Quoted from Rockytop:I hated Episodes 1-3. I wish Disney would redo them. Lucas had the chance of telling a great story and totally failed
They won't though because those are the only movies they own the rights till like 2020. Then they get Empire and Jedi's rights but Fox will always part own Star Wars unless some kind of deal works out.
I absolutely love them both and couldn't put one over the other. There's far too much to like in both of them for me to have any personal gripes. That said, no film is perfect and they both have the opposite problem of the other. The characters in The Force Awakens are fully realized, fleshed out, and just plain likeable. The story beats take second to them with its familiarity. The story in Rogue One is brand new and completely compelling, but the characters are all interchangeable.
Just saw Rogue One and would give the film a solid C as a grade. Remove all the iconic things about the initial trilogy (including the ending), and you just have a ho-hum story with a pretty bad script at times. I still enjoyed Force Awakens better, but as I said to my wife, this movie was better than having no new SW movie at all. Looking at it that way, I'm pretty happy with it.
Quoted from Neal_W:I thought the Tarkin CGI was adequate, but I am surprised they did not do a better job with the coarse looking Leia CGI. Move the camera back or add some smoke. UGH, too fake!
I agree with all of that... Tarkin integration was pretty good, but I felt like the movie was interrupted with a commercial for an upcoming Rogue One video game simply because of the closeups. With some of the video game commercials it also takes a couple moments to register it is CGI, but it is unmistakable and ultimately distracting as I start focusing on the unnatural eye and mouth movement rather than the dialogue. It's fine in the movie, but the director needs to do a better job working around its issues.
Quoted from beelzeboob:give the film a solid C as a grade
Quoted from beelzeboob:I'm pretty happy with it.
So your pretty happy with a Solid C movie.... 
I loved Force Awakens. I absolutely hated Rogue One.
The first 75 or so minutes of Rogue One actually made me not care about Star Wars. That is impossible to do, because I am programmed to only care about Star Wars (don't let my pinside name fool you).
Where to begin? What makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie? Opening crawl...missing. Star Wars theme found throughout the music...missing. Wilhelm scream...missing. Wipes...missing. I have a bad feeling about this...95% of the line made it into the movie. Already, for the little things that add up, for the most part are completely missing from the movie.
The story itself...extremely weak. Wife gets killed, so the father decides to help the Empire...huh? Why? I thought the death star leader was very explicit when he said "We can't build this without you." So then why help at all? In Episode 2, the plans seemed to be complete, hence Count Dooku holding on to them. Then at the end of 3, construction on the death star is already underway.
The father - daughter story line added what exactly? It added absolutely nothing to the movie. Gyn wants nothing to do with Cassian because he didn't kill her father. YET, the Rebellion who did kill her father, she pleads with them to fight.
The purposely designed flaw in the death star...To help the rebels, daddy Erso left a design flaw in the Death Star. All the Rebels needed to do was break in, steal the plans, then analyze the plans to find the weakness, then send small ships against the death star to hit an exhaust port that is 2 meters wide...Remember, it is a shot that a computer can't hit. Luke was only able to hit the shot because of the Force. So while this plot line is playing out through the movie, all I could think was if Edwards has ever actually seen Star Wars.
Let's look at the Rebellion. They actually had a meeting about giving up. Are you kidding me? Then the one lady actually asks "Do you mean we are going to war?" Um...hello...the very first line of the crawl to 4 reads "It is a period of Civil War." Then there's the conversation with Luke and C3PO during his oil bath, where C3PO talks about the Rebellion against the Empire. And how they have been in several battles.
Let's go to the last battle. It was a direct ripoff of Jedi in how they land on the planet. I'm still waiting for the SPIES to steal the plans. All we saw was a robbery. Opening crawl of 4 was very clear when it said "Rebel spies steal the plans to the death star." As I said, I'm still waiting for the spies. Then there's the ramming of one star destroyer into another cutting it in half...really?? Just because you have the technology to do something, doesn't mean you should.
Let's talk about Vader. The first Vader scene, he is taking a bath. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. Then, he uses a pun. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. So in a matter in 90 seconds, 2 things that I never thought we would see...we saw. I thought it was made 100% clear that Vader's suit is what keeps him alive...so when he takes off his suit to take a bath, he can stay alive...whatever. His 2nd scene was 100% Star Wars porn. Lucas made a mistake by not showing us that Vader in 3. That scene of him taking down the rebels coupled with 4, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Opening of 4, he lets the storm troopers do all the work.
