Pretty awesome topper compared to the others out there ..especially considering how much this does vs a $1500-2000 topper!

Props to Spooky.

Because you are free to buy this new superior topper to replace the cheap plastic one that came with the CE.

Game would've cost 11.5k if it would've been included.

While an extreme reaction, I can understand beeing somewhat upset by this. The topper was a feature only included in the CE edition of the game and people presumably paid extra for that version at least in part because of it. They now have an inferior version of the topper. With that being said, I doubt it added that much to the cost of the game. I don’t have scooby, but it if I did id be more excited by the cool topper and buy it than be angry about having already paid for a cheaper version.

OK, lets put this into a different light. Selling my Scooby Doo CE topper for $500. Anyone interested please PM me

Does that make a little more sense for the guys saying this is fine? I'm don't really care either way but trying to look on both side of the looking glass. People who bought the "top of the line" don't want to feel like they don't have the top of the line. Is this topper the top of the line. No clue, have not played with it yet.

You can either fume about this or order one! Spooky owes you nothing.
Mine is ordered!!!

Yeah basically flat out 100% transparency we can't include a topper of this level with our CE price. It's just can't be done and keep the lights on at Spooky. Scooby was just such a loaded wide body already to try to make work at $9769. This topper is so much further integrated than most toppers out there with licensed assets and everything. It just can't be done.

You’re missing out on one video mode (which doesn’t look that great). Frankly, I don’t play pinball for the video modes anyway.

Also, I can’t figure out how a new product changed the value proposition of the original game? I got exactly what I paid for when the CE was announced, and I paid what I thought was a fair price for it. Would I have paid $1k more to get the new topper, maybe. But it’s not like there is someone out there getting the CE+new topper for $9769.

Do I get the Xtra video and gameplay if I don't buy the topper? This this this is the probem. I could care less about the topper but robbing me of gameplay a year later. Big problem in my book.

When I forked out $10, 600 for the ce I assumed I was buying the best scooby available. If I knew I had to pay $11,600 to get the best model I might not of bought it.

To come out a year later and say if you don't spend another grand you won't own the complete game.

Pretty easy to understand and if not you don't need to.... because I do and it's a problem going forward on how I view this company. Keep you r opinion if that's how you feel. This ain't no knee jerk reaction and my opinion won't be changing.

If they put in this topper with the original CE, the price would have had to be much higher. Actual mechs, better materials, and an LCD built in? This is completely optional buy in, and your raging?

You got a topper with your CE, others don't, you still got something for your money that others didn't.

Ordered

Well, I guess if you bought a used CE for $8769 and added the new topper you would, indeed, be getting the CE and new topper for $9769.

Imagine being a grown ass adult complaining a hat for your toy has wrecked your life. That said…ordered!

How about a CE topper trade-in program? Nobody needs 2 toppers & previous buyers were never aware this was under development.

That's kind of the weird thing. "top of the line" is such a nothing phrase when pretty much every product never is one and done. It's funny how many "top of the line cars" are not really that, cause of all the optional accessories you have available, package trims, and then limited versions released later.

Spooky put out a product, and advertised what you get for a price. You bought that product and got what they advertised. Them adding an optional accessory later does not change that you bought what was advertised.

Wow. Maybe a few less cups of coffee for you this morning.

Spooky is gracious enough to interact with us here on Pinside keeping us up to speed on code updates, helping out with issues and just general announcements. It is posts like this that will eventually drive them away.

I mean you are 100% within your rights as a customer to have your opinion and all… but maybe dial it down a bit?

Not sure why… but these Tool lyrics are ringing in my head reading these topper money grab posts:

“All you know about me is what I've sold ya, dumb f*ck
I sold out long before you'd ever even heard my name
I sold my soul to make a record, dip shit
And then you bought one”

People on here posting, like folks chose the CE version because of the topper on it and are now offended. Goodness, I bet not 1 person made a decision on BSE vs CE SOLELY on the topper. C'mon man....

Topper looks great, Team Spooky! Keep doing what you do, regardless of the harshly loud outliers.

Yes you

Yes you have been 100% robbed. You did not get what you paid for when you bought Scooby as they did not sell you a topper that I would imagine was not even on their to do list when they made the game.

You should give away your game to someone else for free as its such a bad horrible game and Spooky is so terrible for screwing you over that you should not own their games.

