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Score Reel Relay Stuck

By beadwindow

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

Alright so this concerns a Bally Minizag which I just got working properly. I removed the playfield to resolder a couple of lamp sockets and that was it. Fast forward till now where I broke the pin down to bring upstairs into the house. Started a game and the 1 pt. relay and it's score reel coil are stuck on. Unplugged the playfield and started a game and the problem goes away so it's somewhere on the playfield. According to the schematic the playfield switches that activate the 1 pt. relay are: 1 NC switch on the Feature relay, 4 NO switches on the side rebounds , 2 NO upper left slingshot switches, and a NO switch on the right thumper bumper relay. This is 8 individual switches in total with 7 of them being easy enough to check because they're NO. The one NC switch is on the feature relay and I cleaned it twice. I also unscrewed the 4 side rebound switches and both slingshot switches to make sure the blade tensioners weren't shorting the blades, touching solder lugs, etc. I let them hang in place so that the rubbers and plastics had no way of touching these switches and I'm still getting a stuck relay. I thought for sure it would be a piece of solder or something shorting one of the switches but no joy. What am I missing??
schematic:
https://www.ipdb.org/files/1606/Bally_1968_MiniZag_Schematic_Diagram_continuous.pdf

#2 5 years ago

Hi beadwindow
the switch on the Feature-Relay is just for to route action to either to the 1-Point-Relay or to the10-Point-Relay. Two more switches You must check --- or: Want to activate the Feature-Relay so the Make-and-Brake-Switch on the feature-Relay moves - and the 10-Point-Relay is pulling all the time ? Greetings Rolf

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#3 5 years ago

Rolf,
wasn't really sure what you're asking in your response but i checked both switches on the left and lower bumpers and they're open and gapped correctly. i checked this with the power on and off.
i activated the feature relay manually which worked properly to light the gate open light and then i hit the rollover button that causes the lower and left bumpers to light and award 10 points. in other words, all that seems to be working normally.

#4 5 years ago

Hi beadwindow
I do not know the pin, I look at the JPG in post-2 and I read Your text in post-1: TWO Normally-Open "upper left slingshot" switches --- when it is a slingshot then there is a kicker mounted there. Such an Slingshot-Kicker is usually activated when one of the two NO-Switches on the left/right of the kicker-arm do close - these two switches do activate the kicker, they do NOT activate an 1-Point / 10-Point-Relay. ON THE KICKER there is a switch*** mounted to close (when the kicker-arm fires) - this switch*** does activate the 1-Point / 10-Point-Relay --- look on the kicker for an switch to close (for the Points-Relay) - faulty always closed ?

In post-3 You write +/- "have inspected 'switches on bumpers' " - in the snippet of schematics is written T-B-RELAY - Thumper-Bumper-Relay - look for switches on the T-B-RELAYS (switch faulty always closed ?)

I am curious - where is Your 1-Point-RELAY mounted ? In the Backbox (+/- near the Score-Drums) ? or is it mounted on the underneathside of the playfield ? Where are the Thumper-Bumper-Relays mounted ? My guessing: 1-Point-Relay is in the Backbox, the Thumper-Bumper-Relays are mounted on the Playfield.

I wonder (post-3) --- You manually activate the Feature-Relay - why must You hit an Rollover-Button to make the lower and left bumper to light and score 10 points - isn't this done by the (manually) activated Feature-Relay ? Greetings Rolf

#5 5 years ago

Rolf,
Thanks again for helping and you were right, the switch that activates when the kicker fires was closed when it should be a NO situation. The switch was closed very tight so I must have accidentally grabbed the playfield right there when removing and installing it. I mistakenly thought that the two switches that actually fire the kicker also fired the 1 point relay. To answer your other questions:
You're correct on the bumper and 1 pt relay locations as well as the description of the how the Feature relay operates.
I've had this game for a year and still haven't played a game on it because it wasn't working when I got it so it sat in storage. When it was working briefly recently I didn't play any games because I was cleaning the playfield, soldering all the lamp sockets, etc.
All that changes today thanks to your help, I get to annoy everyone else in the house with the sound of Bally bells.

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