ebay.com link: Williams Safe Cracker Pinball Lot Of 100 NOS MAGIC TOKENS WITH 2 SILVER

Link that works.

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Are the silver ones rare?

Yes.

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I might add I don't know the percentage, but they are real silver.

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Now you do.

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When the game shipped, it came with a box of 300 tokens. And supposed to be around 6 silver ones included to try and entice players to keep playing and trying to win the silver ones.

Early boxes of 300 when you bought them separately should have some too.

I had the first one from my distributor for test. I opened the factory sealed carton and plastic sleeves of tokens myself, to install in the machine. I didn't have any silver ones included in my set. Williams inquired how my players reacted to the silver ones. I told them there weren't any with my game. I was told there were. I mentioned that I collected coins most of my life and know the difference between brass and silver, and the tubes in the game where they were in are clear lexan, so you could see that all of mine were brass.

I never heard any more about them. No idea if someone at the factory was removing them or what.

So no way of knowing how many are really out there and could be rare like the prototype bronze tokens.

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There was a time before they were remade that you could get $2 or $3 apiece on Ebay. for the brass ones.

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Y'all are telling me these things are real silver?

I always considered them a PITA because they won't work in the coinslot when it's adjusted for the brass tokens.

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Yes. I don't know the quantity, I'm sure it's not a lot. They are worth something.

There are two different sizes. One for America and a slightly different one for Europe. Otherwise they should work, brass or silver. Unless the different size is the issue.

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Weird that yours are all the same design. They came in every design, 27 different ones I think.

I wonder if yours aren't original, but ones that someone made ? That would explain why they don't work in your magic token coin chute.

They should ring like a silver coin when dropped on a table, if silver.

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Hard to say. You'd need the matching EU tokens or they wouldn't work.

Europe had a coin the same size so for export Williams had to change the size.

Same as normal mechs. You need the right coin or it won't work. It tests bounce, thickness, weight, magnetic properties in some mechs, etc. etc.

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I've had others. Cop eating a donut comes to mind. Never paid much attention to them if they actually made a silver one for each of the various designs.

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Real silver colored metal also known as nickel or zinc.

Williams advertised these as having real silver in them. Again I don't know the percentage.

They were trying to get the players to keep playing and collect them once they discovered them.

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I don't know if we'll ever know for sure what was going on.

Flyer said 10 designs, Bally made 20 and one silver. And at least one prototype. Searching it is also referred to as silver tone ? As in not silver.

And as I posted earlier that when Williams wanted to know how my players reacted to the silver token. Clearly one hand didn't know what the other was doing.

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The lackluster sales of Safecracker also ended Pat doing other pinball machines with a game in the backbox.

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Don’t recall. Is there a flyer that states that somewhere?

IPDB mentions it.

The Williams poster had more on it.

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Flyer doesn't - https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=3782&picno=3969&zoom=1

Williams and my distributor claimed it. No idea if Replay or Playmeter ads had anything or not.

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Bummer, was hoping to see how it was marketed. Not sure I would trust a distributor “saying it” they would have pocketed the tokens if they were silver IMO.

I looked on IPDB and didn’t see the reference to silver other than 19 Gold and 1 silver token, which is obviously describing the color of the tokens and not real gold and silver, right?.

https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=3782

The box of 300 tokens was sealed and packed up inside the game. I uncrated my game myself, and there were no silver ones in my package.

Being you'd have to uncrate each game. I'm not sure how many distributors would go to all that work. Real silver or not.

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Good point

There were some antiqued ones as well. Not sure when or why those were done, but I got these from a WMS designer. They all seem to be the same design except the 3 on the right. The prototype is the lower right.

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Guessing that this thread will bring out the token experts so I'll pose this question in hopes of an answer. What a full set of international tokens worth now a days?

Thanks,

No idea. They and the domestic ones were remade at least once.

Maybe completed auctions of any sold on Ebay would provide a clue ?

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There’s a few ways that are non destructive that you can test these to figure out the composition.
The first would be specific gravity.
Weigh the token on a balance scale, then weigh it suspended in water.
Take the actual weight of the token and divide it by the suspended weight and this will give you a number that is the specific gravity of the token.
From there, look it up on a chart of published specific gravities and it will give you the composition within a range.

The other nondestructive method would be X-ray refraction. I own a coin business and we have an XRF machine if someone wants one of these tested.
I can send the token back afterwards.
With this method I call tell you what the composition including trace metals is within one hundredth of a percent of alloys with about a 1.5% margin of error.

I bought a set of seven prototype tokens about 15 years ago. I haven’t looked at them since.

Interesting stuff. I can see where you get your handle from!