Follow along: Vader watches Tantive IV fly away. in 4, he says "Several transmissions were sent to this ship. I want to know what happen to the plans they sent you." Then Leia says "I don't know what you're talking about..." To which Vader should've said "What do you mean? I watched you fly away...you can't fool me." But no, we get none of that. Instead, a few seconds later Vader says "I have traced the Rebel spies to her, now she is my only link to finding the Rebel base." I didn't see any tracing in Rogue One. I saw Vader watch her fly away. Secondly, in Rogue One, Vader is on a Rebel ship with higher ups on it. Looks like he has more than 1 link to finding the Rebel base.
The word "hope." How many times was it used in this movie? Way overplayed.
What on earth is what all of those easter eggs? Talk about taking the focus off of your movie.
The characters. The only character I cared about was KS2O. Sorry, but if a droid is the only character I could care about...then you did something seriously wrong.
The 2 Chinese guys...what was their purpose? They didn't add anything interesting to the story. They were just there.
The Forest Whitacre character...he added nothing to the movie.
Death troopers...protection for the higher ups...yet, nowhere to be found in the original trilogy. All the different TIE fighter designs? What??? TIE Advance was designed to counter the X-Wings.
So let's start rating the movie:
Script: D
Music: F
Characters: F
Story: F
Ability to tie into Star Wars: F
Special Effects: A+
Tarkin & Leia special effect: F
I lay 100% of the blame on Gareth Edwards. What he did to Godzilla, he did to Star Wars. Please keep this man as far away from Star Wars as possible.
Quoted from Mitch:So your pretty happy with a Solid C movie....
Yes. As I said, it's better than no SW movie at all this year. Missed that part, eh? 
Quoted from Trekkie1978:I loved Force Awakens. I absolutely hated Rogue One.
The first 75 or so minutes of Rogue One actually made me not care about Star Wars. That is impossible to do, because I am programmed to only care about Star Wars (don't let my pinside name fool you).
Where to begin? What makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie? Opening crawl...missing. Star Wars theme found throughout the music...missing. Wilhelm scream...missing. Wipes...missing. I have a bad feeling about this...95% of the line made it into the movie. Already, for the little things that add up, for the most part are completely missing from the movie.
The story itself...extremely weak. Wife gets killed, so the father decides to help the Empire...huh? Why? I thought the death star leader was very explicit when he said "We can't build this without you." So then why help at all? In Episode 2, the plans seemed to be complete, hence Count Dooku holding on to them. Then at the end of 3, construction on the death star is already underway.
The father - daughter story line added what exactly? It added absolutely nothing to the movie. Gyn wants nothing to do with Cassian because he didn't kill her father. YET, the Rebellion who did kill her father, she pleads with them to fight.
The purposely designed flaw in the death star...To help the rebels, daddy Erso left a design flaw in the Death Star. All the Rebels needed to do was break in, steal the plans, then analyze the plans to find the weakness, then send small ships against the death star to hit an exhaust port that is 2 meters wide...Remember, it is a shot that a computer can't hit. Luke was only able to hit the shot because of the Force. So while this plot line is playing out through the movie, all I could think was if Edwards has ever actually seen Star Wars.
Let's look at the Rebellion. They actually had a meeting about giving up. Are you kidding me? Then the one lady actually asks "Do you mean we are going to war?" Um...hello...the very first line of the crawl to 4 reads "It is a period of Civil War." Then there's the conversation with Luke and C3PO during his oil bath, where C3PO talks about the Rebellion against the Empire. And how they have been in several battles.
Let's go to the last battle. It was a direct ripoff of Jedi in how they land on the planet. I'm still waiting for the SPIES to steal the plans. All we saw was a robbery. Opening crawl of 4 was very clear when it said "Rebel spies steal the plans to the death star." As I said, I'm still waiting for the spies. Then there's the ramming of one star destroyer into another cutting it in half...really?? Just because you have the technology to do something, doesn't mean you should.
