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#1101 1 year ago

I believe that the "Blood Sucker" edition IS the "LE". But, I may be wrong.

#1102 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

The game is limited to 750.
Of those 750, some may be BS editions which have a custom trim package if the customer requests it.
That’s it. Not too complex.

Yes.....actually pretty simple. If you want to get one absolutely, positively, get into the fang club AND be ready to commit/make a deposit early. If you want to spend a little less and don't mind waiting a little longer, just commit to the non-BS edition.

I think the biggest struggle here is for Stern/JJP buyers. Spookys model cannot be directly compared to them.....so don't try.

#1103 1 year ago

I wonder why the announcement of 750 total made? I understand that is fueled partly by what Spooky can manufacturer in an acceptable time frame, but it seems otherwise intended to drive FOMO.

The TNA model seems more healthy. Announce a number you're going to make "right now" and maybe we make more later, maybe we don't.

Throw in the Blood Suckers as the actual LE, and seems like a good plan. I understand this decision has already been made for this title, but I question it.

#1104 1 year ago
Quoted from Coyote:

I believe that the "Blood Sucker" edition IS the "LE". But, I may be wrong.

See, Confusion.

#1105 1 year ago
Quoted from gliebig:

I have bronchitis.

I woke up with a slight case of bongchitis myself.

#1106 1 year ago

I am not sure why so many people are completely incapable of reading the posts and understanding what is very clear?

750 total games. That is it. No more and no less.

You want a game? Then you should probably join the gang club to have a shot. Sounds like they will sell out and the gang club members have the first possible shot at them.

#1107 1 year ago

BS edition.

I really like that term lol

#1108 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder why the announcement of 750 total made? I understand that is fueled partly by what Spooky can manufacturer in an acceptable time frame, but it seems otherwise intended to drive FOMO.
The TNA model seems more healthy. Announce a number you're going to make "right now" and maybe we make more later, maybe we don't.
Throw in the Blood Suckers as the actual LE, and seems like a good plan. I understand this decision has already been made for this title, but I question it.

My sentiments exactly.

#1109 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

What about the leftovers in the "fang club" that could have paid and potentially be left with no game?
No it does not look so simple at all (yes could well get technical, messy and Complex!) now that there are Two Limited Editions and no regular editions, for an obviously hot title.

How is it confusing?
Every Spooky pin is low production.
They are a specialty boutique “boo-tique” company. It’s part of the charm of this company.
Being low production is not the same as limited edition. Yes, it’s limited production but that’s a different thing.

I don’t see this as being all that much different than what they have done in the past with other games like Rob Zombie where the total production was 300 units. 250 of those were standard units, while only 50 were LE.
Alice Cooper was only 500 units, but the difference there was you could buy upgrades and customize the machine to your personal liking.
Personally I really like the way they do things. When you get one of their pins they feel like they are something special rather than a mass produced product from a hot dog factory.

#1110 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I am not sure why so many people are completely incapable of reading the posts and understanding what is very clear?
750 total games. That is it. No more and no less.

Let me go get my reading glasses.

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#1111 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

What about the leftovers in the "fang club" that could have paid and potentially be left with no game?
No it does not look so simple at all (yes could well get technical, messy and Complex!) now that there are Two Limited Editions and no regular editions, for an obviously hot title.
Makes no sense.

It makes sense.

There’s one edition. 750.

Fang Club members get a 2 week early window to order & option to buy an exclusive trim upgrade package for their 1 of 750. Upgraded versions are known as “Blood Suckers Edition”.

That’s it. Not complex.

#1112 1 year ago
Quoted from Coindork:

product from a hot dog factory.

Mmmmmm, hotdogs!

#1113 1 year ago
Quoted from Jackontherocks:

Be you hate Iron Maiden music too and like trendy alternative crap

Not that I hate it, but that shit's so outdated I can't even listen to it anymore.

#1114 1 year ago

My fomo has a mandatory meeting with fomy (fear of my wife) tonight.

#1115 1 year ago

Joined the club, bought the album...

All set!

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#1116 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I am not sure why so many people are completely incapable of reading the posts and understanding what is very clear?
750 total games. That is it. No more and no less.
You want a game? Then you should probably join the gang club to have a shot. Sounds like they will sell out and the gang club members have the first possible shot at them.

So you can not order a BS edition (within the prescribed time frame) if the orders have reached 750? ... even if half of those below 750 are regular Limited Editions? . It has the potential to turn contradictory.

