiffany and that has been ok as it seems to be a different market, stable consistent pricing, brand recognition, quality standards, and they have been easy to sell when she wants something new. It doesn't hurt Tiffany raises prices every year, plus the antique stuff can go for crazy money. Her non Tiffany stuff I consider worthless, as it would be hard to sell I think.

#97 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I think they are only being "judgmental" because you are telling people to buy Diamonds; and that they should have no problem selling them after they increase in value.
Everyone knows "You can't sell a diamond".
No one will buy them for even 20% of their "value".
The JA says that the average consignment rate for a high end item is 40-50% at a jewelry store, so you are not going to get any kind of return on your "investment".

I never said for them to buy diamonds, I just said I have never had an issue getting rid of them. The few times I have consigned items it has been at 10%.

#98 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

The few times I have consigned items it has been at 10%.

That's funny.

#99 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

It's jewelry, no matter what you do your getting ripped off. It's a stone found in the ground.

Its nice to see you're finally coming around. I told my wife at the time, she was not getting a real diamond for her engagement ring. I explained why and she was cool with it. She wasnt familiar with Debeers and how 99% of the value of a diamond is in advertising and paying the Russians not to sell their massive supply on the open market. Diamonds are extremely common. Jewelers can spot the difference between a real diamond and a cubit zirconia because the diamond has many more flaws in them. Debeers could have marketed polished horse poo and established a similar market.

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#100 4 years ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Its nice to see you're finally coming around. I told my wife at the time, she was not getting a real diamond for her engagement ring. I explained why and she was cool with it. She wasnt familiar with Debeers and how 99% of the value of a diamond is in advertising and paying the Russians not to sell their massive supply on the open market. Diamonds are extremely common. Jewelers can spot the difference between a real diamond and a cubit zirconia because the diamond has many more flaws in them. Debeers could have marketed polished horse poo and established a similar market.

You sound like every girl's dream guy.

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