Just picked up an rbion. Seems the head opto and super jackpot opto arent working. Magnet for the head isnt working either. Possibly opto related. Checked the connection...its plugged in. Any help to trouble shoot would be appreciated

Seems opto may be working. Magnet doesnt seem to, even in test though

Gonna clean the optos and report back. First they didnt register. Now they do half the time. Operator alerts said they needed checked.

It seems like the idol magnet isnt firing properly either

So i dug more this morning - had company and was trying to play and ts at the same time.

1) Went to diags. Coil test - one at a time. Magnet at the head works. Magnet at the idol works.
2) Go to operator alerts. Super jackpot opto and shrunken head opto are listed.
3) Go to switch test. They're both on.
4) During the game the shrunken head opto will actually register like 50% of the time. It does advance the column of inserts by the head. But the magnet won't work.

I see phishrace mentioned the upper loop - i presume those are the super jackpot. I did notice while there's not an error, the idol doesn't fire nearly as often or as hard as it should. Which sounds like all 3 optos aren't playing nice - which leads me closer to LTG's solution.

LTG - soldering on a board is definitely not my strong suit. Hands are kinda shaky all the time. I can manage on individual parts, not a board. Is this the board you were referring to? For the 12 bones I'd just replace it:

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/520-5239-01

Can someone give me a link to the opto's themselves? I'm thinking to just buy all the parts. Start with the board because it's easier to get to. If that solves it - great. Have the opto's there for when they go.

Was the board they plug into the right one? The 12$ one from marco?

The one from pinball life - I need 2 for each location, so 6 total?

I'm followin now LTG - i thought it was just one. I see two - missed one of em.

So - 2 of them 12$ boards.
Are the "sending" and "receiving" opto the same part? Can someone post a link to the part(s) on marco perhaps?

Thanks everyone. Parts are on order. Will report back once here and installed.

So parts got here. Figured I'd start with just the idol and go from there. Swapped both optos, as well as the board. Still doesn't work correctly. Haven't moved to the head or the super jackpot since I have to strip half the game to get to those and I'm assuming perhaps they're all related. Any help where to look next would be appreciated.

Operator alerts lists super jackpot and shrunken head optos. Can one bad one be messing up everything down the line?

Checked the backbox. Saw 2 tournament wires disconnected. as well as these two, but didnt see anywhere for them to go either.

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And this was hanging out in the cab..

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Visual inspection and it does not appear that either opto is lit at the idol, nor the head. As mentioned above i replaced the idol. Balls out, pf up, power on, neither were lit. To confirm i pulled the lower back off the underside of the magnet, definitely wasn't glowing red.

Should also mention the vari target opto is showing tripped in switch test. Removing power to the idol opto board removes it from being listed in the switch test.

Any ideas what to look at next ltg?

Swapped board and optos at only the idol as it was the easiest to get to. Still same issue. All optos showing active in switch test. None light up. Disconnecting power to the opto board removes them from the switch test list.

I guess I could try that. Any merit to replacing the others? Would something fubarred at the head and super jackpot mess up the idol downstream?

How would one check 5v there? I'm fine with testing but no clue what I'm doin. I do have a multimeter. One lead in the connector for red wire. Other....where?

This setting. Through the end of the connector was getting 0. Wasnt sure if they were thin or deep enough so tried the little slots in the side. Was .755

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Realized it was the weaker setting. Upped into the 20 on the DC side. Also tossed on the old board I replaced dangling so I could hit the solder points on the back for better confirmation. Hit .76 on the meter only. So presumably no 5v getting there?

Where do I go from here?

I did not notice the LEDs on the boards. Definitely not lit. I'll check the test one in a few

Again appreciate all the help. I can replace things when I know what's broke...but narrowing it down ain't my game

I can keep goin with diection...didnt mean that the wrong way.

So. The boards under the pf the optos hook to definitely dont have led unless I'm blind. Is this the 5v led you were referring to or would there be multiples on different boards?

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Answered my own q. Also is lit

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Saw that. The optos ltg pointed me to arent send and receive any more. They're interchangeable so upper or lower shouldnt matter

You sir ... I read that like 3 times and missed that. Late in the tooth tonight but I'll try to figure out where the hell it plugs in tomorrow. If you got a picture or something I'm looking for itd be appreciated

Anyone with the game able to post a pic? Should I separate this connection then? Single green to the opto board, double wire to opto if I'm reading that properly?

Side on the right is single green. Left is green and purple/blue

Progress. I split that connector. Purple and blue to the opto. Green to the controller board on j1. Optos for the idol light, still show active.

Head and super jackpot are not lit, still show active. I've done nothing yet to trouble shoot these.

Thanks again for all the help so far...what do I look at next?

No i didn't. Thinking it's relevant to my problem(s)?

Outta frustration I swapped out the head optos, jackpot optos, and the associated board. Still same thing

Crux of the issue. All 3 optos show active. Head and jackpot are not lit.

You're saying that connector in my post 24? Can you take a picture where they go? Them lil opto boards both dont have them. I got the 5 pin connector on both, 2 opto connectors on the head board - one for jackpot and one for the head. Idol board has the on pair of optos. That round connector i dont see, nor a place for on either opto board. And oddly there's only one dangling.

So I think the one you're referring to is plugged in. This is a second one that reaches to the front of the game pretty far...maybe for a bill collector? Looks like it goes to a loom in the back of the cab

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If it looks like a good chunk of the column is messed up..looking at the manual, its mostly column 3. Could something in that chain being bad cause the stuff below it to malfunction? It goes stand up, jackpot opto, standup, 2 spinners, stand up, shrunken head, then idol. Pretty confident the spinners and stand ups are working tho..

Looks to be good there as well

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Really at a loss of where else to look..may end up paying a tech to come look at it soon

I have a friend that supports a route and an 80 pin location..just gotta get him over to help...

F20 had a 3a slow blow instead of a 4. Someone else definitely had issues prior to me owning it between the idol not wired right and the wrong fuse. Also I'm pretty sure the boards and optos i replaced were not original

So..you're saying the part in my hand should plug into the backbox somewhere?

I have 5v at the power board...and only .78 at the opto amplifiers. They're not getting power so that'd kinda compute.

So went to compare mine against my friends at his business. Helped me troubleshoot / learn to troubleshoot. Had 5v at the i/o and power, did not have 5v at the opto amplifier boards as thought earlier in this thread. Had .78. When I was in his machine, i did notice his amp boards lit up. Mine did not. Definitely a power issue. Saw this thread, recalled one earlier that noted something unplugged when they transported it. My friends didn't have that wire hanging that mine did. After about 5 min poking behind looms in the backbox i found the dangling wire. Plugged it in - success.

If it helps anyone in the future to recap - problem 1) my idol opto was wired incorrectly. Violet/blue goes to the opto, green single goes to the amp board. Problem 2. The ground wire was separated in the back box, flopped into the cab. Optos and boards probably were fine but we'll never know because i swapped them and there's no way in hell i'm swapping them back. If they're notoriously bad after years they were probably close do due anyways.

Thanks everyone for the help. Truely appreciate it.