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RUSH: Aftermarket metal scoop protectors

By Fordiesel69

2 years ago


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    #11 2 years ago

    With the demand and constraints on the stainless markets right now I can understand Stern not getting them delivered and installed until near production. None of the release livestreams showed one. That being said, if anyone says that pinball is easy and can design one without any flaws they probably claim to walk on water as well. in terms of the big picture of this machine as a whole, in the long run this will be resolved and history will show it as a minor issue.

    That being said, the scoop is VERY narrow compared to previous scoops on Sterns. The wear on the edges is 100% from the ball entering and hitting the sides. Eject is smooth and forward, front edge shows no wear compared to the sides.

    The one at our league location had the metal deformed pretty much after 5 games as the ball had trouble ejecting. Almost immediately wear started on the left edge. We've mylared all the edges on it for now until the fix arrives.

    Having examined this up close, two flaws in my mind, and don't think they can address the first one easily:

    1) Scoop is too narrow. Can't go back and enlarge the holes of the existing pins.

    2) Left and right edges of the metal needs to be u-shaped, wrap around the wood, and fastened on top & bottom of the playfield. The metal Stern used is thick enough, it needs to not move once is place.

    #23 2 years ago
    Quoted from the_carmanizer:

    My scoop is hooped, too - after 2 days. So, frustrating after the amount of $$ I laid out for this brand new machine. Stern says they'll send me a couple of replacement scoops (the same faulty ones) as a temporary measure and says I should tape down the inner metal flaps to the underside. On another note - the literature for the Rush Pro said that Cygnus X-1 (book one and two) would be included as part of the song selections. Cygnus is NOT selectable on my machine. Is the case for others? I've inquired with Stern and they didn't respond. Thanks!
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    Stern said the Cygnus X-1 Book One and Two are included, they didn't say anything about them as song selections. They are being utilized for music for 2 of the wizard modes, which you'll get to if you have a good game.

    #48 2 years ago
    Quoted from indypinhead:

    I haven't played the pin yet, but the new design looks like it inhibit side roll-ins in the scoop, (which might be a good thing). The new design looks like it will require a straight in shot from the flippers now.

    If you look at where the new design is at the kickout curved lid is already in that place which already blocks shots from the side.

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    #64 2 years ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    1 - ‘mando is not narrow like rush
    2 - mando is not a scoop where the ball passes through the playfield- the eject mech is flush with the bottom of the pf vs going into a chute.
    Mando is not a good reference for these reasons - never mind the geometry differences
    True Scoops like addams, tz, etc are more similar- but neither is as small. Kiss is really the closest physical comparison.

    As I posted before its actually the same size scoop as Metallica, that's Mantis' Metallica scoop protector in place:
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    #83 2 years ago

    FYI: I’ve been working with Kerry Mantis and I’ve let him borrow the Stern plate shown in the pics, he is working on a solution and has been for a few weeks. Haven’t said anything so far in order not to get everyone’s hopes us prematurely. He will announce when he has a solution, just requires some patience.

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    #136 2 years ago
    Quoted from Chrizg:

    Does this mantis version fit the pro model cause the pro model doesn’t have that large metal plate that the LE/prem seem to have?

    Quoted from sudsy7:

    That's a good question. ???

    I had access to a Pro in addition to my LE during the prototyping of the protector. The Mech attachments and posts are identical. The only reason I can think of for Stern to use the plate on the Premium/LE was to help the ball transistions between scoops as they behave different on the two versions. That being said I have not physically tried Mantis' prototype to the Pro.

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