They can choose to increase production capacity. They can choose to extend licensing. But limiting to a 300 lifetime number didn't leave either of those options open for the future... that's the only point being made.

I assume they know better than anyone what their capacity to produce is.

They alone cannot chose to extend license. RZ would also have to agree to extend the license. We can sit here and speculate what deal was negotiated but we have no idea. Maybe RZ said 3 years and that's it.....no extension. who knows I just know I am looking forward to watching the growth and success of their company. Good people and this hobby really needed something like this.

Good luck Spooky Pinball!!

All this talk of 300 games is boring. It's a limited edition, it's not gonna change because you think you know better than Charlie, just let it go. Find something else to talk about. Like what the art might look like! What about Pinball Zombies *did* you like? Chuck wants a game with some wicked randomness if you miss a show, the ball is wild. If the rest of the layout works that's not a bad thing!

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indeed awesmome art

Congrats to charlie and the spooky pinball team for getting this great tittle . It really is awesome to see you guys succeed and get a dream tittle on just game two!!! Seriously awesome! You've got a lot of work ahead you , but damn ! This is awesome !

Hmm, are you saying you've seen the art already and it's boobalicious?

Just popping in to this thread to say kudos to everyone at Spooky.
Keep doing what you do, keep being awesome. Pinball needs your talent, reliability and straightforward communication. You are proving that dream that talented pinnerds can actually pull together the right people and make magic happen.

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Just a "reminder" for those that clearly never bothered to read the thread. Running it in circles at this point... Can't wait for real updates though

Thats my problem with the game...if it's pinball zombie's layout I'm out. Do not dig that layout at all. If it's tweaked I'm afraid that won't be enough. If it's a new layout, we'll see...anxious to see this game!

Did Ben reveal anything new at the southern fried show?

I have been out playing pinball at KISS launch and don't feel like digging through the crap to see some photos or whatever Ben was showing today.

anyone?

No, but Charlie wanted to do this tittle . And based on the artwork I have seen from the artist it will be awesome.

Stop trying to turn this into a tittle thread.

Since the limited quantity seems to be such a sticking point for some, I thought I'd 'splain my own reaction to this announcement. By the time I got to actually play AMH, they were nearly all spoken for. When they were officially all gone, I realized that I genuinely wished I had immediately gotten on the list once I realized not only that I liked the game but that the limited nature virtually guaranteed a much slower rate of depreciation. Then the RZ theme kept getting kicked about and while I thought it was very unlikely, I loved the idea and so did my wife. We're both big music nerds and had already been leaning towards a music-based theme for our first NIB purchase. In between all that, I watched the drama unfold here on Pinside with all of these small guys trying to get into the game and while I enjoy Stern's current lineup for the most part, as a former small business owner I really loved the idea of going with a small manufacturer and the only one I trust with my $$ is Spooky. So when the announcement dropped, I looked up from the laptop and yelled, "Honey, Rob Zombie is gonna happen. Get on the list?" Dozen or two minutes later, I got a reply from KT noting my interest. If this were an open-ended project without a track record, my usual reticence would have kicked in and I'd still be on the fence - and I suspect many others would have as well. Instead, Spooky can kick out the jams knowing they simply have to deliver. It's an envious place to be if you want to build pinball machines instead of spending your energy trying to sell them. Their consistency sold this title as much or more than their choice of themes. I don't have deep enough pockets to speculate in this hobby and this is exactly what I want.

It's not a new layout. It's a tweaked Pinball Zombies. I'm waiting to see how it plays, but don't expect something different from that, because that's what it is.

I guess nothing to do but wait and see.

lol no, this is Pinside... we have to argue viciously while we wait and see.

There are elements of this layout I love, and some not sure about.

Love the crazy pop bumper chaos if you miss a shot.

Guess we will see soon.

The underside of the playfield has been out for a while. Pops look like pzftg, but clearly there are other elements. I got it from Ben's twitter and posted it up on the second game thread.

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I love that hand on the playfield between the flips it's very real looking they should keep that.

Not sure I've ever seen Boolean used in this way. Love it.

I agree, the layout although different, has a very poor configuration with almost no flow. Its all about the shots, designers need to worry less about being unique and more about flow. Given the size of a typical playfield, I believe there are no new good layouts as everything has been done........just find a game that had good flow and great shots, but had a terrible theme and copy it!

As excited as I am about the possibilities of this game with Alex horley art, zombie music and a horror theme at the end of the day it has to be fun to play. If the action is anything like the zombie pin in the video I too would be ruluctantly out. Otherwise I could achieve the same package with a Horley poster and a zombie CD for much cheaper.

I understand spooky wanting to inject some randomness into the game and punishment for bad shots but of the three balls plunged in that video there were a total of seven touches before a drain...that's not even enough time to make a bad shot.

I'm hoping for maybe a drop bank in between those bumpers or a bash toy...if it's left wide open with the ability of the pops to send balls toward the slings for outlane drains or sdtm then imo Spooky will have squandered a great theme and taken a step back from AMH.

Well said!

Take a look at the Archer pinball thread.

