Cool story bro.

Isn’t the Danesi lock 2.0/space ship/scoop a major toy...on top of that, the Danesi 2.0 is pretty revolutionary. Nothing like it in pinball that I know of.

Yeah. Huge toy, interacts with balls, multiple active locks.

He is just trolling

I’m not trolling. I think the pin looks good. Just telling my thoughts about it. Sorry to say one thing that pisses off you guys. Again, I like pins that have a major toy in it. Just one is fine. Am I missing something? If so, please do tell.

define major toy

I like the ramp lowering in Stranger Things and hitting the ball into the Demogorgon.

I like hitting the draw bridge in MM and it lowering to destroy the castle.

Again just a major thing that is the main focus in a game.

Maybe you'll like the main mech in the middle. Not a "sculpt " toy but looks to be very interactive with a lot of code potential.

Like a horseshoe triple ball lock mech that can juggle balls around, open up, deflect balls, has two controlled drop targets, and presumably an AFM type space ship that shakes along with all this?

As for stranger things, I gotta be honest. That toy pretty much blows. The big wide panel opens to be a ramp to blast balls all over the place, the toy is very tough to get a ball in it, and currently it does nothing. No interaction, no shaking, just a hole.

As far as toys go, it is pretty lame.

What about a bash toy?

I see your point. I guess the upper VUK area just looks empty to me. Everything else I like. Pop bumper in lieu of slingshot is cool. I like the risk they took with that.

Then you should try to buy one, they are hard to get a hold of though.

Here is a breakdown of how versatile it is: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rick-amp-morty-pinball-from-spooky/page/115#post-5371166

It’s a bash toy and a hole and moves on the premium / LE. It’s a great toy.

I get what you are saying, due to that lock mech it does make the pf seem kind of meager compared to other games with lots of toys and a big bash toy in the middle of the pf. I guess it's important to realize though that the lock mech appears to be very versatile. This game appears to be in the same design scheme as TNA. I would assume if you don't like TNA, you may not like this game.

I see this game as a throw back to the old, yet infusing modern/original mechs. Not only are the toys cool, but they will heavily rely on code...something that is very modern. I think this game will be very revolutionary to the pin community.

Both great points. Not a big fan of TNA. I like AMH, Alice Cooper.

Buy a toy, drill a hole bottom middle. Then mount above vuk! Done make it a mod.

I am pretty happy there isn't a Bash Toy. I tend to think most of those are pretty lame.

That’s what I was going to say - most toys are just usually standard mechs or even just switches with some sort of sculpt or plastic around them. If that Danesi mech and scoop had a sculpt around it would be a very complicated and interactive toy. Danesi stated earlier that he preferred to use his BOM budget on things that actually affect gameplay and make for a better pinball experience - like second ball troughs, Danesi locks, divertors, incredible rgb everywhere.

Having owned a KISS LE with a POS large toy that loved to malfunction that big toy allure should not be the end all be all. I have PTSD so if this had a giant ball eating Rick head I would have been out.

They can certainly be made to "not drop". The opto in front can trigger "up" solenoid before the ball even hits the target. It does not have to be dropped for the raise coil to be able to "force" the targets to stay up. So they definately can be locked or forced to Stay in the up position, in that way. This can even be done with plain drops that do not have the auto drop feature (providing there is a switch in front of it).

That might work! Would probably need an EOS switch like a flipper coil just to be safe.

I'm just happy this thread got going again, I was so bored this afternoon I started reading the Stranger Things thread, ugh.

the drops have to be able to stay up because it's said the lock can be used as a captive ball so that you can send the ball around to the other side. (Or am I missing something?).

We'll need Spooky to chime in on how the drops work, forced to stay up or drop and immediately reset. But either way the locked ball could be knocked to the other side.

No. This game has ramps. Not even the same at all. It also has a looping shot, etc. This game is not TNA like at all outside of scott mother fucking danesi is the designer.

on TNA when you've locked the first ball the drop target locks in the up position allowing you to lock the 2nd ball. you can even kinda visually see it engage. so yes these should function the same

Here's another possibility with the Danesi lock - if a ball is locked, and the center post is down, and the target is in a mode where it is not forced to stay up, then a solid hit would transfer the ball to the other side, but a glancing hit would release it.

Not sure what is planned, but sooooo many options. Like I said, revolutionary.

