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SCAM ALERT - Fohunter


By CyberNinja24

10 months ago



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#1 10 months ago

Greetings pinside community.
Please be advised that FOHUNTER member here on pinside just tried to scam me out of $14,000 for the Big Lebowski pin he had for sale. Everything was a lie.
A big Thank You to Melissa at Cointaker for helping me identify the rat this guy is and avoid making a huge mistake.
I hope no one else has been taken by this scammer.

#2 10 months ago

Could we have Robin or someone kick this guy out of here?
He damn near had $14,000 of my money.
I’m embarrassed and got very lucky as this rat is very good at what he does.

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#3 10 months ago

Thanks for calling them out right away in the very first post and NOT starting a 20 page thread of OPs being vague and games of 'guess who' like we typically see.

#4 10 months ago

What happened? Thx for posting

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#5 10 months ago

He posted a TBL for sale for $14K on Monday night. I said I’d take it. He responded via pinside PM and also was texting me so I sent him $2K as a PayPal gift on Monday night.
Today, he says game is here and wants a wire of $12K. A few red flags were going off in my head so I called Melissa with cointaker and she let me know that this guy was not legit.
The guy was texting and calling me and was very good at what he did.
For the moment, I’m out $2K but my bank thinks they might be able to get it back for me.
I’m embarrassed and a little surprised that I fell for this.
OP has now closed the FS thread.

#6 10 months ago

Damn. Sorry to hear that, Jimmy. Definitely not your fault at all.

Hopefully you can get in on the cointaker deposit, get NIB, and save some money.

Best of luck, my friend!

#7 10 months ago

Damn sorry to hear man. Great pinsider too. 2k hopefully you can get it back.

#8 10 months ago

Sorry to hear. That sucks. I had reached out to him and asked whether he would want my Safecracker or MB as partial trade and he simply said Alien was the only trade he would consider. Never mentioned cash. Thanks for the heads up.

#9 10 months ago

I will say though that his being on Pinside only two months gave me pause. But again, sorry that happened.

#10 10 months ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

I will say though that his being on Pinside only two months gave me pause. But again, sorry that happened.

Yeah it might end up being a $2,000 lesson but it’s all good.
Just don’t want it happening to anyone else.

#11 10 months ago

He definitely interacted with the community....harder to spot...glad red flags went off.

#12 10 months ago

How did Cointaker know it was bogus? What did he say when you asked for a refund?

#13 10 months ago

I also messaged him i could be to Miami in 3 hours with cash in hand and pickup of the machine. He never responded. Now i see why. Sorry that happened to you.

#14 10 months ago
Quoted from herbertbsharp:

How did Cointaker know it was bogus? What did he say when you asked for a refund?

This scammer claimed to have the one from Bloomington that was delivered today. Once I asked him for information specific to the box and the shipping information that you’d only know by standing by the machine, he went dark.
This was from Melissa’s guidance to let me know that there was no way a TBL was in Florida. He also claimed that he just spoke with Melissa and she said the warranty would transfer over. But, when I called Melissa, she was not speaking with this rat and that information was also incorrect.

#15 10 months ago
Quoted from CyberNinja24:

This scammer claimed to have the one from Bloomington that was delivered today. Once I asked him for information specific to the box and the shipping information that you’d only know by standing by the machine, he went dark.
This was from Melissa’s guidance to let me know that there was no way a TBL was in Florida. He also claimed that he just spoke with Melissa and she said the warranty would transfer over. But, when I called Melissa, she was not speaking with this rat and that information was also incorrect.

Wow! I'm sorry man, that's evil! I think he would have anyone on the hook, way to do your due diligence. He probably would have got the whole $15k from me.

#16 10 months ago

Thx for sharing.
See a JPLE pending before this one as well.
Hope that buyer wasn’t rooked.

Get him outta here!

#17 10 months ago
Quoted from CyberNinja24:

I sent him $2K as a PayPal gift

Why send it as a gift?

#18 10 months ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

Why send it as a gift?

because some people request it, because if you want to pay with paypal, they don't want %'s taken out. I request it all the time. Never had a problem.

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#19 10 months ago

Sorry to hear about this.

The account has been banned.

Be careful out there, folks. There's a few scammers out there who are getting very sophisticated and learning pinball lingo and about some of the key individuals in the hobby.

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#20 10 months ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

if you want to pay with paypal, they don't want %'s taken out. I request it all the time.

I’m surprised people don’t consider it a red flag when their trading partner asks to cheat the payment processor.

#21 10 months ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

I’m surprised people don’t consider it a red flag when their trading partner asks to cheat the payment processor.

I’ve used it many times with zero issues but that all changes now.

#22 10 months ago

I have used PayPal friends and family before but never gift. Most I’ve sent though was a couple hundred dollars as a deposit until I get there so not even on the same level. I’ve had someone pay me for a machine that way because they didn’t have the full cash amount and that turned out to be a good Pinsider and I wasn’t screwed. Sorry this happened to you.

#23 10 months ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

because some people request it, because if you want to pay with paypal, they don't want %'s taken out. I request it all the time. Never had a problem.