Probably won't happen, but could. What if it does happen? ? ... it seems some shit will hit the fan one way or another.

The "Limited Edition" decision seems to lack fore-thought in some ways, perhaps.

#1117 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder why the announcement of 750 total made? I understand that is fueled partly by what Spooky can manufacturer in an acceptable time frame, but it seems otherwise intended to drive FOMO.

FOMO is how pinball survives. Stern sells LEs thru FOMO....everything else they sell is gravy. Jack’s model doesn’t inspire FOMO. AP’s doesn’t either.

That being said, Spooky is doing this because they know what they can build in a time frame. They’ll have guaranteed cash to pay everyone for a known amount of time. What they’re doing makes sense for their small business.

TNA was different. That was almost like a bonus game while ACNC was really their main game on the line.

#1118 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder why the announcement of 750 total made? I understand that is fueled partly by what Spooky can manufacturer in an acceptable time frame, but it seems otherwise intended to drive FOMO.
The TNA model seems more healthy. Announce a number you're going to make "right now" and maybe we make more later, maybe we don't.
Throw in the Blood Suckers as the actual LE, and seems like a good plan. I understand this decision has already been made for this title, but I question it.

Why? It makes total sense. It’s part of their sales/marketing attack... but also leaves them with a manageable amount of games to make in a reasonable amount of time.

That’s all there is to it.

It works

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#1119 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

So you can not order a BS edition (within the prescribed time frame) if the orders have reached 750? ... even if half of those below 750 are regular Limited Editions? . It has the potential to turn contradictory.
Probably won't happen, but could. What if it does happen? ? ... it seems some shit will hit the fan one way or another.
The "Limited Edition" decision seems to lack fore-thought.

Once again, all Spooky games have been limited. Limited is the baseline.

Of those 750, any of them can be made into BSE. Nothing contradictory. Not sure why you can’t wrap your head around this.

Once 750 R&Ms sell, they’re GONE. If there are 750 Fang Club members and they buy them all in the 2 weeks, they’re gone. If 400 of 750 turn into BSE, that’s the # of BSE.

Spooky is NOT selling this like a Stern or JJP.

There is ONE game, 750 units. Any of those 750 may be upgraded for the Fang Club buyer to a BSE.

That’s it.

#1120 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

FOMO is how pinball survives. Stern sells LEs thru FOMO....everything else they sell is gravy. Jack’s model doesn’t inspire FOMO. AP’s doesn’t either.
That being said, Spooky is doing this because they know what they can build in a time frame. They’ll have guaranteed cash to pay everyone for a known amount of time. What they’re doing makes sense for their small business.
TNA was different. That was almost like a bonus game while ACNC was really their main game on the line.

Doesn't mean playing on FOMO isn't a questionable way to go about it.

If there is demand for 1000+ regular editions, why not be using that as a launchpad to expand capacity a little?

.... boutique or not, still there to make money, so why leave a heap of money laying on the table, along with disgruntled paid up Fang Club members??. Expanding capacity a little isn't going to turn them into a hotdog manufacturer. They can still do the same work, and have the same values, and still be "boutique". Boutique does not require everything to be limited edition.

Production capacity may be "limited", that is all. Also capacity is certainly a variable to an extent.

#1121 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Once again, all Spooky games have been limited. Limited is the baseline.
Of those 750, any of them can be made into BSE. Nothing contradictory. Not sure why you can’t wrap your head around this.
Once 750 R&Ms sell, they’re GONE. If there are 750 Fang Club members and they buy them all in the 2 weeks, they’re gone. If 400 of 750 turn into BSE, that’s the # of BSE.
Spooky is NOT selling this like a Stern or JJP.
There is ONE game, 750 units. Any of those 750 may be upgraded for the Fang Club buyer to a BSE.
That’s it.

Agree most of this.

However games are also being allocated to distributors so if there were 750 Fang Club members they would not all get games.

This is why I think being a Fang Club Member doesn't totally guarantee a game ( was told this directly ).

I think it would help if Spooky addressed this before it gets messy.

#1122 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder why the announcement of 750 total made?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rick-amp-morty-pinball-from-spooky/page/6#post-5335828

"we often limit to what we feel we can do in a timely manner that is a fair wait time for the customer. Also the limit is a huge part of the draw for some people and makes it cool when you can get ahold of one!"

#1123 1 year ago

Pretty sure it was stated earlier 750 is how many machines they feel they can produce during the time frame they have the licence. This number was calculated on their current rate of games produced per week. Not sure what's so hard to understand. Can't compare to TNA cause the licensing constraint isn't there.

