Whether or not rap is music is debatable. It's certainly not created by musicians. What's not debatable is that it's not rock and roll and therefore does not belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Now, even with ALL of that being said, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has some serious credibility issues in that some of the bands that have gotten in in the minimum amount of time that should have had to wait longer and some that have had to wait 40+ years who should have gotten in in their first year of eligibility.

I love these shows. I think it's a good idea to pay respect in the present.

I'm loving these shows more and more as entertainment and a source of finding new music.

(Not new in the case of hof...)

Like on the Grammys i realized I just love Cardi B. My last name is Bodak too, weird.

I just like her...

Play that Cardi b!

"Definitely Maybe" was released by Oasis in 1994 and so was the the "Blue" album by Weezer. If those aren't two of the "newer" rock acts that deserved consideration in their first year of eligibility, I'd like to know who is.

The one that just killed me was Chris Squire from Yes. He was a founding member, had songwriting credits on most of the songs, was one of the most influential rock bassists of all time and died a year before Yes was inducted. They were inducted about 20 years after the first year of eligibility. That's bullshit.

I never really thought I would ever look back to bands from 25 years ago in this way.

Here is a song that might not make it in there ever. But it is in my hof. Front 242 headhunter. 30 years ago.

I don't feel old.

I like that song, all right. But it's a bit cynical to suggest that it's justification for a R&R HOF nod.

I still can't believe The Doobie Brothers haven't been inducted. (But I agree with several on the list year: Roxy, Kraftwerk, Cure)

I visited the “rock and roll” hall of fame last year.

Just a joke of a place. Really disappointing.

They had hardly anything of interest ... and actual “rock and roll” music was hardly represented at all.

Maybe if it was rebranded as the “American music hall of fame” .. maybe it’d be ok. But even then, the exhibits were pretty crappy. The best thing there was the temporary pinball exhibition. You can see cooler memorabilia at a Hard Rock Cafe.

Really was very poor, and not worth a visit in my opinion. Why anyone puts stock in it at all, I really don’t know.

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Edit - I just went back to the photos I took there last July. I only took a dozen photos and 5 of them were pinball ones. Lol.

This photo sums up the “rock and roll” hall of fame ... lolll
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Do my eyes deceive me, or is someone in a forum full of fat, old, white guys trying to have some kind of authoritative opinion about rap music? Rofl

Imagine what I felt like after paying $30 each then.

Lollll

I think we did the whole place in like an hour, 90 mins tops.

The good news, we were passing through, it wasn’t a special trip.

I forgot to add - the building design looks cool from the outside, but it would be the worst designed public display space I’ve ever been in. Especially the top levels. Those who have been there would know what I’m talking about.

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Rap has been around for about 40 years now. The first time I was ever really exposed to it was around 1985 When King of Rock by RUN D.M.C. came out. I was 11 years old at the time. Being a white kid in the suburbs, it was novel to say the least. And then I went back to The Beatles. So, I take exception to what you've said. I've known it was shit long before I was fat or old.

I had friends that listened to Black Flag, The Cramps, hair metal, rap, and even the damn Sperm Birds. And while I dabbled, first generation classic rock is where it was for me and still is to a large degree. 80's and 90's stuff that I like is largely rooted in that sound. And being in Michigan, I had the good fortune of being exposed to some great Canadian bands from my own generation too (Tragically Hip, Our Lady Peace, Sloan).

Sounds like paradise!! Seriously though, I've been there and enjoyed it very much actually.

It's all bullshit until Link Wray is in there.
https://pleasekillme.com/link-wray-rrhof/

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Is Dick Dale in?

Agree with RotorDave on the title. Why call it Rock and Roll hall of fame?

I have no problem with celebrating all genres of music, but they don’t do that either. No Country etc.

I also agree it missing many obviously deserving bands.

Get off my lawn!

Also, I do love classic rock!

Nevus,I agree,but Country has its own venue at Nashville! Rap is crap all day!! Being from the Sanfransisco ROCK era of the sixties,I have seen what real rock is!! A lot of these youngsters haven't had the thrill of watching a group like the "James gang",or Lesly west, unload at 50,000 watts,and rip up places like "Winterland' and the "Fillmore west",so this is all lost on them,sadly!!! No bashing,just fact!!! 4 U who never knew,Lesly West was the lead guitar for "Mountain" U know,Mississippi Queen,you know what I mean!!!