Let's talk about Vader. The first Vader scene, he is taking a bath. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. Then, he uses a pun. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. So in a matter in 90 seconds, 2 things that I never thought we would see...we saw. I thought it was made 100% clear that Vader's suit is what keeps him alive...so when he takes off his suit to take a bath, he can stay alive...whatever. His 2nd scene was 100% Star Wars porn. Lucas made a mistake by not showing us that Vader in 3. That scene of him taking down the rebels coupled with 4, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Opening of 4, he lets the storm troopers do all the work.
Follow along: Vader watches Tantive IV fly away. in 4, he says "Several transmissions were sent to this ship. I want to know what happen to the plans they sent you." Then Leia says "I don't know what you're talking about..." To which Vader should've said "What do you mean? I watched you fly away...you can't fool me." But no, we get none of that. Instead, a few seconds later Vader says "I have traced the Rebel spies to her, now she is my only link to finding the Rebel base." I didn't see any tracing in Rogue One. I saw Vader watch her fly away. Secondly, in Rogue One, Vader is on a Rebel ship with higher ups on it. Looks like he has more than 1 link to finding the Rebel base.
The word "hope." How many times was it used in this movie? Way overplayed.
What on earth is what all of those easter eggs? Talk about taking the focus off of your movie.
The characters. The only character I cared about was KS2O. Sorry, but if a droid is the only character I could care about...then you did something seriously wrong.
The 2 Chinese guys...what was their purpose? They didn't add anything interesting to the story. They were just there.
The Forest Whitacre character...he added nothing to the movie.
Death troopers...protection for the higher ups...yet, nowhere to be found in the original trilogy. All the different TIE fighter designs? What??? TIE Advance was designed to counter the X-Wings.
So let's start rating the movie:
Script: D
Music: F
Characters: F
Story: F
Ability to tie into Star Wars: F
Special Effects: A+
Tarkin & Leia special effect: F
I lay 100% of the blame on Gareth Edwards. What he did to Godzilla, he did to Star Wars. Please keep this man as far away from Star Wars as possible.
yup, I too only could care about KS2. All the other characters fell flat. Seems to be an ongoing thing in movies lately that nobody focuses on character development, or do not know how to do it right. It's a shame, they seemed like they were close to the mark, but just missed it.
Quoted from beelzeboob:...aaaaaand Carrie Fisher died, so now I'm bummed.
Sad day for SW fans everywhere.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:yup, I too only could care about KS2. All the other characters fell flat. Seems to be an ongoing thing in movies lately that nobody focuses on character development, or do not know how to do it right. It's a shame, they seemed like they were close to the mark, but just missed it.
Let's look at Force Awakens. With Finn & Rey, you like them immediately and understand who they are. Kylo Ren, his first scene he comes across as a badass and you know he means business. The Force Awakens pulls you into the movie with the first scene and doesn't let go until the movie is over. And when the movie is over, you're either dying to see it again or are aggravated to wait 2 years for 8.
I took my 13 year old nephew to the movies last week, he had no desire for the latest SW movie. He wanted to see Assasins Creed so we saw that.
Here's everything that happened in the Roque One movie... The rebels scuttle the specs of the death star away from Empirial reach and then all the characters that starred in the movie die never to be seen again, oh and the death star appears and destroys 2 cities in low power mode. That was my take away.
Nothing furthers the SW storyline, ultimately... utterly forgettable. But admittedly a fun action movie, of which I have no desire to see again.
I enjoyed TFA more so because it's part of a trilogy, breaking new ground, and it expands the SW storyline.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:how was Assasins creed? the wife wants to see that.
Having no prior knowledge of the AC franchise myself, I enjoyed it and was entertained by it. My nephew has played through all the AC games and seemed to know everything about it, he loved it.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:I loved Force Awakens. I absolutely hated Rogue One.
The first 75 or so minutes of Rogue One actually made me not care about Star Wars. That is impossible to do, because I am programmed to only care about Star Wars (don't let my pinside name fool you).
Where to begin? What makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie? Opening crawl...missing. Star Wars theme found throughout the music...missing. Wilhelm scream...missing. Wipes...missing. I have a bad feeling about this...95% of the line made it into the movie. Already, for the little things that add up, for the most part are completely missing from the movie.
The story itself...extremely weak. Wife gets killed, so the father decides to help the Empire...huh? Why? I thought the death star leader was very explicit when he said "We can't build this without you." So then why help at all? In Episode 2, the plans seemed to be complete, hence Count Dooku holding on to them. Then at the end of 3, construction on the death star is already underway.
