I'm totally in. Got my Fang Club signed up and cash ready!

I'm a little nervous that there's a Plumbus and my kids are going to ask me about it. But if part of the deal in having a R&M is having The Talk with the kids, it's worth it.

Respectfully disagree. I don't care if people think it's clever, I just dig the absurd humor.

Do what you like, but you might find it more entertaining if you watched an episode. Many things are impenetrable if you just grab a bit from the middle. Ever try to jump into the middle of a stand-up routine?

That aside, every new post I hold my breath for a playfield shot. Every new post is someone making another R&M reference, and I get more hyped. This is going to be a long night of anxiously glancing at this thread and wondering what the heck I'm going to sell out of my basement.

Also, Accounting has the man himself with different characters. The game is bonkers. You'll find yourself just sitting around being heckled by the tree guy for minutes, and screwing with the various characters is hilarious.

And there's a R&M VR game, proper.

With all the VO in those games, I'm optimistic that there's going to be a lot of great VO in the pinball table!

Thank you for the family mode. I’m in for one, and I was assuming I’d just have to keep the table off when my kids were around.

If there’s a Mr Poopy Butthole on this table and my 7-year-old asks about it.... oh man.

750 Limited Edition games, I saw in the video. I assumed that meant 750 LE’s and there would be a “standard” edition, too.

Does anybody know for sure? 750-and-done would be....unfortunate.

Personally, I think they’re going to blow through 750 units pretty quick.

I see, I didn’t know the scale you guys build tables at. I’m in for one, and I’m sure you’ll end up selling out. This is a great theme, and I trust Scott has a great design for us.

I just hope I’m able to get one.

I don't really buy before I play (let alone SEE), but with the people involved in this one and the theme, I'm willing to stick my neck out.

If this is all a practical joke and the playfield is a haunted house bagatelle, I'll sell you mine at a good discount, Mike.

Can all you guys who feel the need to tell us how much you dislike the TV show go start a thread in off-topic? Half of this thread is filled with people arguing over each others' opinions of various TV shows.

Just ask ‘em!

I keed, I keed...

Best part of the show, IMHO. The show seems half-improv all the time, but the cable shows leave my jaw slack every time I see them.

Oh man, what if there are fake doors on the pin? Drops that immediately pop up?

Watching Season 4 now I can't help but think "they put this scene in cause it would be a great pinball mode". Collect the heist members? Are you serious!? That's practically MADE to be a way to qualify a mode!

Please stop trolling.

I’m happy to have Kingpin taking care of me on this one. Everybody’s all freaked out about how hard it is going to be to buy a R&M. I told Kingpin I want one, and now I’m going to wait for my BSE to be built. Easy peasy.

I’m still going to refresh this thread hourly to see what the reveal looks like, of course.

At first I thought they were making a mistake by calling this table a limited edition and telling us they won't make any more R&M tables, ever. But think about it:

750 units at <=10/week is 75 weeks of building R&M. If they start on January 1 2020 and manage 10/week solid throughout the whole run (clearly not possible) the last table would roll off the line June 11, 2021.

Spooky has said they don't want to hire a bunch of staff intending to have a string of megahits and then have to lay people off when one table doesn't go stratospheric. So, 10/week is their business model, and at that rate 750 total units should carry them 1.5 years. One would presume they intend to keep designing pinball tables, and it's a safe bet that by the time 750 rabid R&M fans have their tables that there will be MORE hype for whatever's coming next.

Consider the options:

1) Limited run of 750: They will easily sell 750 tables with a combination of rabid fans, gotta-have-it collectors, and FOMO. When they're done they tear down the production line and start making their next thing. Nice and clean, and they're nearly guaranteed to sell 750.

2) Limited run of 1500: They MAY sell all the tables. But they have to hire a bunch of people to do so, and suffer the giant HR hassle of temporary staff. No-shows, walk-offs, and staff who are either bad at making pinball tables or are good but take a dozen tables to learn their trade. I'll pay extra for the "Non-Temp Edition", please.

