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SB-100 no sound

By GulDukat

6 years ago


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#43 5 years ago

Trying to revive an old topic here.

Running in to similar issue with my 79' Stern Dracula. I did a plug and play wire harness to replace all 64 connectors from the MPU to the SP-100 and replaced the connectors from the SB to the Speaker/ETC. Other than sound, the game is working properly. I have been doing some reading on here, but haven't found a good place to start diagnostics to find the issue on the board. Any help would be appreciated.

Side note, a month or so ago I wiggled the cable harness and got sound for a couple hours, but a pop bumper stopped working, then the sound quit and the pop came back, coincidence?

Thanks in advance

#45 5 years ago
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What test tools have you got? i.e. multimeter, logic probe, oscilloscope?
Have you measured voltages at all the test points on the SB100 sound board and if yes can you list them?

Thanks for the quick help, I’m relatively new to ownership so I’ve been investing in tools as I need them. Currently only have a multimeter. Haven’t tested anything yet because i wasn’t sure where to start, what ohms I should be see across what, etc.
I was forced to take a few electrical eng classes in college but have forgotten most of that. Relearning how to read elictrical diagrams would probably be a big help. Guess I should start there.

3 weeks later
#47 5 years ago
Quoted from Quench:

Any chance you can post a picture of your multimeter or a web link showing which it is? Just makes it easier to tell you how to set it.
The sound board has a number of test points marked TP1 through to TP9 scattered around the board.
The first step in diagnosis is to measure the voltages at the test points. Set your multimeter to DC voltage. If your meter is not auto-ranging set it to the 20V scale.
Connect the black meter lead to test point TP4. This is the ground test point on the board. Use the red meter lead to measure the voltages on all other test points on the sound board. Report what you find.
For reference, below is the clearest scan of the sound board schematic I've come across on the web.
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Sorry I’ve been so slow. Life got busy for a while. Below are results with meter on 20v and picture of meter and board#

I only saw tp 1-7, using tp4 as ground I found
Tp1 - .07
Tp2 - 2.56
Tp3 - 2.58
Tp4 - ground
Tp5 - 2.55
Tp6 - 5.07
Tp7 - 14.4

Thanks for the help

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#49 5 years ago
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No voltage at TP1.. This is meant to have 5V power for the logic chips on the sound board.
Most likely that purple multi-wire connector is hooked up incorrectly in one side. Pin 1 of the connector on the MPU board is on the right, pin 32 is on the left. From memory pin 1 on that sound board is also on its right side and pin 32 on the left. So make sure that cable is connected so the matching pin numbers mate.

Per the cable kit I ordered, the grey wire is pin1. Which matches what you stated above.
I decided to reseat the connectors to see if I could get lucky. I was a pin off on the second set of pins on J5 on the main board (marked on drawing). Got a sound that sounded like every tone going off at once, and had 5v across tp1. Put the second 32 pin back to flush and no sound or anything on Tp1

Not sure if any of that means anything but figured I’d report back to the guys who know more than myself.

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#52 5 years ago
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What exactly has changed between you having 5V at TP1 and now not having any voltage at TP1?

I was reseating the connectors to try and get lucky. When I plugged in the second set of 32. I missed the #1 connector, or the number 33 pin for the set of 64.

It made nosies so I checked the voltage and had 5v then noticed I missed a pin and moved it over, lost my 5v

3 weeks later
#54 5 years ago
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Remove the sound board and have a good look at the soldering on the pins of the J1 connector on the back of the board. Some of those pins might have fractured soldering which you'll need to resolder.
If you can, post a clear high res picture showing the soldering on that connector before you resolder any pins for our curiosity. Also a picture showing the actual pins in case they're badly tarnished/corroded which might be giving you poor connectivity. Check the 32 pin J5 connector on the MPU board too for tarnished/corroded pins (though your MPU board does otherwise look in decent condition).

Alright, finally got some time tonight. Pictures below. I notice some blackish looking areas on the back of the sound board, could be the culprit

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#56 5 years ago
Quoted from Quench:

You mean the dark spot above the middle of the long connector? I can't tell if the trace is burnt, or whether it's just solder rosin. Can you check and comment?
Are you measuring 5 volts at the TP1 test point on the sound board now?
BTW, I can't quite tell from your pictures but the J5 pin header on the MPU board doesn't look in good shape (tarnished).

Well, we have sound!
I ended up lightly hitting the j5 pins with a wire brush just to knock surface stuff off, and I switched the 1-16 and 17-32 connectors on both boards and when I booted up there was sound!

I appreciate the help with this, hopefully it wasn’t a fluke, I’ll kick power back on tomorrow and see what happens,

Now one pop bumper rebuild (gonna be another first for me) and drac will be %100

Thanks again

#58 5 years ago
Quoted from Quench:

Cool. If the tin plating fell off and exposed the copper/brass on some pins from the wire brush, then longer term the problem might come back at which point you'll probably have to replace that J5 pin header on the MPU board. If you're not equipped to do it, just leave it and see how it goes.

Thanks, I tried my best to hit it as lightly as I could, doing some reading on pin connectors i saw stuff opposing really getting into them because of the reason you mentioned above. I haven’t replace a pin header yet, and have only soldered on a board once. But From my short experience so far, I’ll have to figure it out sooner or later haha.

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