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Right Jet Locked - Sys11

By TheCnyPinGuy

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    Hi

    I acquired a sys11 Millionaire

    The right jet bumper coil was burnt and the Q73 was toast as well black smoke must of been present as well

    The ball was wedged between the rail
    Guide and the bumper skirt :-/

    So I replace the coil / Q73 and Q72 to be safe

    I did sub out the TIP122 for a TIP102 as its more robust

    I cleaned it all up and put it back in the head
    Used my meter all paths have continuity etc

    Now it immediately locks on upon power up

    What else am I missing ??

    I see these are special coils in the Manual

    Any help would be great

    Attached is before and after

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    #4 3 years ago

    This game doesn’t have the aux Board

    Sound / Cpu / flipper / power supply

    #6 3 years ago

    Thank you

    I am still digging but thought I had the issue resolved

    Would the TIP102 be the issue since it was a TIP122 or there equal parts

    #8 3 years ago

    That is correct I disconnect the connector with the blue corresponding wire and no longer locked on so I have a bad I see Chip that’s affecting only one coil I assume

    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from slochar:

    No.
    Disconnect the special switch input at the cpu board, see if it still locks on. If it does, you have a board issue (74xx chip likely). If it doesn't, you have a playfield issue.
    If it does it at bootup in game over mode, it's likely on the cpu board.
    Predriver transistor, then the 74 series logic chip are likely suspects.

    Which chip ?

    u50 Or u45 ?

    2 weeks later
    #11 3 years ago

    Hi Everyone

    So I replaced the U45

    Same results

    Used meter all paths are good and making contact

    The right jet still immediately locks on upon power up

    So to recap

    Replaced Coil - Driver Q + Pre Driver Q
    Also replaced the U45

    Both Transistors are still testing good

    Any other reasons this is happening

    Thanks
    James

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    #14 3 years ago
    Quoted from slochar:

    There's a sneak ground somewhere then if the transistors are good. It's on power up, not game start/self test?

    Yes ASAP at power up

    Locks on

    All other coils are fine

    Not sure what else feeds this special coil not much in the manual

    Any help is great

    Thank you

    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from DumbAss:

    I think you want to disconnect 1J18 and not 1J19. If you disconnect 1J19 the solenoid will never fire because you disconnected the drive wire (path to ground) from the solenoid.

    Okay so if I disconnect this what will it isolate ?

    Either locks on or not at all ?

    #17 3 years ago
    Quoted from DumbAss:

    Special solenoids are enabled by either the CPU or the special solenoid (playfield) switch. The controlling signal is combined (logical OR) at U45 or U50.
    If you disconnect the playfield input this will isolate the problem to either the CPU board or the playfield switch (or supporting component). This is the best first diagnostic step. Replacing a transistor or IC on the CPU board will not fix the problem when the problem is a playfield switch.
    If you disconnect 1J18 and the solenoid still locks on then the problem is on your CPU board. If the solenoid no longer locks on you have a playfield switch (or supporting component) problem.

    I’ll take a look and report back

    Thank you for the explanation

    #18 3 years ago

    Hi

    With 1J18 unplugged from cpu

    Jet still immediately locks

    What else might be causing this ?

    Not a huge deal as my kids enjoy it anyways but rather it worked correctly

    Thank you for your help

    #23 3 years ago

    Hi

    Okay so your saying this is looking like a playfield issue from what I have already done to remedy

    And not the Game Board

    Just wanted to clarify

    As mentioned above the original there was a stuck ball that caused this coil to lock down

    I appreciate everyone’s help

    I truly do

    #26 3 years ago

    Hi

    To clarify your message for point 2

    With the 1J18 The coils Does still lock on

    Would you recommend me replacing the 2 driver transistors even though they still test good or do you feel that’s a waste of time as the problem is else where

    What page in the Manual did you find the schematic for the special coil

    I Really appreciate all of the assistance you have given me to give this game a new lease on life

    #28 3 years ago

    Hi

    No offense taken and again thank you for helping me try to isolate the issue

    - -

    Just following the standards steps here

    Burnt coil discovered - replaced coil and the driver Q / Pre Driver

    Didn’t solve the issue Going even deeper than my usual repair entail at this point but still willing to try my best

    So then I replaced the U45 IC - still no resolution Coil a locks - no change as before the IC chip was replaced

    Now to clarity with Only 1J18 connector unplugged the Jet locks as soon as power is on before game fully boots

    Sorry for any confusion

    #30 3 years ago

    Hey

    All good

    I’m off all Morning tomorrow and will slowly pick through this Valuable help you have provided me in hopes to find the failed component causing this locked coil

    I will report back with my findings

    Again I am grateful for your assistance and hope To be successful as results

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