3) Build 750, but leaving the door open for future runs: People will play wait-and-see, like many of us do with Stern releases (like I'm VERY glad I did with Deadpool, and wish I had with Ghostbusters). They might sell 750, but there won't be a rush. And a couple years from now when more people want R&M, their production line will be busy with their newest table. Spooky added uncertainty to their 750-unit run, and gained a PITA later to re-tool to build a few more tables for those that weren't sure they wanted a R&M.

Knowing that Spooky can make 10/week makes this 750 unit limited run a very wise move, IMHO.

Could be! It's a tough call. On the one hand, they may sell some more R&M's. On the other hand, they're probably going to sell at least as many of whatever's AFTER R&M's 750, if they can keep the hits coming.

I like low second-hand prices, but I'd rather see more new designs from Spooky that are hard to get my hands on than fewer, more numerous tables. And it's not like I couldn't get my hands on an AMH or RZ or TNA tomorrow if I REALLY wanted one.

I've worked for small shops where layoffs are a Big Deal. So I disagree with you there. But if you don't see it, think of other factors:

1. It's expensive to hire and fire
2. Benton, WI doesn't have a huge labor pool to pull from
3. More production = more overhead (real estate, equipment, administrative staff, etc)
4. Some people just like working in a small shop, with fewer people

We've got a pinball market that stretches from Stern down to Spooky, and I think we're all fortunate for that. Stern can do things Spooky can't, and vice versa.

Is one of the Bloodsucker Edition's features a tub of cheese balls shipped in the cabinet?

Is it true the games ship with a cheese ball dispenser in the coin door?

Is the second flipper button used to have a backup when the first one is too coated with cheese goo to operate properly?

I need more details about this game....

It's a cheese ball cover up!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/scott-danesi-2-haunted-house-party/page/8#post-5331356

We got 'em, guys! <air high fives>

It's well-established fact that each view is worth five purchases.

That's why people are so freaked out. They're only making 750 games, but they're already clocking an estimated 170,000 orders, and adding roughly 35,000 orders per day.

Friendly thread reminder: we're about to go wildly off-topic again, this time into free market economics.

Pinside really is like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. We're all trying to find our way through the thread to learn more about R&M, but in the end we always end up falling into a spiked pit.

For the record, I'm all in favor of Scott's RGB habit! The rest of the industry should be embarrassed at the light show in TNA. Part of what I'm looking forward to is the awesome RGB wipes, full-table "flashers", and situational GI coloring from TNA brought into this new pin.

Yeah, that'll be interesting. I'm in on a Blood Sucker Edition, but I can see many people not wanting to throw down more cash for non-functional upgrades.

See those quotes, everyone? Everyone can just sit back and relax. Nothing's going to happen until after the game is shown.

After images come out, Fang Club members may resume freaking out by pounding refresh on your email client. Except those of us who are buying through a distributor. We'll keep chilling out until our distributor has our pin ready.

Thanks for your service, Kingpin; I'm not going to develop OCD over Christmas.

Excellent info dump. Thanks, Luke!

I have it on good authority that this is actually the TOP SIDE of the table. That's the innovation.

Also, look at all those pretty RGB lights..... drool.

You can see the P3-ROC boards in the under-playfield shots.

Theft implies you’re getting nothing in return.

I’m in for a BSE. Very nicely done, Spooky, the game looks fantastic!

Thank you for making a PG version. If I’m being honest I might not have been able to buy if the game sounded anything like the show without the beeps.

Is PG speech mode adjustable by clock, or do I have to go into the menus each time?

Cripes, I'm already considering mods for a table I haven't yet bought. I'd have to wire a power cut switch for it so the kids don't watch Interdimensional cable. Regular cable is already scarring enough.

Would anybody be mad if I tested the site's code by trying to order 749 R&M's?

Wow, you can adjust how freaked out Tipper Gore would be about your game!? How unnecessarily cool is that!

