Its going to take all of 2016 to build 300 games, Chuck said he hopes AMH will be done by Jan 1, so he'd have to do 6 a week for 50 weeks to build all RZSI, I think the games will sell out well before the first one rolls off the line 7 months from now.

Yep. Apparently he likes the work of some comic artist dude too.horley Zombie guitar.jpg

If you are interested, I'd send an email. I committed yesterday as an AMH #42, I got an email from KT with-in 30 minutes saying I'm in on an LE. BY the end of the show, I wouldn't be surprised if the Texas pinball festival record weekend of near 30 AMH orders wasn't surpassed by the end of Sunday.

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Me too, emailed at 7, response 30 minutes later I'm good in LE queue. I'm AMH #42

Reading it right.

Just to agree with you even more....

IMHO Charlie doesn't need dibs for early adopters, its a way to say thanks. Loyalty programs are profit decisions. Spooky's isn't profit driven rather appreciation driven. I don't see a business reason for Spooky to have double or triple the demand for 300 games, when there is already probably 300+ in the queue.

Actions create loyalty: keep promises, be truthful, be $ smart, great games, and ship on time, support after unboxing. Spooky's approach is the wise and best model, and happens naturally.

Please search the thread for pinsider "spooky pinball" - Charlie said it many times. NOW would be advised.

Its tittily awesome.

Its ok if you don't want in, but I wouldn't call it "high pressure sales", if your reading that message from Spooky's posts, I think you need to have a chat with Charlie. It is a no obligation pre order, but if you don't put your $1000 down for a deposit to show you are a real buyer, you will likely be out b/c demand appears to be very high. If 300 are willing to put up $1000 based on the art, or a complete packege reveal, but without getting to flip it - I guess you have to pick your risk level. I'm in without much more than buying from Charlie before, and the Rob video, and what I know about the game that Charlie has shared in this thread - and that was way more than enough for me.

If you have concerns or questions, email the source Charlie at spookypinball.com

I am bored with speculation here. Why not email or call Charlie and ask? I think he made it pretty clear why the announcement was made when it was. Stern is Stern, Spooky does things differently that Stern - viva la difference. BTW, I like all three, I own Sterns, AMH and WoZ - all for different reasons. I own 70's Gottlieb EMs, 80's Bally, and 90's williams and bally - all for different reasons. Do you expect manufacturers to act same - why would you want them to?

I can see why it was slow out of the gate. My feelings on the game completely shifted between Chicago Expo 13 v '14.

I was kinda underwhelmed in Oct 2013 with AMH, shot flow felt "clunky", interesting concept - campy and sarcastic fake TV tie-in, but not all the humor and game story were completed yet. It had potential, but I wasn't feeling it.

In Oct 2014 at Expo, it rocked. The game play was great and had legs keep me coming back. Then Charlie showed me the inside design, the concepts of mostly standard parts, self-3D supply of custom parts, off the shelf power supplies, amps, FF speakers and the sourcing of most all else through Terry@PL, BEn's pinheck board, code and open source concept for .wav files, etc. So I geeked on the inside of the game too. It was a blast to play, and I got the story

Actually seeing 2013 v. 2014 was important for me and was a big part of my decision being a comfortable one to see actually, b/c I saw how far the game had come, and it looked, played and was built solid. More like a WMS/Bally feel, plus it was thousands less that my previous two buys of WoZ and STLE.

I had been in on the hobbit from Nov 2012, and had to get on the list early for STLE with $ in before I even played/saw one.
the AMH was an easy decision.

Nice Charlie! Watched Sven since I was 6. Still find a station with his show once in a while.

Finally! A greyscale display, I thought nobody was listening to the forums - but Ben is out in front on technology as usual.

The RZSI game layout is way different than Pinball Zombies, as I heard from Charlie directly when I was there last Friday. He did not show me anything of the PF, so I only have his word on what he described, but Charlie's word is golden for me.
The main timing issue for a reveal at Expo is the artwork + artwork approval from the licensee. This is not trivial, with lots of unknowns. I will get approved, but perhaps not all tweaked, approved, tweaked, approved cycle will be final in time to get it all on the game for an Expo showing.

It also plays completely different, per CHarlie.

Charlie won't reveal anything but a complete, finished game.