Is there any recourse for the buyer if money is sent pay pal gift/FF?

#24 10 months ago

That sucks dude! Not getting that grail pin. A Damn double tap in the nuts! Well at you had the balls to post and warn people.

#25 10 months ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Is there any recourse for the buyer if money is sent pay pal gift/FF?

None.
You send money to someone friends and family gift and it’s gone.
My bank thought they could stop it for me. I’ll find out in the morning.
I called PayPal and they said there was nothing they could do for me.

#26 10 months ago

One of the days Fohunter is gunna find out what happens when you......

#27 10 months ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

I’m surprised people don’t consider it a red flag when their trading partner asks to cheat the payment processor.

Indeed.

No one wants to get ripped off, but it seems ripping off a payment service because they’re a large company is generally considered OK!

#28 10 months ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Is there any recourse for the buyer if money is sent pay pal gift/FF?

Only if the money came from a credit card. You can dispute the payment with the CC company. If it is from your balance then I don’t think there is any recourse.

Mike V

#30 10 months ago

Was this the same guy from Miami that just listed a NIB Jurrasic Park LE for sale for $9500 and someone bought it? Not sure if this was the same guy.

I was looking at that ad and hate to say it but when I saw Miami it made I thought it was weird "IF" this was the same guy that I think a few days later listed a Big Lebowski. I tried looking for archive ads quick before work and can't find it.

I hope you get your money back.

#31 10 months ago

I see he had market ad items marked as sold, who bought these items on pinside and did they do this in person?????

#32 10 months ago
Quoted from RWH:

I see he had market ad items marked as sold, who bought these items on pinside and did they do this in person?????

He marked it sold because the jig was up.
He got $2,000 from me that I’m out and was very close to getting $14,000 total.
No clue on all the other stuff he had on his profile, including a JPLE with a pending sale. He was a very good scammer.
Hope one of us runs into him some day.

#33 10 months ago
Quoted from RWH:

I see he had market ad items marked as sold, who bought these items on pinside and did they do this in person?????

Those sales probably never actually happened. It’s also possible this person has another handle and is still lurking or even a viable member of the community. The Fohunter handle was only active a couple of months, but was pretty active and built some level of credibility in that time. Seems he is familiar with the hobby.

#34 10 months ago

Big credit to OP for flagging this. And also Pinside. I had interacted with Fohunter on this ad and as a result received a scammer warning from Pinside in both Pinside mail and my linked email. All thanks to the OP.

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#35 10 months ago

If it is someone I don't know on pinside or some other site then I don't use friends and family. I let them know I will pay them for goods and services and I will add the 3% to the price of the game (or whatever the PayPal fee is at that time). That way I am protected. It adds some money to the game but I feel better about sending that kind of money.

#36 10 months ago

If you sent him money via PayPal then you know his real name . Why put him on blast here and Facebook with his rw name ?

#37 10 months ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

I’m surprised people don’t consider it a red flag when their trading partner asks to cheat the payment processor.

Quoted from Gorgonzola:

No one wants to get ripped off, but it seems ripping off a payment service because they’re a large company is generally considered OK!

Using friends and family is not "ripping off" PayPal. It's a legitimate option that they offer for sending funds. They just don't provide any sort of protection if you choose to send money this way, which is precisely why it is called "friends and family". You're only supposed to use it to send money to someone that you absolutely trust.

#38 10 months ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Using friends and family is not "ripping off" PayPal. It's a legitimate option that they offer for sending funds. They just don't provide any sort of protection if you choose to send money this way, which is precisely why it is called "friends and family". You're only supposed to use it to send money to someone that you absolutely trust.

Well, I believe the intention of friends and family is to give money to people you know for non-business transactions. They wave the transaction fees as a courtesy and probably to expand their customer base. If you are buying something from someone, especially from someone you don't know, it is a business transaction and should be subject to fees. It costs them money to process your transaction. If you are deceptively using their service in a way to avoid fees you are ripping them off. It's essentially theft of services. I actually really dislike using friends and family for purchases because if enough people abuse it they will take it away.

#39 10 months ago

It sucks that you had to lose 2k. Good job figuring it all out and putting it out there. I've had a few machines shipped across the country and luckily I've always dealt with decent stand up guys.

#40 10 months ago

My brother works for one of the largest payment processors in the world ie they handle most porn site transactions so they get a lot of business lol. It costs virtually nothing for a large payment processor to process an electronic draft out of an account which is why PayPal can offer it for free (as do many other sites you need to make your monthly bill payments too). The catch is you're authorizing money to essentially just vanish from your account. Unless you we're not the person that clicked the keystrokes to move the money, there's no recourse for any type if fraud. That lack of liability is one of the major factors of the very minimal fees associated with the transaction and why PayPal and other places can offer it free of charge.

It's not "ripping off a processor", it's just a choice you're making whether to buy scam insurance on your transaction or not. Even with that "insurance", PayPal has in many cases said (to me), sorry you're right but there is no money to recover, have a nice day.

I still use PayPal when I have to but I'm very carefull about with whom.

#41 10 months ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

Sorry to hear. That sucks. I had reached out to him and asked whether he would want my Safecracker or MB as partial trade and he simply said Alien was the only trade he would consider. Never mentioned cash. Thanks for the heads up.