Congrats to everyone at Spooky! That was a heck of a launch day! I've never seen a giant thread like this on Pinside where everyone is so positive and excited. It's some kind of Christmas miracle.

750 tables in four hours... that's about 3 tables per minute, eh?

I know every theme has fans, so I don't want to poop on anybody's favorite theme. I'll just say this: look at the hype around R&M and then look at the hype around everything else that has come out recently... I think R&M was a good choice.

Just pop one of these TNA RGB bulbs in there (I'm sure that's what's already IN the pop):

https://www.pinballlife.com/p-roc-rgb-pop-bumper-board-assembly.html

Then make a pop cap that has a portal graphic printed on the backside, ala Stern's flat pops. Put a color light show on the pop and you get the cool effect without a custom part.

In fairness, Ryan Reynolds (as much as I love his performance) is just one voice of Deadpool throughout the years. The voice of Deadpool they used has played Deadpool before... I believe in a video game?

Also, Brian Posehn wrote the Deadpool pinball script, but he also co-wrote some EXCELLENT Deadpool comics. This one is one of my favorites, but there's a bunch in this run that shows off Posehn's chops:

https://www.amazon.com/Deadpool-Vol-1-Dead-Presidents/dp/0785166807

I was very much looking forward to Deadpool pinball, but turned it down for two things: not enough voiced content, and the crossover shot to the ramp is absolute janky garbage.

I never quite got this one... toys are awesome. Toys on springs....suck?

Should Spooky mount the ship on a stick? Like all the other Hallmark ornaments people are going to stuff all over their tables the instant they get them? Would the ship be cool then?

The ship is stuffed with RGB LEDs. That's more than I can say about the TIE fighter on my Star Wars, or any of the molded figures on my MBRSE, and I don't much care that it has been seen in another product before.

There’s not much in the way of what people call toys that I’d call awesome. I rarely even notice Smaug on Hobbit, and that’s one of the most elaborate toys around. The Borg ship in TNG is huge, but to me it’s just a bunch of plastic to hide mechs. Why spend a ton of cash putting gigantic cosmetic toys in a game?

To me functional design elements are more interesting, cause you interact with them in the game. Like the drawbridge in MM or the crate in SS. Toys are more to fill space and make the table look more like a “world under glass”. I think the ship and house do that nicely, and there’s a big swath of space on the left of R&M to put anything you like. I suspect I’ll go with the TV showing Intergalactic Cable if someone makes one, cause Intergalactic Cable is mind-numbing fun, and it’ll give me something to watch while the bonus counts up.

The garage leads to a subway that pops out (immediately!) to a trough at the left in-lane.

The spinner is a left-to-right orbit.

The right orbit can come out by the spinner or land in the garage hole depending on the status of a diverter.

Consider TNA had pretty dark playfield art and it was plenty bright. R&M is lit similarly and its art is brighter. Should be OK.

Full RGB on all lights gives Spooky the ability to make some awesome light shows, as we all saw in TNA!

Thanks for the clarification! That GIF had me thinking it really was a magnetized plate.

No rubber for me, I think. The cool trick with the portal is that it's a fast movement from garage to portal. More speed = more cool!

Getting more anxious by the day.

Have that as a Rick callout whenever it happens, and suddenly that's a feature.

Everybody keeps throwing ideas out at you guys, and you keep saying "did that". You're really taking the air out of Pinside's attempts to find something to gripe about, ya know?

Invent the Pop Pass.

Dude, you’re trying to read a build order of pinball tables given a stupid order number on an eCommerce system?

Did anyone at Spooky ever say that these stupid order numbers equate to pinball tables?

Did anyone at Spooky ever say that if you order first you’re going to get the first game?

People need to walk away from their order numbers and chill the heck out.

You have a funny way of going about it.

Please, chill out about the order numbers. Order numbers are not pinball tables. I placed order #111-8094688-0292218 at Amazon earlier today, but that doesn’t mean I’m getting anything before the guy with #111-8094688-0292219.

Everybody’s tell you to take a deep breath. Please listen to the sage wisdom of Pinside.