Its explained earlier in the thread. A quick recap.
-KT has the list
-The list was over 600 within a month
- I don't think Charlie or KT has shared the size of the list since August.
- Early adopters of AMH got first dibs on the RZSI limited editions
- AFTER complete game is revealed, $1000 deposit to confirm your order
- If one of the 300 decides not to put $1000 down, #301 will be asked

It makes business sense to me. Also, not killing your staff and coders is a wise business move. It took charlie about 75 weeks to build 150 AMH. If he can double production to do 300 RZ in 75 weeks, I think that's really an agressive goal.

I don't understand the "situation", I see no pressure or being put on the spot by Spooky's approach. For me, I saw no risk of losing a material large sum of money. The "on the list, but no $" for RZ removes the "pressure". Once the game is final and revealed to all, they ask everyone in 1 to 300 order, are you in? then $1000 to order your parts please, or out? Spooky asks #301. To me, I saw no risk, no pressure - no commitment until you say yes, and give $1000 deposit and thats only AFTER you see the final product. I understand that "seeing" may not be enough information for some. Some may not feel expectations are met, until they can play the game in person, but I don't see a way around that. Many, or likely all 300, will put money up with just the pictures v. needing a test drive. The $1000 is a potential risk, if Spooky can't deliver a game - but I'm willing to take that risk if/when I hand over that cash.

For an extra $1000, Ben, Charlie and Rob Z will come to your house and assemble the game?

"Similar... but a ton better!" - Charlie

+1

Brilliant - especially the wiper to clear the gore before the next hit!

Email confirm rec'd. FYI, KT replied in about 45 minutes.

Re: the comments about "no email yet", my email was "one of the lucky ones on the 50 LE"...
Perhaps only 50 emails went out to the first 50 LE names?

$6495 is the LE. $5995 is regular. At least you added the quantity (other posts were just price). So what if the run was 30 or 3000? AND..... Charlie didn't want to. If you have talked to him, or heard his comments on Spooky - he isn't trying to gouge the pinball community, because he is part of the pinball community. I think we should applaud him for putting more into a game, adding costs of a license, color, Matt's sculpted coolness, and keeping the price exactly the same as AMH.

Why? Because its the Emery's!

What I like about all the discussion is that we are talking about the game shots and ideas, and we are getting feedback from the coders (fawzma and Heck) and Charlie. Seeing no big OMG comments, just a few opting out due to timing or wasn't what was expected - that shows that the layout, art and gameplay - well... "it doesn't suck" (SRR).

Game design comments are worthless until you play it, IMO. I know Charlie is focused on making it a game he will play for a long time, and if he likes it - I know I will like it. Listening over the years to Spooky podcasts, and having AMH, Charlie and I have similar tastes in games & I' probably like whatever Charlie invents.

I think the 1000 switch hits will be tweaked with code to be "just right". Probably won't see a spinner added - but code can be tweaked with collective feedback from playing.

LE #42, woohoo! Matches my amh #

#42 LE
#42 AMH

Rob Zombie, Bible and atheist - this thread has it all.

The tombstone really ties the PF together.

I like the few high scores for certain major game goals
GOT has houses, Winter is Coming
LOTR has destroy the ring champion (DTR fastest time)

RZ could have 1000 corpse champion - fastest time (like DTR) or most corpes
The craziest multiball mode - highest score
Mini wizard mode(s) - higherst score
and... that's it

I would only have 2 or 3 based on major game events - I agree too many = iphone app

Dutch did this with BoP 2.0, and likely labowski. It even takes screen shots as you play, and posts your top score (and of others) to a website, as the game is wifi and ties to your personal game # on the site.

You are missing something. Until you see/play in person, and with completed rules, how can you have a true feel?

Lions - what # are you? Must be getting close to the last one of the line.

AMH Ben listened to tourney players key points, and added setting - no extra balls, no ball save, etc. Points for EB instead.

Fawzma will likely add a tourney mode - no multiplayer stealing, no extra balls, no ball save, etc. Points for EB instead.

Wow, Jack, just wow. Great job on the vid and commentary as always. Heart races just watching the chaos. Spooky rocks.Charlie, Ben, Fawzma - excellent!!! Code monkey "borrowed" some video game look and feel, rainbow borders, etc. sweet.

Feb 1 done & close to moving in looks realistic.