The father - daughter story line added what exactly? It added absolutely nothing to the movie. Gyn wants nothing to do with Cassian because he didn't kill her father. YET, the Rebellion who did kill her father, she pleads with them to fight.
The purposely designed flaw in the death star...To help the rebels, daddy Erso left a design flaw in the Death Star. All the Rebels needed to do was break in, steal the plans, then analyze the plans to find the weakness, then send small ships against the death star to hit an exhaust port that is 2 meters wide...Remember, it is a shot that a computer can't hit. Luke was only able to hit the shot because of the Force. So while this plot line is playing out through the movie, all I could think was if Edwards has ever actually seen Star Wars.
Let's look at the Rebellion. They actually had a meeting about giving up. Are you kidding me? Then the one lady actually asks "Do you mean we are going to war?" Um...hello...the very first line of the crawl to 4 reads "It is a period of Civil War." Then there's the conversation with Luke and C3PO during his oil bath, where C3PO talks about the Rebellion against the Empire. And how they have been in several battles.
Let's go to the last battle. It was a direct ripoff of Jedi in how they land on the planet. I'm still waiting for the SPIES to steal the plans. All we saw was a robbery. Opening crawl of 4 was very clear when it said "Rebel spies steal the plans to the death star." As I said, I'm still waiting for the spies. Then there's the ramming of one star destroyer into another cutting it in half...really?? Just because you have the technology to do something, doesn't mean you should.
Let's talk about Vader. The first Vader scene, he is taking a bath. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. Then, he uses a pun. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. So in a matter in 90 seconds, 2 things that I never thought we would see...we saw. I thought it was made 100% clear that Vader's suit is what keeps him alive...so when he takes off his suit to take a bath, he can stay alive...whatever. His 2nd scene was 100% Star Wars porn. Lucas made a mistake by not showing us that Vader in 3. That scene of him taking down the rebels coupled with 4, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Opening of 4, he lets the storm troopers do all the work.
Follow along: Vader watches Tantive IV fly away. in 4, he says "Several transmissions were sent to this ship. I want to know what happen to the plans they sent you." Then Leia says "I don't know what you're talking about..." To which Vader should've said "What do you mean? I watched you fly away...you can't fool me." But no, we get none of that. Instead, a few seconds later Vader says "I have traced the Rebel spies to her, now she is my only link to finding the Rebel base." I didn't see any tracing in Rogue One. I saw Vader watch her fly away. Secondly, in Rogue One, Vader is on a Rebel ship with higher ups on it. Looks like he has more than 1 link to finding the Rebel base.
The word "hope." How many times was it used in this movie? Way overplayed.
What on earth is what all of those easter eggs? Talk about taking the focus off of your movie.
The characters. The only character I cared about was KS2O. Sorry, but if a droid is the only character I could care about...then you did something seriously wrong.
The 2 Chinese guys...what was their purpose? They didn't add anything interesting to the story. They were just there.
The Forest Whitacre character...he added nothing to the movie.
Death troopers...protection for the higher ups...yet, nowhere to be found in the original trilogy. All the different TIE fighter designs? What??? TIE Advance was designed to counter the X-Wings.
So let's start rating the movie:
Script: D
Music: F
Characters: F
Story: F
Ability to tie into Star Wars: F
Special Effects: A+
Tarkin & Leia special effect: F
I lay 100% of the blame on Gareth Edwards. What he did to Godzilla, he did to Star Wars. Please keep this man as far away from Star Wars as possible.
Mon Mothma says in IV that many Bothans died to bring them the plans. The ending of R1 didn't have anyone resembling a Bothan from what I read years ago.
IV tells you how to write the script of R1. I do get a kick out of how I-III and R1 seem to have ships with better tech than what IV has.
Oh, and why are none of the capitol ships shooting at each other in R1? Ackbar knew (will know?) how a gunfight was supposed to go.
Quoted from desertT1:Mon Mothma says in IV that many Bothans died to bring them the plans. The ending of R1 didn't have anyone resembling a Bothan from what I read years ago.
IV tells you how to write the script of R1. I do get a kick out of how I-III and R1 seem to have ships with better tech than what IV has.
Oh, and why are none of the capitol ships shooting at each other in R1? Ackbar knew (will know?) how a gunfight was supposed to go.
