A Photoshop of the speaker panel, mystery machine option.

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But the difference is the wrong way. 800 turns will have higher resistance and less power than 600 turns of the same gauge wire.

AND how it's wound, on a dual wound coil, at least.

shouldnt bugs be reported to bug?

Thanks for the pic. Still a tough call!

Stop focusing on a single number and read the equation that determines force in a solenoid.

https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Magnets/Solenoid-Force-Calculator.phtml
F = (N*I)**2 μ0 A / (2 g**2),

Where:

μ0 = 4π10-7
F is the force in Newtons
N is the number of turns
I is the current in Amps
A is the area in length units squared
g is the length of the gap between the solenoid and a piece of metal.

Note, any units can be used for A and g so long as they are consistent. For example, in2 and in, or m2 and m, respectively.

As we are assuming the geometry to be the same we can drop it and the constant μ0 from the discussion. That basically leaves the effects of the # of turns and the current. The # of turns effects the Force as a square, as does the current. As they are multiplied before the square they are basically in a proportional relationship in the equation. So which has the bigger effect on the square when one changes?

The current is a function of resistance (inversely proportional), and resistance a function of gauge and length. The resistance per foot of 23awg is roughly .02036 ohms.

American Wire Gages (AWG) Sizes and Resistances
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=resistance+per+foot+23+awg
AWG wire size (solid) Area CM* Resistance per 1000 ft (ohms) @ 20 C
22 642.4 16.14
23 509.45 20.36
24 404.01 25.67
25 320.4 32.37

How many foot do you need for 200 turns on a flipper coil, and then multiply that by .020 ohms. I'm betting that we don't need many feet. So the extra resistance is small and therefore the current falls by a small %. I.e. The effect of resistance on the current for 200 turns is much lower so the current number will go down only slightly.

However, the turns number went up by 33% (800 vs 600, or 200 more turns). Thus the # of turns will have a much greater effect on the total force that the coil can exert on the plunger.

He's not saying the coil isn't stronger, he's saying (correctly) that it can't be accurate that a coil with more windings of the same gauge wire has lower resistance.

P.S. this whole discussion should probably be moved to a new thread instead of further detailing this one.

This is all super cool and fascinating (sincerely) but can someone please post a new stream of Scooby?! Thanks!

Or people just throwing hate at a manufacturer with totally BS rating numbers like 3 or 4. I don’t know how you can make an argument for a score like that on a game like Halloween. Even on Sterns or JJP, etc games that I don’t necessarily care for I couldn’t score that low. There seems there is something positive to be found in gameplay in most games. Just my opinion. Still find honest reviews helpful. The actual rankings are pretty nonsensical.

Not what I read here, or in his previous statements, he clearly states power. He's saying the reason it has less power is resistance.

Yep, I'm done here.

Scooby stream…scooby stream…scooby stream….

This thread took a turn(get it?) for the worse.
Can we start a new Scooby Club thread?

PinballSTAR ... 3PM EST today they are interviewing Bug on twitch, hopefully over a Scooby Doo in action.

Can a link be provided when available?

https://www.twitch.tv/electriccitypinball

3PM Eastern, interview with Bug will be streaming here:
https://www.twitch.tv/electriccitypinball?sr=a

Rats, beat me by 8 seconds. I would have gotten away with it too if...not for your speed

The Electric City Pinball feed has the Scooby Doo playfield upside down. I havent followed them for a month so I cant comment in chat.

Playfield is upside down. And frozen.

Yeah. No one is going to be able to chat. Haha. You need to follow them for a month to chat.

Super spreader there playing SD

Just turn your phone upside down!

I relayed the message. Camera fixed

It’s right side up now, but the video is effed. Frozen for long periods of time.

Yea

Kind of weird at a launch party it isn’t being played non stop. I expected a line.

Yeah. It's a total mess

Do most machines have lines upon release at a popular location?

At a show, yes

Typically if it is a launch party for that game.

I wish I was there. Would love to be playing it non stop!

Its a tournament game so different groups play when its their turn

I saw that tilt coming a mile away

Scranton unveil. Lost an acorn nut holding one of the hands on the upper playfield but no biggie. Got it fixed up quick. Really liking that upper bookcase flipper. Really impressed overall with the game. Feeling really good about the purchase.

Current player name/score should flash when ball is in shooter lane prior to launch. Looks like it starts flashing when first switch is hit. I had a hard time knowing who’s turn it was when no one was at the machine. Maybe I’m missing something.

Watching the stream I have exactly the same comment. Looks like it could be more clear who’s up. Hard to tell from the stream if we are missing something but it looks like it had players confused.

Edited add: not really sure why the players score needs to flash as much as it does? Totally agree it really only needs to flash when the ball is in the shooter lane ready to start your turn, not with every switch hit.

Write that up and send it to DJ

RM

Will do

I gotchya!

The player up is mainly indicated by the character displayed in the lower right of the display (there's a big glare over it so you can't see it in the stream).
But I can Definitely flash that player's score box too!

Haha figured you’d be watching here! Disregard the email you just received (other than the good stuff). Also figured we were missing something on the screen

Cool to see some longer upper playfield action on the stream today…looks like so much fun, can’t wait!

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Hoping some feed back posts ...

Any idea on how long the shopping notification takes after invoice is paid in full? I paid last Monday. I have a friend visiting from out of state in 19 days.

I got to play it today and put several plays on it. First off the game looks amazing; the light show and art on the game are excellent. Not sure what is going on with the volume of the game but opened it up and tried to increase the volume and it was still super low; maybe it’s a coding thing? Okay on to gameplay I really think this is the smoothest ever spooky game and I have played them all and owned almost all of them. This is their best effort and it is not even close. So the one thing I hope that maybe DJ from SPOOKY could chime in here and maybe it is just a code thing but it took forever for the mystery machine to kick the balls out for mystery machine mball. Okay now on to all the goodness in the game. I really liked the flow on the lower playfield and all the shots are interesting and will take an awhile to figure out where the ball goes, but some very cool loops. The upper playfield is good it felt a little sluggish might have been the pitch of the game. The shots up too are cool; especially how the game makes you use both playfields for the modes. The code feels good, but still needs some work, but like I said for being early in the code feels good. Not sure how to get the lower ball locks lit. The modes that are in so far are fun though. Overall like I said definitely Spookys best game. I wish they would upgrade thier displays though they still are not upgraded yet and look washed out a little bit

Two minute adjustment to the LCD settings on the back dramatically improves the display, wish Spooky would adjust these at the factory so more people don't immediately consider dropping $200 plus on a new display.

What's the adjustment?

The price is just to high now,I bet at a grand it would be different!

What number?

The volume knobs on the amp were likely set too low.

Even with optimal settings the stock display is still pretty bad. For colorful games like R&M and Scooby, the upgraded IPS displays really pop.

If they would have made the display quality look like it was from 1969 you all would have lost your shit, saying it was brilliant. Instead...here we are.