#1124 1 year ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Agree most of this.
However games are also being allocated to distributors so if there were 750 Fang Club members they would not all get games.
This is why I think being a Fang Club Member doesn't totally guarantee a game ( was told this directly ).
I think it would help if Spooky addressed this before it gets messy.

It’s not their first go at riding a bull at the rodeo.
I’m sure there is some basic mathematics that would tell them how many they need for distributors VS fang club members and could cap membership or limit membership privileges/eligibility at any time for newer signups if they wanted to.
If signups get out of control, they might have to put a cap on it (simple).
I for one hope they have that problem.
Go team Spooky.

#1125 1 year ago

Well as long as we're all left to wild speculation...

I don't know how appropriate a "Blood Sucker" set of addons is going to be for a R&M theme? I assume Spooky has thought this through, but on the surface it seems like a dripping blood paint apron or whatever isn't really going to enhance the theme.

And honestly paying for a poster and the priviledge of ordering first (Fang Club) is distasteful, but I guess "Capitalism".

I dunno. I AM a fan of Spooky pinball, but not a "joiner" I guess.

PS> Iron Maiden 4 Ever!

#1126 1 year ago

Indeed Go Team Spooky!

But, there Are Definately aspects (given the theme popularity) that very well could get "messy" and certainly "complex". I'm sure that is not desirable.

I'm hoping that is simple enough to follow.

There are questions that have no answer...

#1127 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

If there is demand for 1000+ regular editions, why not be using that as a launchpad to expand capacity a little?
.... boutique or not, still there to make money, so why leave a heap of money laying on the table, along with disgruntled paid up Fang Club members??

I think you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions here. We don’t know there is demand for 1000. It’s highly doubtful there will be 750 Fang Club members. Pretty sure anyone joining Fang Club just to get a R&M will be able to get one.

Keep in mind, as with every Spooky game - buyers lose patience. If it does sell out, you’ll see people selling spots or even early buyers selling their game to chase the next shiny. Anyone who wants a R&M will be able to get one. However if you’re worried - join the Fang Club & order one.

#1128 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

There are questions that have no answer...

They’ve all been answered, you keep ignoring them lol.

#1129 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

I don't know how appropriate a "Blood Sucker" set of addons is going to be for a R&M theme? I assume Spooky has thought this through, but on the surface it seems like a dripping blood paint apron or whatever isn't really going to enhance the theme.

It’s just a name. They wouldn’t make trim that doesn’t match the license.

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#1130 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

And honestly paying for a poster and the priviledge of ordering first (Fang Club) is distasteful, but I guess "Capitalism".

I had considered sending in a silly video about how much I deserved to own one, but the $45 seemed a little easier on my own self respect.

#1131 1 year ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Agree most of this.
However games are also being allocated to distributors so if there were 750 Fang Club members they would not all get games.
This is why I think being a Fang Club Member doesn't totally guarantee a game ( was told this directly ).
I think it would help if Spooky addressed this before it gets messy.

Rarehero summed it up pretty succinctly.

If there are more Fang Club members that want a game than the 750 available, then some will not get a game.

If all Fang Club members want a BSE, then all 750 games will be BSE.

--
Rob Anthony
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#1132 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

I think you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions here. We don’t know there is demand for 1000. It’s highly doubtful there will be 750 Fang Club members. Pretty sure anyone joining Fang Club just to get a R&M will be able to get one.
Keep in mind, as with every Spooky game - buyers lose patience. If it does sell out, you’ll see people selling spots or even early buyers selling their game to chase the next shiny. Anyone who wants a R&M will be able to get one. However if you’re worried - join the Fang Club & order one.

I said "IF"!

Yes, It IS possible!

No, that question has Not been answered!

Thank you!

#1133 1 year ago
Quoted from Borygard:

Rarehero summed it up pretty succinctly.
If there are more Fang Club members that want a game than the 750 available, then some will not get a game.
If all Fang Club members want a BSE, then all 750 games will be BSE.
--
Rob Anthony
Pinball Classics
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Quality Board Work - In Home Service
borygard at gmail dot com

That Would be pretty dissapointing.

Would there be Refunds for Fang Club membership, for these people whom might get pushed aside?? ... I certainly hope so.

Mess.

#1134 1 year ago

you thinking too hard. I joined the fang club because I like spooky, I have no intention of buying RAM, so throw that in your calculations. fang club is not a pre-order for RAM. There are no limited editions, there are add-on options, some of those add-on options are only available if you join the fang club, that does not make it a limited edition.