From Scott:

Sure!
The locking mechanism is not that complicated. It is a horse shoe loop with 2 drop targets at the openings. There is a center post right int he middle of the horseshoe. There are 2 sets of optos on each side of the mech behind the drop targets and one set of long throw optos in the front of the drop targets and the scoop. The long throw opto set is there to give the software a heads up that there is an incoming ball at high speed. It's actually a super cool assembly that uses all off the shelf parts, which I am a huge fan of. In this configuration, you can load 3 balls into the lock.
The phases of the lock mech can be this:
Open Loop:
Both drop targets down, with no attempt to capture a ball. This will act as a super high speed turn around from both directions.
Ready to capture 1 ball:
When a lock is qualified, the mech will still leave both drop targets down. A ball can be captured by shooting the lock in either direction. This will capture the ball on one side.
1 ball in lock, but number 2 not qualified:
This is a cool situation, both drop targets will be up in this case and will allow you to transfer the ball from one side to another, or use it as a captive ball by putting center post up.
1 Ball in lock, ball 2 lock qualified:
The first locked ball in this case will act as a captive ball and ball 2 can be locked on the opposite side. The drop will be open and ready for the second lock on the opposite side of where ball 1 is captured.
2 balls in lock:
After ball 2 is locked, the balls can act as 2 separate captive balls in 2 separate locks by the up post keeping them separate. Another thing I was thinking about, but is going to make Eric kill me, is that we could allow someone to put a 3rd ball in the lock by hitting one of the locked balls and letting it double stack on the other side with the other ball. Then open up the empty side and ready it for lock 3. This is just an idea at the moment, and not sure if we will use it. This also opens up other cool ways of separating the balls again into a 2 locked scenario.
There are a bunch of possibilities with this thing and we are working hard on making it as fun as possible. Right now, it is very fun to play and has been very reliable. Eric knows his shit. This is just one of the super exciting mechanical aspects of this layout that I love. Well, I hope that was enough for you guys to digest for a while.
--Scott

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rick-amp-morty-pinball-from-spooky/page/115#post-5371166

Remember, one of the things different about DL2.0 compared with TNA is that TNA does not have an opto in front of (before) the first target. It is this long opto that makes it possible to have the target "forced up" (before the ball actually strikes it).

Not sure what you mean about "EOS switch like a flipper coil"? ... unless you mean a switch to show position of drop... but all drops, even basic type, have a switch to indicate if target is up or down...

I created a thread to tide the time where people can suggest different Rick and Morty dimension ideas to tweak the gameplay experience. Check it out...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rick-and-morty-dimension-ideas#post-5374896

This mech has many unknown updates. I look forward to them all.

and in 1 ball play stop timers when holding ball os you can't timeout modes.

LOTR two towers multi ball Gives more points for makeing lots of shots fast.

Understand that, but it does remind me of it quite a bit. (which makes sense).

I'm 1961 - 440

Exactly, we can put in whatever mods and plastic figures we want on our respective games. I’ve never understood why people feel the need to do this, but more power to them if an action figure here or there puts a smile on their face. Scott made the 100% right call not worrying about molded toys on the playfield in my opinion...it’s a waste of BOM to have molded toys made.

If the light show on R&M matches the light show on TNA I’ll be super impressed. In my opinion the best light shows in pinball history are (in order) TNA, WOZ, ST (LE/Prem) and MBrLE. After those four there is a significant drop off before you reach the next tier (led by Tron). Someone earlier asked about mirror blades vs artwork, usually I go with mirror blades in games but will wait for Scott’s recommendation on this game.

I am working very hard on the lightshows and music, I think you will not be disappointed.
--Scott

And, yes, you guys figured out how we are able to keep the drops from falling when hit on TNA and R&M. It is pretty easy actually. There is an opto in front of the drop as far away as I could physically get it that acts as a warning for an incoming ball. Once this opto is triggered it will hold up the drop target by using a pulsed signal (to not overheat the coil) for x amount of seconds, or whatever is needed. This can be used for many things. When capturing a ball on TNA, I left the drops in a held state until the ball settles as to make sure there were minimal lock failures.
--Scott

Full RGB is my favorite feature and one I think a lot of people don’t realize how much they enjoy as it’s occurring. I think all modern games should be full RGB at the prices we are paying, it should be table stakes. Love loge love that it’s being focused on here.

I incorrectly assumed (shouldn’t do that) when I heard there were two optos on each side that a three ball lock was part of the original design intent. To hear that’s it’s just an idea at this point and not sure it will be implemented is a minor letdown. But I’m sure I won’t miss it if it doesn’t make it to the final code. In any case, I’m not sure when the last time I was this excited about playing a new release. Great job guys!!

Agreed, it’s table stakes for me these days. Seeing it first on JJP tables with some very nice light shows on Hobbit, and then done REALLY well on TNA, a game would have to be incredible for me to buy without RGB lighting.

Really hope we get a gameplay video soon.

It is all about the implementation also. With great RGB power comes great responsibility. Don't make it into a competition on how many skittles you can cram on a playfield. We don't need to worry though because Scott obviously gets it.

It’s almost
Like that thread didn’t need to be created and could have just been discussed here.

No... you’re wrong... it’s EXACTLY like that.

You are 100% correct. You need to use it when it counts to have the highest impact. I cannot stress this enough and it was one of the few major things I wanted to prove on TNA along side the fact that you can make an ass kicker game with no ramps.
--Scott

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