Mon Mothma wasn't in 4, she was in 6. She was talking about the Death Star II plans, which the Emperor allowed to be stolen as a trap.
Quoted from desertT1:Mon Mothma says in IV that many Bothans died to bring them the plans. The ending of R1 didn't have anyone resembling a Bothan from what I read years ago.
Thats regarding the plans for the 2nd death star and she said that in VI (ROTJ) not IV. I totally disagree on the tech with the ships, I thought the tech looks really close to IV, whereas I totally agree with you on I-III. That always bothered me in the prequels. The Star Trek movies did the same thing.
Quoted from bigdaddy07:Thats regarding the plans for the 2nd death star and she said that in VI (ROTJ) not IV. I totally disagree on the tech with the ships, I thought the tech looks really close to IV, whereas I totally agree with you on I-III. That always bothered me in the prequels. The Star Trek movies did the same thing.
That was done on purpose. It's to show how technology stopped advancing under the Empire.
Think of Venezuela.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:That was done on purpose. It's to show how technology stopped advancing under the Empire.
Think of Venezuela.
So your saying that the empire was a bunch of commies? I never thought of them that way really, though they may have been. Since they never really explained it that way for certain, it's hard to say if that's what they meant to do or just a shortsighted movie blunder.
I'd say they would be more fascist based on this philosophy that I found for it.
"The state must gain glory through constant conquest and war. The past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed. The individual has no value outside of his or her role in promoting the glory of the State."
That would make them closer to Nazi Germany.
Quoted from bigdaddy07:So your saying that the empire was a bunch of commies? I never thought of them that way really, though they may have been. Since they never really explained it that way for certain, it's hard to say if that's what they meant to do or just a shortsighted movie blunder.
I'd say they would be more fascist based on this philosophy that I found for it.
"The state must gain glory through constant conquest and war. The past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed. The individual has no value outside of his or her role in promoting the glory of the State."
That would make them closer to Nazi Germany.
There's a deleted scene in 4, where Biggs tells Luke to join the Rebellion, because eventually the Empire will take over his Uncle's farm.
In the prequels, the republic does t have an army. After the empire takes over, they have a huge army. Got to pay for it somehow.
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Quoted from Trekkie1978:I loved Force Awakens. I absolutely hated Rogue One.
The first 75 or so minutes of Rogue One actually made me not care about Star Wars. That is impossible to do, because I am programmed to only care about Star Wars (don't let my pinside name fool you).
Where to begin? What makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie? Opening crawl...missing. Star Wars theme found throughout the music...missing. Wilhelm scream...missing. Wipes...missing. I have a bad feeling about this...95% of the line made it into the movie. Already, for the little things that add up, for the most part are completely missing from the movie.
The story itself...extremely weak. Wife gets killed, so the father decides to help the Empire...huh? Why? I thought the death star leader was very explicit when he said "We can't build this without you." So then why help at all? In Episode 2, the plans seemed to be complete, hence Count Dooku holding on to them. Then at the end of 3, construction on the death star is already underway.
The father - daughter story line added what exactly? It added absolutely nothing to the movie. Gyn wants nothing to do with Cassian because he didn't kill her father. YET, the Rebellion who did kill her father, she pleads with them to fight.
The purposely designed flaw in the death star...To help the rebels, daddy Erso left a design flaw in the Death Star. All the Rebels needed to do was break in, steal the plans, then analyze the plans to find the weakness, then send small ships against the death star to hit an exhaust port that is 2 meters wide...Remember, it is a shot that a computer can't hit. Luke was only able to hit the shot because of the Force. So while this plot line is playing out through the movie, all I could think was if Edwards has ever actually seen Star Wars.
Let's look at the Rebellion. They actually had a meeting about giving up. Are you kidding me? Then the one lady actually asks "Do you mean we are going to war?" Um...hello...the very first line of the crawl to 4 reads "It is a period of Civil War." Then there's the conversation with Luke and C3PO during his oil bath, where C3PO talks about the Rebellion against the Empire. And how they have been in several battles.
Let's go to the last battle. It was a direct ripoff of Jedi in how they land on the planet. I'm still waiting for the SPIES to steal the plans. All we saw was a robbery. Opening crawl of 4 was very clear when it said "Rebel spies steal the plans to the death star." As I said, I'm still waiting for the spies. Then there's the ramming of one star destroyer into another cutting it in half...really?? Just because you have the technology to do something, doesn't mean you should.