No kidding. You wonder why Stern doesn't venture into posting on Pinside? Because a few whiny children take any information and turn it into a temper tantrum.

Grow up, guys. You bought a pre-order pinball table, and you knew full well you'd be waiting something less than 18 months to get it. If you don't like it, sell your slot to someone who is OK with the wait.

Point taken about the name calling, but folks here made themselves a straw man out of inference and order numbers and are now bashing it when reality didn't meet their willfully-ignorant expectations.

It's foolish, and it serves no purpose than to start a flame war. All Spooky said was "we make 10/week", and "we ship 50/50 between distributors and direct order". Everything else is reading tea leaves.

I see that there's some inference in the communications from Spooky, and reasonable people could read their words different ways. But I think the response from a few people here is way out-of-proportion. This is not a Predator or JPop situation. Everyone was told they'll get one of 750 tables, and production starts in January. Nobody here was given a build order.

Spooky's a little company. Making pins will take time. Let's all buckle in for the long haul of seeing "I got mine" posts and people obsessing over how much their shipping company is screwing up. We'll be here for 18 months, give or take.

Make a record of Scott's stuff and I'll buy it, themed as R&M or not! My turntable is down by my pins, so I'd play it while working on my games.

Ditto. Got my MBR from Kingpin, and I'm getting my R&M from him as well. He's top notch!

Thank you, Eric! This is a big feature for my house. This is going to save me a lot of grief setting the table back and forthe.

Agreed, it’s table stakes for me these days. Seeing it first on JJP tables with some very nice light shows on Hobbit, and then done REALLY well on TNA, a game would have to be incredible for me to buy without RGB lighting.

Spooky addressed this a while back. I think it might have been in the Spooky podcast? As I remember it, their position was that if they continued the "prior customers get first dibs", all tables would sell out to the same customers, forever. They aren't interested in becoming a gigantic production line like Stern, so they simply won't have the capacity to produce a table for every one of their previous customers without also limiting their tables to previous customers.

The Fang Club was the solution to this conundrum. I understand your point, and if you want more information on why they chose this solution, I encourage you to go check Spooky's Fang Club podcast episode and read up on Charlie and Luke's posts for more detail.

Use a podcast app with speed control. I speed up all podcasts to varying degrees, and it saves a ton of listening time. Most of them I do at 1.25x and they still sound normal. The EM Dungeon segment I put at 1.5x and it sounded fine.

In other news, how has nobody reported that Rick said "Lionman!" in the podcast? I'm so psyched for the callouts. I think I'm going to turn the "adult" callout percentage down real low, to up the shock value of Rick berating me. It'll also really stretch how long the game feels "new", as I hear new things every time I play.

Thanks for the details, Eric! I appreciate you taking the time to explain features, to say nothing of actually developing the most comprehensive family filter ever seen in pinball!

Disagree. They were created to let everyone around you know you're the alpha pinball player in the arcade. It was a knocker because we didn't have any other way to make a distinctive noise.

I'm in this hobby to play pinball. Knocker thunks are irrelevant to me. I turn off all my Stern "knocker" beeps, I turned off my Taxi bell, and I turn off knockers when they are obnoxious.

But hey, if you like 'em, buy the knocker. Looks like Spooky made a good choice on an optional feature!

Now, how about that shaker? I'll buy it if it's well-integrated into gameplay. Such as a little bump when a Meeseeks goes bad, or jolts when a mode is completed or some such. Seeing haptic feedback done well on the Switch and on the iPhone has made a believer of me. I suppose you'd need power control to do some tricks, but it seems an underutilized device to me.

I'll guess I'll wait to see what Eric whips up for us!

Yeah, can we tone it down a bit? It's starting to look like Tumblr in here.

I hate loud fans. I'd pay for a quieter power supply that was under warranty. But yeah, NewEgg sells hundreds of case fans that will do the job.

Oh, you poor soul! Good luck sorting that mess out.