I really don't like the look of Pinball Zombies layout and hoping RZ is more than just a tweak of that. But by the looks of that under PF photo, and a few comments in this thread, it doesn't look substantially different. For me that's the only reservation...time will tell I guess.

If you go back and actually read what Charlie said, they significantly changed the layout, toys, flow, etc.....not "minor tweaks".

Looking at the video is worthless.

Huh? Going to find that thread!

Sorry I didn't realize I used that word so often . From here on I shall refer to it as "Theme"

Are we sure this pic is of the "revised" layout? It looks pretty much just like the original pzfbtg layout to me. What are the other elements you see? If this is the layout for RZ Spookshow, it would be disappointing for sure.// Error: Image 419070 not found //

I apologize if I'm explaining the joke, but the word is "title" and you keep writing "tittle" which makes it sound like "tits".

This is the $1000 question.

I don't agree with the notion that there are no new layouts, and just copy some other one and retheme it. Charlie wants to make something different, that's part of the whole point of doing all the work to have your own pinball company, and I respect that.

The problem is it's not enough to just be "different". There's a reason why so many games feel similar, and that's because it's challenging to do new ideas and layouts that work.

When Charlie and I first talked about this game I expressed my reservations for the layout, I'm not saying anything here I didn't already tell him privately. At the time we just didn't see eye to eye on it. And it's his game, so that's fine.

I definitely wasn't the only one telling him these things, and he's tweaked it based on the feedback. There will be some more flow to it than before, more shots that return to the flippers. But it's also not going to be radically different, so that's my whole question now, is it changed enough to work for me? I haven't played it, but I do know what's changed, and it's not a ton, definitely tweaks not a full on redesign.

I'm keeping an open mind, and I'm excited to see more. But I definitely won't hesitate to drop out if the game doesn't feel fun. Awesome art and supporting a pinball company that's doing things in a true and honest way are great things, but I buy pinballs to play them, so that's my primary consideration.

Sweet !!!

Spooky is making 300.
Awesome theme. I'm in !!!!!! LE comes with extra splatter ?

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Anyone remember how awesome Rob Zombie made the Twisted Metal franchise with his music and the Dragula in the game? Man that was epic! I am definitely excited to see what this pinball machine becomes!

I've read both threads entirely. Please illuminate us because what I hear from people in the know is contrary to what you say.

Well, there was no bash toy in the old layout and we've already heard something about Captain Spaulding bash toy being in the redesign. That sounds like a little more than a tweak unless it's just tacked on. I really hope Spooky came up with a way to make it all work well together. Only time will tell.

I was confused, it was Andrew and Alien that those comments were made regarding the toys, layout, etc..

Yes I agree, it would be somewhat disappointing if that video is representative of what we are going to see in the final product.

I guess it's all semantics. The layout is essentially the same, with some tweaked shots so that there's more flow, and there are more toys, but the original PZ game was going to have toys that weren't on the prototype anyways as I recall.

As I said, open mind. I'll wait to judge until I see how it all works. I haven't seen it, just going off what I've talked with Charlie about.

AH , OK I see . I was never any good at spelling , I'm going to blame that on phone's autocorrect though .

Said it before, I'll say it again... It has more flow than the previous layout. More toys, more coils than AMH, more everything than what it had before. It's still wild and punishing as I intended. There are tons of pure fan flow whatever you wanna call it layout games out there, and I have no desire to make pure fan layout game #127. Others can and will do them better than I, so why try to be an immitator?

If it fails then I'm wrong and at least we took a chance on something different. If I believed that was the case I'd never even try.

We're making toys here... Really, I'm still surprised by that fact. I was writing script for a killer clown at midnight last night as part of my "job".

Debating if a toy you've never played is more or less fun than another toy seems kinda weird to me. And I know weird... Been weird my whole life!

Happy fathers day!

When will we get to see the backglass art? Pins and needles over here.

Amen to that! Different is a very good thing.

Alex is working on final glass now. All in due time. Toy Story 2 taught us, "you can't rush art".

Why cant you release an outline/shot map of the game like Heighway did of Aliens?

Nothing but a theme is annouced and you want me to email and say im interested in spending $6000 for a game?

No risk for you with the email and shot maps cost money.

Regardless, perhaps it's best that you not send your email on this one.

Maybe he is almost out of E stamps.

Why the low tolerance for questions?
Tough crowd...
-mof

We made a title announcement before it completely leaked anyway. We took a no obligation, no money down, interested parties sales list. Don't like it once you see it? It cost you an email and nothing else. If that upsets you, we're really sorry, we did our best. At least we aren't on page 400 discussing how to get your email back via attorney.

I personally wouldn't buy any game sight unseen, unless it was a dream title that I was completely enthralled with. I can think of maybe 3 things total... Rob Zombie is one of those for me.

After talking to Charlie in Denver, it sounds a lot more than "tweaked". I am expecting something much different.

How much did that e-mail run you? Mine was free, and I can even refuse to send money later. I don't know maybe I am too liberal with my correspondence.

I heard this is completely sold out for ZenTron (still some available for anyone else)

Sorry buddy. Better luck next time. Maybe you can save up all your emails and spend one sending it off for Spooky #3 to say you are interested.

I tell you what... If you are hard up for emails I can lend you one at that time and send it off for you.