This is exactly what will happen. I also suspect fewer people would rate at all. Heck, I can't imagine how hard it would be to re-rate the games I haven't played in years. Well, so hard I wouldn't bother trying.

Why do you think she's broke? lol

Don't care

Taxi is better than T3 every day of the week, including the 8th day. Start a poll if you don't believe me.
/popcorn
-mof

Yeah some people are just crazy right?

Right?

No matter what the subject in review is, I tend to shy away from the new shiniest things. I am skeptical until I see that something stands the test of time. There is a reason that the term "honeymoon period" is thrown around a lot in this hobby. In general, I like to buy tried and true things. Cars, televisions, musical instruments, appliances, and pinball machines. If something has been popular for a long time there is usually good reason.

That said, I don't wish to own most of the top 50 games. Ratings are just opinions when it's all said and done. If I question a review, I will sometimes look at the reviewers other reviews and see if we have the same taste. If not I take that into account. I actually like our Pinside system. Thank you Robin, for what you do!!

-Hougie

Agree

If I can honestly rate any of those games better than IJ4, then I am being honest. All of those games are better than IJ4. I would rather have a South Park, Harley or Striker Extreme than that pin, honest.
At any rate, you need to rate games based on their era. Comparing an SS or A# vs a DMD is not fair. Comparing a 69 Mustang to a 2009 Taurus would be absurd.

Harlem Globetrotters should be ranked number one. Until it is, the rankings are broken.

How about a separate 2014 list or trending now list.

To reset the top 100 and make people vote again is pretty dumb

I did loke the bang for the buck, but think that would be hard. It would be pretty cool to have a trending now list

Exactly, I guess its pretty easy to judge the best of lets say Stern pins simply by eliminating all the others in the standings, AC/DC #1 LOTR #2 and STLE #3 which is starting to reflect my idea of pinball greatness more accurately. Anyway big thing to remember is to get out there and try a pin for yourself. No other way to be sure.

Disagree.

Comparing a 1981 pin vs a 2014 pin is completely valid.

SealClubber, Please tell me which of these values you think we cannot fairly compare between, say...

Centaur vs. STLE:

(pf layout) layout, rules, toys, game play
(playfield) playfield, backglass, cabinet, animations (optional)
(sounds) sounds and speech, music, quality, variation
(other) game lighting, lastability, theming, fun

Centaur has no music, animations, and the quality of sound is based on the era.

I'd compare 13 of 16 elements. Isn't that enough to make a solid comparison between the two pins?

Sealclubber, how do you see it as not fair?

-mof

I think that was his point actually wasn't it? Obviously a 69 Stang is better than a 09 taurus.

I can think of exactly 4 pins worse than IJ4. South Park, SG, Avatar, & ....well maybe only 3. Oh Viper Night Drivin' maybe

LOL !
-mof

Based on the numbers of thumbs down vs thumbs up, I would say that pretty much only the two of you agree that this is a good idea.

"Top 100", "Top 40" .....whatever criteria you use is going to cause disagreement ......

I sure don't buy / download music based upon the "Top 40", but rather my personal taste.

Top 100 beers, cities, etc. all subjective

It seems some of the older titles do deserve to stay high in the rankings, as they've proved the test of time, something a new machine simply cannot do...

Maybe, sub lists that are more specific to era, units produced, most toys, etc. would be cool...but in the end, it's just a poll......play and buy ( listen, drink, live) what appeals to you....

Leave the poll alone...makes for good ( sometimes) debate......

Seconded. I own STLE and have owned TZ and TAF and played the rest extensively. Yes they are all better than STLE and I love my STLE too...truth

The top 100, and even more so the top 10, is not worth any kind of worry over. Pinball is an art form. Can you pick the 10 best songs, or the 10 best movies, or the 10 best paintings, or the 10 best dancers, and expect them to match everyone else in the world? Of course not. You have yours, and everyone else has theirs. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes not. No big deal.

The list merely shows where the overlap of opinion is greatest. It should never tell you what you think, or offend you.

Yeah. Bad Idea.

Just what I said ( but you said it better than I)....

