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Rollergames backbox lower row lights don't work help

By Star_Gazer

4 years ago


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#1 4 years ago

The lower row of the lights in the backbox do not turn on.
Where does this single brown/red wire go? Should it be to J11-6?

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#2 4 years ago

https://www.ipdb.org/files/2006/Williams_1990_Rollergames_Manual.pdf
On page 94, is the backbox interconnect board schematic

Your bottom row of lights in the backbox is the General Illumination (GI) lamps that runs on ~6VAC. On the same page of the manual shows the GI circuit. So depending on which colored wires go to that GI string, would take you to a possible burnt connection. Start with pulling J6, J7, J9, and J10 to inspect for any burnt pins. Fuse. F1 to F4, could even be blown, depending on the colored wire that goes to that string. Make sure you pull the fuse off the board and test continuity with a meter. Rollergames GI wiring (resized).pngRollergames GI wiring (resized).png

#3 4 years ago

Page 96 shows the wiring a bit better. On the far right, you can see the 'insert board' is the white backbox board door that swings open and has a relay board attached to the backside of the door. If post #2 checks out ok with the fuses and has no burnt pins/connectors, then this relay board will be the next thing to check over.
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#4 4 years ago
Quoted from Star_Gazer:

The lower row of the lights in the backbox do not turn on.

Are you referring to the controlled lamps for the W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S letters?

#5 4 years ago

DumbAss no only the lower lights behind the translite, its controlled using a relay (for flashing etc), from the relay board there is a a brown/red wire that should go to j11, but i dont know the nr of the pin. the whole j11 connector should be empy, besides that 1 red/brown wire.

PinballManiac40 thanks, but its still confusing to me, later models of Rollergames do have only 1 wire on the j11 connector, is just have to know the nr of the pin.

#6 4 years ago

to clarify my question, the j11 connector does have only one 1 wire that goes to the relay board, on what pin should be that brown/red wire?

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#7 4 years ago

Page 97 shows the interconnect signals better going to the relay board. Yes, pin 6 is correct.Rollergames Backbox interconnect signals (resized).pngRollergames Backbox interconnect signals (resized).png
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#8 4 years ago

I do not think your problem lies with that brn/red wire. That is the signal from the CPU to turn off/on both backbox GI strings at the same time. If it was not turning off/on, all the backbox GI lamps would be out. If you unplug the 2 pin connector from the backbox GI relay, the GI lamps should stay on all the time.

If you already checked over everything in post #2, you can also have burnt pins/wiring (of the other 4 wires) at the relay board in the backbox or even bad solder joints on any of the parts on the relay board.

You could swap the backbox GI relay with the playfield GI relay (mounted on the underside of the playfield, likely close to the back left corner if I recall) to rule it out. They are the same board. Or just resolder every part on the back of the backbox GI relay, as there could be broken solder joints.

#9 4 years ago

@pinballmaniac40 Yes you were right, it was a burnt pin on j10, cleaned it a bit and it works now! thanks! btw that one brown/red wire is now on pin j11 pin11 (maybe 6 is also fine, but not going to try that), and was indeed to "unpower" the all backbox lights. Also tested to pull out that small plug on the relay board, and then all the lights will stay on, so also confirmed.

#10 4 years ago
Quoted from Star_Gazer:

was a burnt pin on j10, cleaned it a bit

Time to change a connector/pins. Glad it you found a reason the GI string was out.

#11 4 years ago
Quoted from Star_Gazer:

btw that one brown/red wire is now on pin j11 pin11 (maybe 6 is also fine, but not going to try that),

If you had moved the wire from pin 6 to 11, that now ties the 6VAC GI to flasher 6C, which is a different voltage, 18VDC, if I recall. The two voltages will clash and I suspect a blown fuse if you are lucky.

#12 4 years ago

You sure? because it was already like that on the connector, i saw a small piece of the wire in the connector. Also in the 2 youtube of tnt it seems it should be 11:

#13 4 years ago

Well, it is quite possible the manual is wrong. Need to hear from someone with a Rollergames. I sold mine more than 2 years ago.

#14 4 years ago

Maybe the manual is showing the early type of Rollergames? they had extra flashers behind the translite, also the j11 connector had more wires, for controlling these flashers. played a couple of games, seems to be fine. (Awesome game btw

#15 4 years ago

Yep. I do miss mine but you can't own them all.

#16 4 years ago

Here's a photo for you. It looks like the manual is correct and for an early production Rollergames.

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#17 4 years ago

Anyone with a newer Rollergames? (without the flashers in the backbox)

#18 4 years ago
Quoted from Star_Gazer:

You sure? because it was already like that on the connector, i saw a small piece of the wire in the connector. Also in the 2 youtube of tnt it seems it should be 11:

You're mis-reading the numbers. I watched the relevant part. The single wire in the video is connected to pin #6 NOT #11 as you've written. The pin numbering starts at the right and increases to the left.

10 months later
#19 3 years ago
Quoted from DumbAss:

Are you referring to the controlled lamps for the W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S letters?

Hi, Do you know how to deal with an issue with WILLIAMS lights on Rollergames? Mine are out despite power to the sockets.

1 month later
#20 3 years ago

DumbAss No still dont work, but did not look at them any more..

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