Followed by six pages of Pinside bitching "I asked Spooky what my build order is and didn't get an answer. I heard they're taking the money for R&M and flying to Mexico!"

Look back a bunch of pages and you'l see a bunch of parents asking about this. Definitely not 99%!

There's a difference between censorship and limiting explicit content, though. Those of us using the feature are generally doing so to avoid small children hearing something like "stick it in your ass, Morty!" if they aren't quite mature enough for that kind of language yet.

I don't think many would want to censor the explicit language for those who want it!

I imagine some operators will appreciate their game not dropping F-bombs on location, too.

I bet that coin mech doesn't work.

In that case, the club thread can't come too soon! Someone post a pic of game #1 soon, please!

Have you READ this thread? We aren't dealing with a lot of rational people, here....

Please stop. We can all count. Nobody wants to see three hundred of these posts.

Don't worry. Flame wars only work if two people participate.

Standard carbon steel balls generally work fine. You'll find a variety of opinions on which balls are good, or if any balls are better than others. Just replace them if they start to become affected.

I had some of the balls on a Space Jam that would become so magnetized that they would come to a dead stop in the (metal-wired) in-lane, so I'm a believer in some-are-worse-than-others viewpoint. I buy Pinball Life's standard balls now and haven't had problems with my magnet-equipped games since.

Your mileage may vary... you can find extensive threads on magnetization if you're interested.

Remember when people were wondering why the heck you'd change dimensions when bad things may happen and all you get is a lousy seed? I guess that's our answer. Risk/reward.

Sounds like getting as many seeds on your first ball as possible is going to be valuable. Sounds like fun! I love "do it early" or "do it late" gameplay features!

I bought a Star Wars and jones'ed for the R2D2 topper for months before finally giving up interest, and then was happy I did when I saw how much they ended up wanting for it.

I wondered if Spooky would even make a topper for R&M, and if I would buy one, and then Spooky tells us "oh, we're making one and you can have it for free."

This was unexpected, and unnecessarily generous of you, Spooky! Thanks so much!

I have AirPods, and I love 'em. But they aren't built for high-quality, full-range audio. Bluetooth is convenient, and "good enough" for most applications.

Turn the swearing off, but we're all fooling ourselves if we think this is any more appropriate for an 8yo than watching Family Guy on network TV.

We're buying one anyway, and it'll be a teaching moment for my 7 & 9 year olds. I'm fully prepared to have the "your teacher said you called another kid 'Mr Poopy Butthole' at school today" talk. It's the cost of buying this game, and I accept that. It's if the sex bot makes an appearance that I'm a little worried.

Superbands play so differently on flippers, though. Not in a way I like, personally.

Is it just the flippers that fail for you on location or the rings, too? I've got >2yr old silicon rings that are holding up fine (at home).

Why not four? The bolts are long enough....

Got my Fang Club schwag today! Came in a tube from Woodward Printing, so that's what it is!

What kind of dumbass am I that I never thought of doing that with Pringles?

Like R&M but hate superheroes? Or is it superheroes = Stern, and Stern = bad? Either way I don't get it. I want all the things! Rick berating Beast or Iron Man for being second-rate geniuses, or riffing on the "Juggernaut, bitch" meme... cameos are good stuff!

Fair enough. I certainly wouldn't want to emulate Family Guy by making the whole thing about call-outs to other media. And you're right, there's a ton of material to pull from in R&M proper. But the show makes plenty of references, and I certainly wouldn't mind if they pulled a sight gag or two with any kind of R&M-art-style cameos they could get their hands on.

I guess I trust the creators to deliver something that's not out-of-character for the show; I'm sure whatever we get is going to be great!

Thank goodness they didn't build R&M with the bell from Taxi....

The pins at IO are fantastic. And heavily played, so you may want to plan your visit around busy bar times for 20-30-somethings!

Congrats to I/O Arcade Bar and Madison Pinball for hosting the stream! If you're near Madison, WI, it's a great place for games and pins.

Game lineup here: https://ioarcade.bar/#games-section

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