Where’s the pictures of the machines?

Well you know a lot of us old fat white guys listened to it growing up. Just sayin white sales of rap music is pretty high historically.

Old man quick review:

Def Leppard Well, OK I guess
Devo YES
Janet Jackson NOPE
John Prine WTF Never heard of him, No
Kraftwerk No
LL Cool J No
MC5 Huh??? No
Radiohead Maybe
Rage Against the Machine Yes
Roxy Music No, boring, one hit
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan NO
Stevie Nicks ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT
The Cure Yes
The Zombies Yes
Todd Rundgren OK I guess

#babyboomersknowitalls

He did get a song in there though. I think it was last year they started to induct important songs in music history and Rumble made it in.
Something at least.

Once Rush made it in I quit being outraged. Now they could induct Tiny Tim or Slim Whitman and I wouldn't care...

I'm all in for The Cure this year. Whom wininduct them, how many members show up, what songs from the massive catalog will they play, with Lol be there?

You have terrible taste.

Def leppard is shit and Kraftwerk and Roxy Music are geniuses. Your "only one hit" criteria didn't discount Devo for some reason (who I'll grant you are also awesome).

Yeah the MC5 only invented punk rock no biggie.

Although, my ratings were for who should get into the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, not my taste. There are tons of bands I really like that I don't think should be in there.

Def Leppard - yeah I kinda agree on it, I never could get much into them, but it seems like they are very popular.

Kraftwerk - yes I like them. I should reconsider. But I do like them.

Roxy Music - that's just personal taste there I agree. I never could get into the music. I agree they are good though. Sometimes things don't match up with one person's taste.

Gryszzz - I take the blame for MC5, too quick too judge I like most punk.

Devo - one of the greatest ever. Once again you can argue genres and say they aren't rock and roll, but what genre are they anyway? Its like they invented their own genre.

Whew I'm glad no one defended Stevie Nicks.

Anyway, its all a fun game, because so matter how you slice it, its not really a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I guess Vid is right, you can argue the division of the genres all day long and probably will never be able to get a logical conclusion. It should really be called the Music Hall of Fame. Or maybe the Rock and Roll and Blues and Rap and Pop and Country and Metal and Hip Hop and Techno Hall of Fame.

RNR HOF is funny, everybody says they don't give a shit about it but we can't stop arguing about it.

There were a few years where inductions were simply no-brainers, but let's face it there's only so many great bands and at this point you are always gonna get plenty of mediocre/borderline acts. I mean HEART is in the RNR Hall of Fame.

Heart.

Can't really argue with most of your opinions they seem pretty on point. Devo should have gotten in years ago and Def Leppard - while shit - have a 10 million selling album so I guess that gets 'em in!

Exactly, we just play the game for the fun of it. Also consider the museum itself, I have been there also and agree with the reviews above, its not great.

Heart? Well.. you know, they were rock and roll I suppose. They had some hits, decent songs. But hall of fame? Well, how about Abba?

Anyway, I just went and had a look at all of the inductees, and if you can let the rock and roll part go out of your head, they are pretty much all good really. But they organize their list by putting all of the bands that start with "The" in with the Ts, now THAT is a crime

I was also wondering is Smith was gonna take a jab at him.

Obviously the Smiths should be in as all. Smiths & Pixies are no brainers.

Damn Levi, I agree with much of what you post, but it seems your musical taste is shit.LOL

Def Leopard should be in just like Priest, Maiden, Zep, AC/DC etc. Such a great band over the years with so many great songs. I guess I may be biased since I saw them in 1980 on their first tour - On Through The Night.

How on earth can you refer to Devo as a one hit wonder?

My only real issue with R&RHOF is the same as most. The inclusion of acts that aren't even remotely rock and roll. Example: I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Beastie Boys, but should they really be in the R&RHOF?

Your list is incorrect. You included all of the nominees.

These are the inductees for 2019 (the others did not make it):

The Cure
Radiohead
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
Roxie Music
The Zombies

None of those listed are worthy. Rock'n'Roll has been going downhill since Randy Rhoads died. ALL of this new shit sucks. End of story.

New shit?!

The Cure
Radiohead
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
Roxie Music
The Zombies

How old do you have to be where you think a bunch of 60s-80s acts are "new shit?"