Let's talk about Vader. The first Vader scene, he is taking a bath. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. Then, he uses a pun. Something I never thought I would ever describe Vader doing. So in a matter in 90 seconds, 2 things that I never thought we would see...we saw. I thought it was made 100% clear that Vader's suit is what keeps him alive...so when he takes off his suit to take a bath, he can stay alive...whatever. His 2nd scene was 100% Star Wars porn. Lucas made a mistake by not showing us that Vader in 3. That scene of him taking down the rebels coupled with 4, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Opening of 4, he lets the storm troopers do all the work.
Follow along: Vader watches Tantive IV fly away. in 4, he says "Several transmissions were sent to this ship. I want to know what happen to the plans they sent you." Then Leia says "I don't know what you're talking about..." To which Vader should've said "What do you mean? I watched you fly away...you can't fool me." But no, we get none of that. Instead, a few seconds later Vader says "I have traced the Rebel spies to her, now she is my only link to finding the Rebel base." I didn't see any tracing in Rogue One. I saw Vader watch her fly away. Secondly, in Rogue One, Vader is on a Rebel ship with higher ups on it. Looks like he has more than 1 link to finding the Rebel base.
The word "hope." How many times was it used in this movie? Way overplayed.
What on earth is what all of those easter eggs? Talk about taking the focus off of your movie.
The characters. The only character I cared about was KS2O. Sorry, but if a droid is the only character I could care about...then you did something seriously wrong.
The 2 Chinese guys...what was their purpose? They didn't add anything interesting to the story. They were just there.
The Forest Whitacre character...he added nothing to the movie.
Death troopers...protection for the higher ups...yet, nowhere to be found in the original trilogy. All the different TIE fighter designs? What??? TIE Advance was designed to counter the X-Wings.
So let's start rating the movie:
Script: D
Music: F
Characters: F
Story: F
Ability to tie into Star Wars: F
Special Effects: A+
Tarkin & Leia special effect: F
I lay 100% of the blame on Gareth Edwards. What he did to Godzilla, he did to Star Wars. Please keep this man as far away from Star Wars as possible.
Hmmm I liked the space ships.
Quoted from Yipykya:Having no prior knowledge of the AC franchise myself, I enjoyed it and was entertained by it. My nephew has played through all the AC games and seemed to know everything about it, he loved it.
AC story is epic...I'm playing through Black Flag now.
I thought Episode 1 could have been edited to a 15 minute short called, Darth Maul: Sith Apprentice.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:Rogue one had a very slow confusing start. Jumped around from character to character so much, you really didn't have the time to bond with any of the characters. Lacked character development because of this. I understand they had a lot of material to cover in a 2 hour block. But there was a lot of things that didn't need to be there.
And the Darth vader scene looked forced for the fan boys. It was out of place and shouldn't have been there. Remember, this is NOT young darth vader. This is not the ass kicker version. This is the guy that controls his puppets and gets shit done. Not darth maul ass kicker. But they didn't have a lot of hand to hand action and thought they needed some sort of action sequence, even if it didn't fit and looked thrown in.
Rogue one was ok, but definitely not epic.
Force awakens is too early to tell. The SW movies are based on the trilogy, not an individual movie. It had so many similarities to the original SW, that it almost felt boring in some aspects. But it laid groundwork, so it's too early to tell if it was garbage or golden. After EP1, the trilogy could have been saved if EP2, and 3 were awesome. But they were not, and actually got worse as they went on, making one of the worst trilogy's ever filmed. Force awakens has potential of being something really good.
This is the hot take right here.
I couldn't care less about the characters in R1. I saw R1 today and I don't remember the name of a character.
The ending was great but it was a lot to slog thru to get there.
Quoted from dmbjunky:After hearing of Carrie Fisher's death I wanted to watch the OT. It's so frustrating that the only version available is the hacked up new versions. I may have to dig out my VHS or CED player to watch the original versions.
The originals are all out there.
Well...I was hoping R1 would be decent but for me it was a fail. The first 30 min was a complete snooze fest. The whole story line was forgettable and not needed. In episode IV we already know people died to get the plans for the Death Star. Someone pointed out numerous flaws that make this film horrible. Especially the designed "flaw" in the Death Star. Pretty far from a flaw if it takes Luke and the force to make the shot.