Geez, having a personal opinion is still ok, isn't it? I find all the bitching about you like this, I like that, as boring rather than anything worth reading. Just let people have a say of their opinion and move on. Please avoid pounding the same message, that people are idiots unless they agree with your taste and preference? It would make Pinside so much better.

I hope this RZ thread will be more about the game, than a personal quests to convince us its "better" or "worth it".

RZSI SE (skin edition)
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I'm in for sure. But these tats are from Sherri's webpage, fans she has met at shows.

Your posts never disappoint

Spooky podcast 3/1: 30 cabs assembled, playfields onsite, most/ all the parts - just need final pinheck 2.0 boards from Texas (they have proto boards, may use those for 2 games going to Texas Pinball Festival).

I think they probably been populating PF for a while, and just waiting to put in the boards.

Come to the midwest gaming classic and talk to Charlie directly. I hope to play the game and get an update on production in person.

Is LE #2 the only game that arrived so far?

Serious question - was she scared by the artwork?

I'm #42. The countdown is speeding up!

David took tons of feedback on Zombie - he was there watching play for most of the MGC time - every time I walked by he was there talking to players or those who just played. He is very open, and has learned a ton about what people are using as strategies and what complaints or feedback, both from newbies and experienced players alike.

David comes from a gaming background, and Charlie knows a good game of pinball rules - I'm impressed with David's quick learning on how pinball players think. No worries about depth, or glitches - bugs or scoring exploits won't last long

I'm a numbers guy too. Did the same graph with AMH, and its not linear - the first 75 were at 2-3 per week, the last 75 were hitting 5 a week. The original estimate was shortened by at least 3 months.

RZ will probably start at much higher per week than AMH, and I expect will only go up in the weekly rate as they optimize the new space.

I'm #42 and KT said this week or next. That will bend the line some!

Video mode's got Spooky's personality, and that suits me fine . A pause for " loading.... " has Ben Heck written all over it, and if he could have had a nintendo controller pop out of the coin door and used instead of the flippers, that would be there (A BackAlley / Matt mod?) For me, its hilarious to have a throwback to Pole Position, with gore. The Dragula video back in the day probably would have started the video-game rating system way before Mortal Kombat.

Just suggesting things to NOT polish.

RZLE 42 has 25 plays already. Direct from Spooky in Benton to Geneva IL.

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This seems pretty bogus and goes against what Charlie asked customers to do when getting into the queue - if you decide you don't want the game, tell Spooky and get the $1k deposit back, and they will go to #301 in the queue. 2 weeks of earnings - that's your sample size? I think this way more about opportunistic profit for you than the pinball community where your profit will go to "marketing ... to bring in more players"?

Marketing is a business decision - has nothing to do with selling a game - unless you are saying this is your only source of raising capital. For best coin drop, ask LTG, after all these years, and he's had several Sterns - MM still is his best earning game. I operated too - the location wanted the space back for driving games - so I took them all back to my basement (his drivers earn little if anything BTW, he said he spent $100k - and almost $0 return).

Kudos for operating any location though - its tough, and I'm glad people still try.

This is not about coin drop or locations earnings then - you just don't like it. Trying to double your $, only 2 weeks after getting it, while Spooky is up to #55 or so in deliveries, just seems wrong to me on several levels.

As owner of #42, it just rubs me the wrong way. Since the code is only 0.8, I think its way too early to put a final judgment on it and sell it off, IMO.

Since you are falsely accusing me of several things, I will set the record straight - I'll respond - once.
I don't even know you - read my PM and we can hash out whatever you want outside this thread.

Not true on trying to buy up multiple AMH - I have one. A friend wants one, and I tried to find one - no dice.
Jpop in this thread? Don't even. I helped MG get to the NW show - that's it. PDX and I busted our ass, to help those who had $ at risk and for Bill to make a go/no go decision. Cover story? What does that even mean?

I took you off ignore for a total of 4 hours. My mistake.

Agreed

What were the pop strengths v.7 compared to 8?

Pingulps RZ splatter and AMH, awesome stuff
Thanks, Doug.

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My suggestion to David and charlie this past weekend is for a few CHOP options. One is already mentioned earlier - borrow the "hard" setting of KEEP in LOTR, on/off. The other was less reward for 2+ times getting CHOP, maybe be completely off after the 3rd time its collected (settings for this of course). Good players will exploit this easily - I've consistently had games in the 50 mil range, and a couple 100 mil + which would not have been possible with a crippled CHOP setting.