I for one am very thankful for the Spooky team and what they have done for their games. On top of that I think its amazing how they come on pinside and keep up with their games and all of us. If people keep acting like you then it would not surprise me if they stop coming here reading and posting. Just release your product and to heck with everyone else (its certainly the motto of all the other big pin makers - Stern, JJP, CGC they don't give a crap about us or support).

I guess you want Spooky to give you this new topper for free then.

I’d only be pissed at Spooky if they released a new autolauncher and charged for it
Topper looks cool and is a fun option for folks who want it.
Love my Scooby and grateful we live in an era where wonderful games like this are being made and most here can afford (new or used).

This right here. Our purchase of Scooby CE vs BSE has ZERO to do with the topper (and 100% has nothing to do with this new topper coming out a year later). We got the CE for the art, the sculpts, the powdercoat and so on. While I like the BSE look I like the CE art much much more.

If I made any decision on a game as to what "might" be released later on for it then I doubt I would ever own any games.

OK? let's chance the phrasing then since that's what you're getting hung up on. They are not re-releasing a new model of Scooby-doo. So, last year they had a CE game that had everything in it. Now you're missing a part of the game (By the way I personally hate there being a mode in the topper, feels like extorsion) with no chance of getting that code unless you spend another $1000. If it's just fluff and pretty, then the choice of the new topper rests on if the topper appeals to you. Putting game play code in it (because that's how you get it to sell) feels wrong. I have no problem with the status update and extra animations kind of like the apron mod for Rob Zombie, it's throwing code in that rubs people the wrong way. Look at every Elwin topper, the Cactus Canyon LE trouble, and the Mandalorian topper. That seems to be the biggest complaint, when you put part of the game in the topper your robbing people of the game.

Now.....IT'S A TOY! Get over it. You bought a lates and greatest computer last year and now they have a new model out. You don't get to go back to the store and make them give you a new one.

BTW...Noone wants my CE topper? Cheap at $500

I bet this guy also threw a hissy fit over the apron mod from BackAlleyMatt

Guessing Spooky screwed him there too.

Toppers can go for thousands of dollars…this release doesn’t bother me at all, but acting like a topper is not a huge factor in which version of a game people buy is pretty disingenuous. It may not have been a major factor for you, but it’s clearly an important aspect of any collectors edition that includes a topper for many buyers.

I’m happy with the topper that came with the CE, and it never crossed my mind to change out, but both my wife and I watched the trailer and…now it’s on order. I am far more excited about this topper than Jaws.

Its an add-on plain and simple. This was never offered on any version of the game and isn't being added to the CE after the fact.

That is the part that I don't get when people argue that this should have been included on the CE and that it affects their decision which model to get. Can ANYONE really say that the current topper on the CE is the reason they got the CE over the BSE (I bet no).

It is no different then getting a Stern GZ topper and putting it on their pro model (not that anyone does that).

Should this topper ONLY be available for the CE model - maybe. Should CE owners get a discount for this vs a BSE or Standard owner - perhaps but SpookyLuke posted their thought process and why they put it out with one price and available to all models. Bear in mind he didn't have to explain any of that.

Some of you all need to grow the hell up! Someone could give you a gold bar and you would bitch that they didn't give you two. I am not pissed at all about this. Hell I love it. I own a CE and what you get from Spooky is WAAYYY more than any other manufacturer for the money by far.

I own JJP and Stern games as well. Yes I will be buying this topper and yes I bought a LT as well! My Foo and Godzilla cost more and neither had a topper, powder coated door, speaker lights or flipper lights.

Pinball community has a bunch of big babies in it.

Moments like this should remind us how fortunate we all are to have the luxury of being upset over a toy accessory.

Previous generations gave us more spare time and money than any in history so we can engage in these important debates.

Again that's the wrong assumption with all these topper discussions.

No the CE didn't promise EVERYTHING, it promised what was promised. You bought a product that came with X features, and you got that. This is an additional product that was never promised or included in the original sales agreement.

Well said.

Like I said, I am not bothered by the release of this topper…I’d be excited if I had a scooby. If CGC released some kind of upgraded topper for their older games I’d also be excited about that. I just think the inclusion of a topper was a factor for a lot of buyers out there on which model to choose. It would only bother me if they topper was limited and some CE purchasers that wanted weren’t able to get.

I’m in! Purchased the topper as soon as it was announced. Such a great addition to my soon to come BSE. I’ve never purchased a topper for any pin before but excited to have this one. My wife and I really wanted the mystery machine art package. I knew I would be missing the sculpts but made my choice none the less. Spooky really knocked it out of the park with this one!