And the scrolling storyline at the beginning is classic.....is it needed, no but it's keeping the tradition of the opening to set the tone/stage for the movie. The iconic music was largely missing. Could have incorporated it a little better.
So is TFA is supposed to be episode VII? Is R1 supposed to be episode 3.5???? WTF are they doing with the new movies? I don't get it.
The reason episodes IV-VI worked is because it was a 3 act tragedy. It was a simple formula of good vs evil and we believed in the characters and their story.
Quoted from Pickle:So is TFA is supposed to be episode VII? Is R1 supposed to be episode 3.5???? WTF are they doing with the new movies? I don't get it.
TFA is absolutely episode 7, and it will be followed by episodes 8 and 9. Some people are calling R1 episode 3.5, but I view it as more of a prelude to episode 4.
I do like the concept of telling stories in the Star Wars universe that don't involve Skywalkers. That's why I was more excited for Rogue One than TFA but the story and characters weren't memorable. It seems the problem was with the script because visually the film is impressive and despite not having the John Williams score I thought it was subtle and effective.
I hope they give it another try but this doesn't make me anymore confident in the Han Solo movie.
Quoted from dmbjunky:After hearing of Carrie Fisher's death I wanted to watch the OT. It's so frustrating that the only version available is the hacked up new versions. I may have to dig out my VHS or CED player to watch the original versions.
I have all the originals (in DVD form from original laserdics) in their theatrical released form. So original in fact, that the original SW is not called , A new Hope in the beginning scroll text.
The reason R1 does not have the iconic music and scrolling beginning text, is because they wante to keep it separate from the main movies as it's a side movie of the original movies.
That was my thinking to, so what is the main story thru all the movies?
The force and jedi good against evil?
R1 had no jedi. I would have liked the blind dude to have been a jedi but that would have created to much controversy.
I really enjoyed the ip man flicks.
TFA villain sucked just a spoilt Brat. Couldn't watch TFA again was quite disappointed.
Quoted from Rockytop:As far as The Force Awakens...I didn't like the whiny baby Kylo Ren. They killed (perhaps forced by Harrison Ford) the only real interesting character.
not really, his impact in that movie was soft, corny rehashed one liners were old and predictable....
over acting in some scenes as well..
love Harrison, but not in that movie, sorry..
Quoted from dmbjunky:despite not having the John Williams score I thought it was subtle and effective.
Ehh I'd have to disagree with you there. The score was the only thing that stood out to me - and I'm not sure in a good way. It felt VERY much like Michael Giacchino's previous work with the new Star Trek reboot. It seems to me like he only has one style.
I think I liked TFA a bit better because I know I have more to look forward to with those characters. I definitely enjoyed R1, but it'll be interesting to see how it stands the test of rewatchability.
The Force Awakens: 8/10
Rogue One: 7/10
I heard Michael Giacchino being interviewed on a local radio show. He said he got the R1 job a the last minute and only had 4 weeks to complete it. Sounds like that's a much shorter time frame then he was used to working with. However, on the flip side, he also said that since it was so last minute, the version of the film he got to create the music to was the most complete cut of any film he had worked on.
I enjoyed the score, and the ending of R1. Didn't really care about the rest of it. Thought it was somewhat boring. 2 hours and 13 minutes is long. If it would have been closer to 1.5 hours, I likely would have enjoyed it more.
As far as TFA. I agree that was more or less a clone of ANH, but I still enjoyed it more than R1.
Quoted from Pahuffman:The score was the only thing that stood out to me - and I'm not sure in a good way. It felt VERY much like Michael Giacchino's previous work with the new Star Trek reboot. It seems to me like he only has one style.
If you think Giacchino only has one style, you really need to watch "Lost". The man is a musical genius.
Quoted from Xerico:For me, Rogue One is the winner. In fact, I place Rogue One in my top three.
That's how I feel about it...so well done...almost perfect. Please don't disrespect it by putting it up against "The Force Awakens". I think it's probably second after "New Hope". It clearly showed it was made by someone who loved the original SW and he did not want to forsaken that cannon by making it more family friendly so they can make more money (calling JJ Abrams...). He put so many homages in this thing that I was shaking my head and giggling like a little girl....the fight scene in the middle with the blind guy vs. the stormtroopers just had me going wow. As it's been said the last 10 minutes will go down in SW history.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:I loved Force Awakens. I absolutely hated Rogue One.