What's really awesome is Fawzma and Charlie are listening - you may not get everything you ask for, but you are being heard. I talked to both of them about suggestions, code work in progress and some of the ideas (some work, some just don't) - and a lot of them I've seen mentioned in this thread.

I asked specifically this at the open house, and yes, a failed infection can mean game over at ball 1. Only superbeast has infection default to "on" for the 2nd time through per factory settings. You can turn on infection for any/all modes via settings!

DMD data cable was not the problem for me either.

I had the same problem, talked with David, and got it fixed with new EPROM code directly written to the EPROM (i.e. couldnt use the update steps when the EPROM had garbage).

So, you have a confused A/V Eprom like I had. Most likely it wasn't formatted FAT32, see Ben's note above.

Even with a correctly formatted, clean SD card, a partial file or two files with the same name - caused for me by an interrupted download which never completed properly - will end with the same corrupted EPROM chip for A/V leaving you at ROM 0.
David explained that the update process read the first RZ0_V008 file and doesn't check file extention - reading the partial file will write garbage directly on the EPROM, and that chip is now hopelessly confused.

Only solution was overwriting the Eprom chip directly from a laptop with a special cable attached directly to the PinHeck board (some risk involved & not an easy path - special cable, carefully follow steps, etc)
Best solution is a newly written Eprom from Spooky.

My understanding is that the update process is becoming more fool-proof in the near future.

Have a chat with Charlie at Spooky. Talking through these tweaks on the wire form will help both you and the production line.
[email protected]. He is scary fast getting back to you - so dont' be surprised.

The instructions of the spooky.com/game support page are in RED, CAPS, UNDERLINED. Its really pretty simple, but you have to follow the formatting FAT32 to complete clean the SD file pointers and data, and be sure your files to copy are one of each file name, and not partially upzipped, then follow the rest of the steps. My personal experience warning!!! AN INTERRUPTED DOWNLOAD CAN LEAVE A PARTIAL prop.bin or .prog file and copy garbage to the EPROM, even if the SD card is formatted cleanly.

I'm confident Ben/David are adding the file contiguous check to verify the files, and that only one filename is there. Doing that, plus the clean SD format in FAT32, should avoid the corruption written to the A/V Eprom.

4 issues -
1) can an Android phone cleanly format an SD card in FAT32 configuration?
2) there is a special cable that can directly connect to the PinHeck board, and the prop EPROM can be written to directly, but this was a cable connected to a Windows OS laptop - would copying files from an Android OS directly would honor the contiguous bytes requirement
3) will that cable have an adapter plug for an Android phone?
4) you can foul the EPROM, and be down on location until you get a new one and presuming you know how to install EPROMs.

Spooky site still claims v12. But just downloaded now, and whatsnew.txt only shows v11 8/9/16 changes & zip contents still RZO_V011.PRG

I decided to do nothing for now & stayed on v10.

My LE 42 is for sale

Machine - For Sale

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2016-08-30

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I complete WHAT almost every time. 6 qualifying lanes, 3 spaulding bashes = multiball. Maybe I'm missing something - perhaps there is the jackpot collect I'm missing?

You might try raising the back right leg leveler a couple turns. I found a slight increase made the ball come out of the VUK, hit the right wall, and back into the left lane. hit it back to spaulding, change lanes, repeat. Very consistent. If the bounce doesnt go to the left lane, it comes down the wall, and will kick to the right back onto the flipper - so I seem to find the flipper out of the VUK nearly every time.

If I mess up from there, its user error - but the minor right back leg adjustment made a huge improvement.

play suggestion - be sure to flip to change lanes - saves 3 flips to get to hitting spaulding and reduces risk of missing and having to restart. Consistency timing/speedwise on the left flipp as the ball comes through the left lane will almost always go back to spaulding and drop in the left lane, and then hit spaulding 3 times to open the gate.

Hint on spaulding gate adjustment - I had to adjust both the open and closed positions using settings, if its not open enough the ball can get behind spaulding and stuck on the plastic.

Only one ball gets cut off, the dangling one is "saved" , sick, but accurate !

Not a fan of the block font on the Facebook test video. Ben's help sounds interesting though, perhaps idea of better clarity, but within the same size limit?