Ordered!

1969 games made with plungers that barely work… no need to invest time into trying to fix that. But Let build a $900 topper for a game we sold with a topper as a “collector” edition. Doesn’t CE usually mean TOP as in all the bells and whistles thrown in? So maybe it’s NOT CE but mid top tier.

I could care less about a topper, I love the game just putting this out there for discussion/ clarification

I did buy a CE to get a topper, but I am ok with spooky putting this out. Topper looks amazing, especially for the cost. Look at Godzilla topper and how much it was.

I honestly think Stern was trolling people with that topper and people still bought it for $1500. It had a black zip tie for goodness sake, couldn’t even do a green one.

Will show the wife and kids the video and will order if they like it, which they will. I can see people being a bit upset, but buy if you like it and don’t if you hate it.

Awesome! Just Ordered.

Playing detective here, we got sold a licensed game with 4000 call outs that have yet to be fully seen. so judging by this statement one would guess these clips/shots are not going to be in the newest update? For non extras payment?

Love Spooky and love Scooby!!

The suggestion that their new add-on is a slight or misrepresentation is simply a misapprehension of how contracts work. What did you not get as part of the benefit of the bargain? Nothing. No one promised they would not add or improve as time went on. That attitude would mean they’d never improve code or hardware or anything else.

They are a good company who is trying to deliver a fun product; successfully, I would add. I salute them.

I’ll sell my CE topper if someone is interested

Definitely would love to see some more, but we will never hear the 4000. Many definitely got cut but better to have too many to use vs not enough.

I’m going to disagree with you here, game was advertised to have so much ie call outs, clips from 20 episodes or 2 seasons. It’s been a year and we still haven’t touched the tip of getting a 1/4 of this. I think that’s what everyone is over looking. You can’t put out an add on product for a game you havent finished the code on. I think if the code was 100% had all the videos, you’d get a few ruffled feathers.

You got a game with switches that do nothing, inserts that do nothing.

Also based on your comment I expect you to not up date the code when it comes out and.

Understandable, but this should make owners a Little bit upset that these modes are not in the, non paying extras code.

It doesn't piss me off. Hell I am glad they came out with it. I got everything I was expecting when I purchased my CE. I like that now I can upgrade my topper if I want to. No one says I have to.

In terms of CE versus non-CE buyers, we really did debate this for quite some time. We thought about making it exclusive for CE buyers. We though about pricing it at $969 for CE buyers and $1,469 for non-CE buyers. Trying to enforce that would become a nightmare, and, at the end of the day, there simply weren't enough BSE and SE buyers to make that worthwhile. So we just priced it at the lower price for everyone.

I'm sure it's not going to be enough for some, but we also have a fairly packed update for everyone. Among other things, the process for qualifying the Ghost of Elias Kingston (Video Mode) is available to those that choose to not buy the topper. Instead of qualifying the video mode it will simply award a hurry-up value for those without the topper. In addition, we will be featuring another new episode with this update. We tried to strike a balance in offering, what we feel is the most interactive topper ever, while also including an amazing update for everyone.

In terms of assets, I can, with fairly high certainty, confirm that this game already has more callouts then any pinball machine. Keep in mind that the callouts change based on your character, so that your character selected changes nearly every directional callout in the game. There are some that do sound similar, but when possible we tried to pack the callouts in there and have the game randomly choose one from the batch. We also still have more updates planned, which will further expand upon the content.

So…now that we got the ‘spooky is great’ vs ‘spooky screwed us’ argument out of our systems…(BTW…all of you were wrong)

The topper seems VERY cool. BUT…is there too much going on in the topper during gameplay? I barely can check out the lcd on the backbox while playing, let alone the topper. Is it only there for the video mode? (And for spectators). Do topper videos play at the same time as videos on the backbox. I know my kid can watch multiple screens at once that show different content…but I’m in my 50’s…and usually already drain on a quick peak at my score!

well done spooky!!!

The butt hurt on this topper blows my mind. I’ve never seen anyone freak out about video games selling expansion packs months after the initial game release and this is pretty much the same thing.

This topper is F’n awesome. It would cost $1k more a year ago or now. The OG topper is cheap printed flat plastic so there is really no $ lost hanging that on the wall or whatever. CEs are not really limited and neither is this topper. Unlike Stern coming out with SLV versions of games like Elvira, this has no real impact on the value the original CE.