I think any new fun toy is going to get played while the old toys sit neglected. Doesn't mean the new toy is better than the old toys. It takes time to determine where in the pantheon a machine will reside, so it seems silly to reset the ratings.

With all the fuss over this, you'd think it involved money or something

Agreed. I don't pay attention to these "lists" anyway. I play/buy the games *I* like.

Well by you owning a SW:e1 that's obvious
HEY-O!
Jokes! Fun! Remember when pinball wasn't aboot pissing and moaning aboot lists? (The answer was pre-Pinside...which is sad)

Me too

LOL Craig, is that Ripken card for real? I'm going to have to go check my baseball card collection for this one. That's hilarious!

91 or 92 Fleer if I remember correctly...

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a) why not just erase the list every month? then you could have flavor of the month?

b) start your own list, with you and your buddy. rate the game the way you like them. point people to your list.

Thumbs up on the f*** face baseball card!

I agree! The data is there, it's just a matter of presenting it. Have you looked at the bottom of the ratings pages for each pin to find the historical graphs of their rating and ranking? Pretty interesting viewing and but it is only for one game at a time.

Just another pinball ratings list I look at from time to time for another perspective .

http://www.ipdb.org/lists.cgi?puid=32200&browser=1398808824&list=top300

Yup. Between the collectors who care a lot about the value of their games, the partisans of particular brands/eras/games, the highly subjective nature of enjoyment, and a wide spectrum of ages and involvement in the hobby makes for a lot of angles to argue about when it comes to the Top 100 — a high visible list that is generated by our own feedback and which provides a source of validation of ownership for many.

You can say 'don't take it seriously' but when it does have a real impact on game value it's hard not to. And value doesn't just impact price, it psychologically impacts your enjoyment. It's called cognitive dissonance. It's the same reason why there is a measurable honeymoon period for new games (hence the ratings soaring to begin with then falling back to earth later — just look at any Stern from the last few years).

Awe come on man don't give up. One more and you'll have 40!

This party is going to be EPIC!

Is it safe yet?
Marathon-Man-Olivier_Is It SAFE.jpg

Absolutely real. Apparently that was Billy's nickname in the clubhouse, haha. The profanity was discovered fairly early on, so most Billy Ripken cards fleer produced in that set had the end of the bat covered with a black box or the words airbrushed off or otherwise covered up, but the early ones appeared as in that image!

Is a 2014 Honda Civic ever gonna be a classic like a '57 Chevy Bel Aire? Ummm....no. Classics are classic for a reason--well designed, built to stand the test of time, aging beautifully, still desirable.

That comparison sucks, sorry but STLE I take it is the 2014 Honda Civic? I would say more like a 2014 corvette and what's the 57 Chevy TAF? Well I'll take the corvette and you keep the Chevy. That's also a 50 year gap apposed to a 20 year not to mention the STLE body blows TAF out of the water. Nice try. I'm done.

What sealclubber is saying IMO is that you cannot compare everything like you said. Sound quality should not be compared, knocking an old machine for not having stereo when a new machine does is bad. Knocking a new machine for not having stereo since machines have or have had it is valid. I know I really hate the digital sound of my system 11 machines, but that was the standard of the time so I cannot detract for that. As some have suggested, it actually works for some machines, Cyclone works that way, my Police Force gets to me after a while.

My Dad and I are almost finished putting a restored/tuned engine in his 69 Camaro. I'll put that beast up against a new Camaro all day long...and win.

Pardon?
Surely your point isn't, "You can't compare two pinball machines... if one doesn't have stereo."
-mof

That explains why people will defend one's beliefs in a pinball title. It makes them uncomfortable if they are wrong.

The unofficial record, for most thumbs down, is 147.

Yes YOU would. Congrats!

Yes but can it beat an 09 Taurus?

Be honest!

Then you might enjoy reading this post...

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-spotted-in-person-tpf-pics/page/4#post-1552249

Yes YOU would. Congrats!

Yes but can it beat an 09 Taurus?
Be honest!

Ok. You got me. A Taurus is way more awesome.

http://pinside.com/pinball/top-100/various

surely I'm not the only one to ever look at this?

Never seen it myself.

Star Jet #1 EM...is that a F*&^ing joke? Reset this nonsense!