As a follow up, my bank was 99% sure that I wouldn’t lose money on the deal, but it looks like I’m out $2,000 on the scam.
This individual was part of the pinside community. He had other games for sale, pins wanted, was responding to other PMs, and was actively posting on other threads.
I don’t know if it was a scam that was laid out for months or if this person just wanted to grab some cash and go.
Either way, tread extremely cautiously and only deal with people you know and trust.

#42 10 months ago
Quoted from marksf123:

If it is someone I don't know on pinside or some other site then I don't use friends and family. I let them know I will pay them for goods and services and I will add the 3% to the price of the game (or whatever the PayPal fee is at that time). That way I am protected. It adds some money to the game but I feel better about sending that kind of money.

I do the same thing. I purchased light boards for my WoZ, contacted the seller and made sure it was alright if I added the PayPal fees and paid for it as goods and services. If they had said no, then I would have politely declined to move forward with the transaction.

Quoted from CyberNinja24:

As a follow up, my bank was 99% sure that I wouldn’t lose money on the deal, but it looks like I’m out $2,000 on the scam.
This individual was part of the pinside community. He had other games for sale, pins wanted, was responding to other PMs, and was actively posting on other threads.
I don’t know if it was a scam that was laid out for months or if this person just wanted to grab some cash and go.
Either way, tread extremely cautiously and only deal with people you know and trust.

Thanks for posting. It's tough to swallow getting scammed, but it's good that you were able to warn others. I think Melissa posted something about them being able to authenticate the machines if you contact them first. The thread is around here somewhere.

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#43 10 months ago
Quoted from CyberNinja24:

None.
You send money to someone friends and family gift and it’s gone.
My bank thought they could stop it for me. I’ll find out in the morning.
I called PayPal and they said there was nothing they could do for me.

This is incorrect. If you used a credit card to pay as a gift you can issue a chargeback. Then Paypal is out the money, and they will get it back from the seller.

Always use a credit card with Paypal. Never pay from a bank account.

#44 10 months ago

That blows. I've started avoiding using PayPal F&F and just add the PayPal fee into the payment. At least that way PayPal sees it as a 'business' transaction and you do have some tools available to file a dispute should the seller turn out to be a nefarious baboon.

#45 10 months ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

This is incorrect. If you used a credit card to pay as a gift you can issue a chargeback. Then Paypal is out the money, and they will get it back from the seller.
Always use a credit card with Paypal. Never pay from a bank account.

As for credit cards American Express is your best bet for buyer protection.

#46 10 months ago

Using PP Friends and Family with someone you've never met or done business with is obviously not smart.

#47 10 months ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

This is incorrect. If you used a credit card to pay as a gift you can issue a chargeback. Then Paypal is out the money, and they will get it back from the seller.
Always use a credit card with Paypal. Never pay from a bank account.

What about the seller's protection though?

What if I sell a game to someone and they pay me via Credit card through paypal. They get the game, then issue a chargeback? I'm asking because I am actually going through this right now with a buyer and I am nervous about him paying with CC through paypal then issuing a chargeback.

#48 10 months ago
Quoted from CyberNinja24:

Hope one of us runs into him some day.

I have to believe he probably doesn't hang out at Pinburgh or Chicago Expo. Unfortunately.

Good on you, for taking the $2k loss like a gentleman, and realizing that life is full of expensive lessons. those are the most valuable lessons, so they pay for themselves over time.

#49 10 months ago
Quoted from bigehrl:

I have to believe he probably doesn't hang out at Pinburgh or Chicago Expo. Unfortunately.
Good on you, for taking the $2k loss like a gentleman, and realizing that life is full of expensive lessons. those are the most valuable lessons, so they pay for themselves over time.

It still sucks and if anyone knows this assclown scammer, please out him.

#50 10 months ago
Quoted from pinlink:

What about the seller's protection though?
What if I sell a game to someone and they pay me via Credit card through paypal. They get the game, then issue a chargeback? I'm asking because I am actually going through this right now with a buyer and I am nervous about him paying with CC through paypal then issuing a chargeback.

Paypal is slanted for buyer protection. They believe whatever baloney the buyer makes up. This is why cash on the glass is king.... unless you know the person. It's one of the reasons Ebay went downhill IMO as well, whatever lies the buyer makes up, ebay and paypal believe, and the seller is left with no merch or money.

It even happens to businesses, John's Jukes in Canada was brokering sales for the "time travel warehouse" (see story on rec.games.pinball) and someone bought a robotron, issued a chargeback and got to keep the machine and their money. John got nothing, even with him paying the CC fees. Expensive lesson for sure.

Another seller had a picture of the buyers loading the machine into their vehicle, with the license plate clearly shown, they were supposed to pay cash but had some cockamamie story about the ATM being out of cash, over the daily limits, etc. so they did the transaction right there on their phone, seller took pics and everything.... yup, chargeback. He sent the pictures in and PP didn't care a whit who was loading what when.

Cash isn't always king either, sometimes there's counterfeit bills in there! Ugh.

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