Quoted from jedimojo:
I'm excited about the art, I'm excited about the license, I'm not excited about the layout I've seen in the past.
What layout exactly? That I haven't seen yet...
I'm officially on the waiting list. So...some of you guys keep dropping out please.
Quoted from eggbert52:
I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm only using the current game (AMH) as a barometer and those games are fetching $1,500 above list. I don't think pins are an investment either but in the case of these two machines they are definitely above market value.
I agree with Eggbert on this one. The waiting list for the game is a mile long still (I know, I'm on it and have zero expectation of making the final cut sadly). As far as pins go this one seems like a good bet not to lose any value given the limited numbers.
Quoted from thedarkknight77:
I call Bullshit!! Kiss has 1000 times the fan base and there are a lot of LE's still available. People who want a RZ will be able to get one.......It might cost them more than $6000, but there will be plenty available. This isn't a $40 Limited T-Shirt, this is a $6000 pin, aside from our community, there are not many that would pay.....Could I be wrong, sure I could, but I doubt it.
I can't speak for Kiss (I just haven't followed the title all that closely), but I do know Metallica brought some new blood into pinball...Pinside had some new members out of the Metallica fan club that became collectors. Some post here pretty regularly.
Quoted from robertmee:
I've not played either so no dog in this fight but I wish everyone would quit using pinside rankings to quantify a pins worth. Don't you realize that everytime a new game comes out it's in the tip 20 for a period of time? Let's wait 10 years and see if Metallica is still in the top 100 then we'll talk. If the game is less than 2 years old it's rankings are as meaningful as my opinion.
I view rankings as the opposite. Because of how Pinside allows votes from ten years ago (before there were color changing inserts and other changes) to still count today and be weighted equally, I view the old game's ranking as being basically meaningless as they do not reflect the current community at all.
I call this issue legacy voting (past Pinsiders long since departed that never even heard of a Tron LE pumping up the ratings of 90's games before we were so critical). If all games started from zero today the top 100 would look radically different reflecting the current collector community only and not ghosts from the distant past who didn't have many of the current games to even consider.
Anyway, sorry for my off topic post. I haven't had a good legacy vote post in at least a year...it had been bubbling up.
Quoted from robertmee:
They are all great for different reasons.
I totally agree with you.
That said, ratings someone gave a 68 GTO in 1971 for example would be completely meaningless to me. Ratings someone gives the 68 GTO in 2016 is meaningful to me.
Ratings someone gives the 68 GTO in 1971 would still be meaningful to me if the person was still around in 2016 and stood by his rating from 1971. My issue is the ratings staying from another time and from long departed Pinsiders (those two factors combined).
Quoted from lordloss:
Basically the whysnow edition is a machine that gets a very limited number of games. The game must NOT ever have the chance to be remade, if it does, the whysnow game is no longer a unique snowflake since everyone can get one. The game is one that not everyone can have and thats the point, if everyone could have it, whysnow would drop out of the preorder. The game must be a preorder.
In whysnow's defense he worked hard to get a meaningful run of WOOLY made, even after he had a prototype in his possession. I wish he would have succeeded, I want that game to get a full run.
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