In the immortal words of George Kennedy..."You know nothing".
Not my words: No link sorry, the website it was posted on is down.
"I don’t want to spoil the plot of “The Force Awakens,” but if you’ve seen “A New Hope,” that job’s already been done for you. Mild spoilers ahead. Ahem:
Cute little danger-magnet robot rolling around everywhere with the Key To The Plot housed in its cute little memory banks? Check.
Daring escape from a desolate desert planet in a hella fast spaceship that everybody thinks is a hunk of junk? Check.
Menacing dude with a red lightsaber and hella force powers and a scary-looking mask that gives him a robot voice? Jesus, yes.
Scuzzy space-bar populated by a menagerie of funny-looking aliens? Seriously?
A squadron of rebellious X-wings getting picked off one by one by TIE fighters while attempting to blow up a planet-sized weapon that is coming ever closer to destroying the verdant planet that houses their base of operations? Fucking seriously?
A young hero watching helplessly as a cherished mentor dies in front of them at the hands of the menacing black-clad dude? I AM NOT EVEN TRYING, HERE, YOU GUYS."
Saw it again today. I definitely put it up there with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, top 3. I wish they would have stuck with the original opening score and music, it is Star Wars.
Quoted from kvan99:In the immortal words of George Kennedy..."You know nothing".
Not my words: No link sorry, the website it was posted is down.
"I don’t want to spoil the plot of “The Force Awakens,” but if you’ve seen “A New Hope,” that job’s already been done for you. Mild spoilers ahead. Ahem:
Cute little danger-magnet robot rolling around everywhere with the Key To The Plot housed in its cute little memory banks? Check.
Daring escape from a desolate desert planet in a hella fast spaceship that everybody thinks is a hunk of junk? Check.
Menacing dude with a red lightsaber and hella force powers and a scary-looking mask that gives him a robot voice? Jesus, yes.
Scuzzy space-bar populated by a menagerie of funny-looking aliens? Seriously?
A squadron of rebellious X-wings getting picked off one by one by TIE fighters while attempting to blow up a planet-sized weapon that is coming ever closer to destroying the verdant planet that houses their base of operations? Fucking seriously?
A young hero watching helplessly as a cherished mentor dies in front of them at the hands of the menacing black-clad dude? I AM NOT EVEN TRYING, HERE, YOU GUYS."
Better be careful before pinside's curmudgeon, CrazyLevi, jumps down your throat for daring to nitpick that amazing movie.
Rogue one was way better on almost every level IMO. I was sad that the classic scrolling intro was omitted.
That said I liked episode 7 much better the second time I watched it.
It still feels like a Star Wars movie but Finn just completely over acted every scene.
Kylo Ren was bad by action but he lacked the look or the conviction to make me truly believe how evil he truly is.
The only thing that was kinda far fetched from TFA was how 2 people could be good enough to wield a light saber for the first time and take on a Sith Lord.
Force Awakens for me. I thought Rogue 1 was a bit of a sleeper aside from the ending with Darth Vader. I like the classic characters in Force
Awakens, the plot and introduction of new characters. I look forward to the next installment.
i just rewatched TFA last night. The similarities with EP4, isn't as bad the second time around. There isn't as much fanboy things thrown in as there was with R1, but it's still there, which is really annoying and I hate that hollywood seems to do this in many movies.
TFA is a solid groundwork for the next 2. The characters are likable and you can connect with them much better than R1. R1 has plot holes that do not line up with EP4, and there isn't enough substance to bond with any of the characters (with the minor exception of K2). They barely missed the mark.
But neither are a big steaming pile of absolute shit, like EP 1, 2 and 3 are. Even if you took all the best parts (which are not many) and extracted them from all 3 movies. You could not fill 30 min of usable good story/footage.
really liked Rogue one, except for the animatronic Peter Cushing. I understand for a small part like Carrie Fisher and I think that was dope and how they did Paul Walker in FF7. But to me the Peter Cushing was too much, and quite noticeable to me.
I'd rather they had just replaced the actor like in Harry Potter movies.
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