I have delt with many ops in the past/present and when they have a routed POS and say anything that has to do with ebay prices or internet prices, I shut down and don't care about getting that machine anymore, Give them the cold shoulder and walk away, without even making an offer, they can set on those POS routed games. But on a side note I have gotten many many deals from ops, These ops look at there books and see where they are at on the machine price wise and then base that price on it, Not a fast search of ebay and bam a FUN auction pops up and that is what they want for it. So some ops will give good numbers and others just walk away from not even worth your time. When dealing with ops be patient and don't be afraid to walk, Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket and the deals will come.