#1135 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

That Would be pretty dissapointing.
Would there be Refunds for Fang Club membership for these people?? ... certainly hope so.
Mess.

Joining the club is for a poster.
It's a fan club.

#1136 1 year ago

How much to join the fang club?

#1137 1 year ago

Look....Spooky is a small pinball manufacturer that doesn't (and can't) operate on the same economies of scale as a large manufacturer like Stern.

Spooky puts out maybe 1 game per year. They take their time to try to make the best game they possibly can. They have the resources, manpower, and capacity to do that....but only by limiting the number of games they make.

What if they said they wouldn't cap the number made....or they increased it to, say, 2000. Would you be happy, knowing you were able to get a machine, but that they can't make it for you for 3-4 years? I doubt it. What if, after a few.months, the game was a bust, but they "pre-sold" 2000 of them? Now you have 1500-1800 unsatisfied customers who are trying to get out of their deposit or not making full payment when the time comes. And many of those customers wouldn't come back to Spooky again. Any way you slice it, that would be absolutely devastating to a company like Spooky.

Simple matter of fact:. They are making changes to the way they handle things to help them create additional brand loyalty and develop a sustainable sales model that will drive future revenue. And if everyone wants good competition to drive better future IP and machine titles, them sticking around helps the community as a whole.

The sales model isnt driving FOMO. The title is. Kudos to Spooky for doing what it took to land it.

#1138 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

That Would be pretty dissapointing...

Yes, it definitely would be.

--
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Pinball Classics
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#1139 1 year ago

Ok - it’s pretty simple.

Spooky are making 750 machines. It’s a number they are comfortable making. They don’t want people waiting 2 years to get their machine.

All 750 machines are the same playfield and gameplay.

If you want to become a Fang Club member, you get an earlier opportunity to buy one of the 750 machines. You also have the choice to upgrade your machine to a Fang Club Edition for $500 (ish) which will be the same game, with upgraded armour and maybe some other trinkets.

Spooky are clever enough not to sell 1000 Fang Club memberships - or the shit would hit the fan.

PS I have 9 people on the list for R&M in New Zealand. I can’t think of any other new pin that sold more than that down here, outside of Metallica and AC/DC.

rd

#1140 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Joining the club is for a poster.
It's a fan club.

Despite this, many many people will join understandably thinking this will secure them a game.

It should be made clearer that this membership does NOT (apparently) secure them a copy of RaM.

#1141 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

It should be made clearer that this membership does NOT (apparently) secure them a copy of RaM.

I hope it at least gets me a secret decoder ring.

#1142 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Well as long as we're all left to wild speculation...
I don't know how appropriate a "Blood Sucker" set of addons is going to be for a R&M theme? I assume Spooky has thought this through, but on the surface it seems like a dripping blood paint apron or whatever isn't really going to enhance the theme.
And honestly paying for a poster and the priviledge of ordering first (Fang Club) is distasteful, but I guess "Capitalism".
I dunno. I AM a fan of Spooky pinball, but not a "joiner" I guess.
PS> Iron Maiden 4 Ever!

I don’t think you get it AT ALL.
Spooky is a quirky boutique company with a creepy yet fun and playful horror based persona. Hence some of the plays on words like fang club VS fan club. Boo-tique VS boutique. They put the boo in boutique. Thus far it’s melded well with themes like Alice Cooper. Think of a bunch of punk rock/goth horror sci-fi nerds running a pinball company (pretty cool eh).
Blood sucker edition is just what they are calling that build level.
It doesn’t mean you’re going to get a Rick and Morty pin with blood dripping rails or a severed head for a topper.

You don’t like the idea of the fang club, great don’t join. Someone else will appreciate that spot.

#1143 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Despite this, many many people will join understandably thinking this will secure them a game.
It should be made clearer that this membership does NOT (apparently) secure them a copy of RaM.

It is perfectly clear. The fan club is just that. A fan club.

With that membership, you get some swag and the Access to POSSIBLY buy a game two weeks before those not in the club.

It clearly says no refunds.

