This is one of those games where every time I think I have the last problem solved, find or create a new one. Now at start up it shows two players. But never goes to second player after losing the first ball, and never goes to second ball at all in there how many balls you play.

At start up it fires both the player reset coil and the add a player coil on the ad player stepper. It’s not a mechanical problem the stepper is working fine. But I can’t find why it’s firing both coils instead of just the reset.

In fixing the last problem I had to unpin and hinge up the score motor and clean and adjust a number of score motor contacts. I’m afraid I did something to cause the current problem, because this is a new problem, just can’t figure out what..

Thanks, that is what I thought. Have looked twice. The add a player is fired through a switch on the U relay. And by blocking that switch I can keep it from firing. But it looks like the u relay is part of the normal start up. So I think I have to look down stream from the u relay.

Coin unit. Not labeled in my machine, since it adds second through fourth players. Was calling it add a player.

I suspect that since it won’t go to second ball ( but second through how ever many balls kick out and score ) that the two problems are related. And since both started when I was moving and adjusting / cleaning switches on the score motor. That it should be a score motor switch or wire problem. But can’t find it.

Howard, should clarify, wasn't a shotgun cleaning, learned that lesson quite a while ago. Was tracing another problem that went through three different motor switches, and to get to one of them had to pull the pin and tilt up the motor. In doing so, and moving wires to get to the switches needed, sure I goofed up something. Good news, the other problem was with the motor switches and it is solved.

Will do the tracing later this evening after work.

Howard, 1 of 2 fixed. Will start on first player. Not positive but looked like the switch solder tabs on Motor 1C were just touching. Thanks for the help.

Still won’t move to second ball.

And while I was under the playfield decided to fix a few lamp sockets that were loose. And now I have a short in one of the sockets. LOL

Howard, or anyone else who would like to chime in. Good news I found the solder drip, even though I had used a towel under where I was soldering, that caused the light short so that’s fixed.

But feel like I am being dense here. Trough switch is triggering the P relay. But the player unit is not firing. But unless it’s the player unit, I can’t find what makes the game know that it is time to go from ball one to ball two.

When a ball ends and enters the kick out hole, everything seems to work fine, Ball kicks out through trough, drop targets reset, bonus counts down, and if you fire the ball, scoring continues. But the game never moves past ball 1, including the ball count light which stays on 1. What am I missing?

Thanks, that was just the leap of logic my poor brain was missing. So pulled the U relay, cleaned the slate wh to slate black contact. Put it back. It pulls as soon as first point scores. But was very short on time and can’t tell if ball count advancing because now all back box lights are out. Jeeeezzzzzzz. Something to figure out when I can get back to it in the next couple of days.

Sudsy, the "other problem" is in a separate thread which I marked complete. See "Royal Flush odd drop target scoring problem" thread. The drops weren't scoring when hit, until at first after something else on the play field that scored points was hit which was a bit of an intermittent problem. Then they went to not scoring at all, and it was one of the three motor switches in that scoring sequence that was the problem. And I don't know which one, as cleaned and adjusted all three, then it worked. But my obvious ham handed moving of the score motor, started the next series of problems.

No, that problem solved. See post number 8 in this thread. At the moment, there are now two problems. Three counting that I seem to be a human wrecking ball when it comes to this game. But of the actual two: Back box lights just went out, and it still won't advance from first to second player even though it will kick a ball out, reset the drop targets, and continue scoring for an infinite number of balls. Which would be pretty cool for running up a huge score, but boring after the 20th or 30th ball and still having the game show ball 1.

Howard, thanks. That is the circuit path I have suspected has the answer to this issue. But still fairly challenged when it comes to reading schematics. And wasn't sure about the turn back from left to right after the motor 1A switch. Haven't had time to work on it tonight. Will try to get back to it this weekend, around ripping out and replacing my bathroom cabinets. Darn life getting in the way of pinball work.

Also, was using jumper wires to try to diagnose trough switch to P relay, and think that is when I did something to blow back box lights. So first order of business, will be checking fuses for those lights.

As always, appreciate the help.

FIXED. Thank you Thank you Howard. Motor switch C2. The old it looks like it’s touching when closed, honest it does. But it wasn’t. Adjusted a little tighter, and bingo. Or more correctly, second ball.

Now just a few minor lamp fixes, and other adjustment tweaks and it’s ready to make the final decision, add to my line up, or sell it. Will play it a while before deciding. But so far it’s brutal to play. 30,000 points feels like an accomplishment, and that’s not even half way to a free game.

Thanks, number two got me on this one. Visually I couldn’t see a gap. But in the last diagnosing with power off and turning motor wheel by hand, saw the contact didn’t move slightly when supposedly closed. Adjusted the gap tighter, and fixed.