#1144 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

That is the way I was understanding it, however if the numbers don't add up and there wind up being more paid members than games, there will be some pretty pissed off punters. That's all.
The limiting to 750 (ie. LIMITED EDITION) sounds like it has a good chance of causing some headaches for this particular title.
As I figure the only way to know seems to be wait and see. A little concerning though.
No wonder people are confused, the BS edition is meant to be the Limited Edition, right?? ... yet now there are suddenly Two Limited Editions. Makes no sense.
eg. Say 2 weeks after release there are 800 orders. In the first 750 orders 400 are BS editions, and 350 are regular Limited Editions, and then the last 50 (chronological FC orders #751-#800, within the cutoff time for ordering BS editions) include BS edition orders, does that over-ride and push out regular order numbers before #750?
Just looks like it has the potential to become a bit of a mess unless something gives. ... ?

You are overthinking it.

There are 750 games. That's it...it's not a 'limited edition'.

The BS is an upgrade option for cosmetics, similar to JJP's LE/CE

They may limit how many of those they actually allow, but I'm not sure they've said yet.

I do wonder if demand will be higher than 750 though and if there are over 750 Fang members how that will be handled. I imagine not every existing member will want one, and I imagine not everyone hyped and joining now is going to want one after the reveal, then additionally if they have to wait 18 months to get one, they'll sell their spot etc. (you know how the hype train goes).

#1145 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Despite this, many many people will join understandably thinking this will secure them a game.
It should be made clearer that this membership does NOT (apparently) secure them a copy of RaM.

No one from Spooky, ever, anywhere, said, impied, or insinuated that being a member of the Fang Club secured them a game. *(Unless it was in reference to a specific member at a specific time before the number of memberships may have exceeded the number of games available)

One of the perks of the Fang Club is you get the chance to purchase a game two weeks before sales open up to non-Fang Club members.

If Fang Club members before you in line purchase all the available games, that sucks, but that's the way lines/waiting lists work.

*edited to add additional comment
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#1146 1 year ago

My take is that the BS edition is limited to the Fang Club preference. Theoretically, if there are 750 people in the Fang Club, and all of them buy a RaM pin, and all of them opt for the Blood Sucker Edition, then all RaM pins would be Blood Suckers.

#1147 1 year ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Ok - it’s pretty simple.
Spooky are making 750 machines. It’s a number they are comfortable making. They don’t want people waiting 2 years to get their machine.
All 750 machines are the same playfield and gameplay.
If you want to become a Fang Club member, you get an earlier opportunity to buy one of the 750 machines. You also have the choice to upgrade your machine to a Fang Club Edition for $500 (ish) which will be the same game, with upgraded armour and maybe some other trinkets.
Spooky are clever enough not to sell 1000 Fang Club memberships - or the shit would hit the fan.
PS I have 9 people on the list for R&M in New Zealand. I can’t think of any other new pin that sold more than that down here, outside of Metallica and AC/DC.
rd

Fair points, now getting (after the umpteenth time checking out the website) that the Fang Club Memberships have "in stock" along side. Of course meaning this could well eventually (perhaps soon) read "Sold Out".

Oh well, the Quick or the Dead!

I know it's painful, but thank you to everyone helping to clarify some things for everyone that really are Not all that clear to see or find, and Are slightly confusing.

Bearing in mind also that "international" fang club members are asked to pay US$95 for their membership.

#1148 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

noticing after the umpteenth time checking out the website, the Fang Club Memberships have "in stock" along side. Of course meaning this could well eventually (perhaps soon) read "Sold Out".

why would the fang club ever sell out? If they sell 751 of them great... if they sell 2,000 of them, great. People might actually want the schwag. When you buy a Stern fan club, that's not guaranteeing you anything either, maybe you like the shirt?

#1149 1 year ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

why would the fang club ever sell out? If they sell 751 of them great... if they sell 2,000 of them, great. People might actually want the schwag. When you buy a Stern fan club, that's not guaranteeing you anything either, maybe you like the shirt?

Please refer to post no. 1139 .....

See, there is confusion and various "understandings"

Simple

#1150 1 year ago

You guys are overthinking this. If you have any interest in R&M join the fan club and reach out to a distributor. $45 isn't going to break anyone that's considering purchasing a $7k machine and the money goes to help support a great business and you even get some swag out of the deal. If you're still interested in the game at reveal put in an order and send in your deposit. It's that simple. I'm sure Spooky is monitoring the number of Fang Club orders and are planning accordingly. If it sells out right away I'm sure there will be a wait list like there was on Rob Zombie. Over the course of the next 1.5 years' as this game gets built I'm sure there will be opportunities to buy. Some people will change their mind or have life changes. There will also likely be a dozen plus games from other manufacturers hit the market in that time. I don't think anyone is going to get froze out if they really want this game.

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