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Lots of Pinside bashing already. Same dic* hedz, same crap. They can keep their freedom of Internet speech over there, it's wasted dribble.

Keeping in mind lot of guys who couldn't play nice here are hanging over there. You wanna be rudely spellchecked? Go over and type sumpin'. Don't agree with someone? Get ready to be insulted for 10 pages. Yada yada yada. :p

I went on there for the first time in about 6 months... I read a few posts of which more than half of them were badmouthing pinside and its members...calling us crybaby and stuck up elite m 'fers... nothing constructive or helpful there

Yep. Long before FF popped up. He just aggravated the masses to extinction.

Now that FF is gone that is all the 10 guys over there have to do.
Sad really but it seems like RGP is now Pinside's bozo bin.

I have always felt that FF is a major player here as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he is one of the top posters and has a very different perception here.

FF was just the last straw for most. There have been plenty of characters on RGP that ruined it for a lot of folks. To me, FF was not even as bad a Gary, but either way people could only take so much and moved on. We lost a lot of good folks that were very nice to chat with and very smart when it came to pinball. I miss those days, but I love it here on Pinside just as much. I also love the fact that we can actually post pictures on this site!!!

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Yep.

At least like Tommy Toot Gary and The Bull were somewhat entertaining.
Damon's vids are classics.

This one is prophetic.

My views.
=)

What is ff?

Not what, who. Just be thankful you don't know.

The riddance of FF has definitely been a big improvement. RGP has always been and continues to be a great site for tech info as well.

- Tim

Frank Further.

RGP seems a better place these days. I stopped logging in for 6+ months and had a look recently. In addition to a FF-Free environment, there is much less spam than before.

FF was one of the major reasons I left RGP two years ago. How someone can be such a moron is beyond me.

QSS

Once I came over here to Pinside I dropped RGP. I got tired of sifting through all the garbage and trolling over there.

I have been to RGP occasionally, but haven't done much of any posting. The negativity got pretty bad so I found myself enjoying it less. But that started it all for me. Prior to RGP I never went to forums other than KLOV

The name that shall not be spoken, something like voldemort, as no one wants to be the one that summoned back the asshat.

I was surprised that one troll could be so devastating, but FF was just that. It was like someone poured blue ink in the milk. No matter how hard you try, it's hard to ignore.

It sure feels like he's here. I have one or two users that I could almost swear are him. I just forget occasionally because I have them on ignore.

I found FF amusing at first, and the guy actually knows his EM stuff, but it did become tiring to read the same super cynical spam after awhile.

When Google screwed up their newsgroup reader and changed everything for the worse a few years ago is when I stopped going to RGP very often. It'll always be a great resource, lots of history and information there but sadly, I think newsgroups are sort of outdated now for general discussion.

And yet, there's so much spam on Pinside nowadays, it may be nice to enjoy the peace and quiet of RGP again...

It's a great resource when you have an issue. that's the first place I look and alway find the fix. Those guys have been around pinball a long time.

I was active on RGP during the entire FF era, and the Gary era before that. And John Shields, and pretty much every other famous troll era since I started collecting (and posting there) in 1997. I can attest that if you don't like what someone is writing on the interwebs it is very easy to ignore them. You just ignore them. Not by applying a filter, just don't feed them with the responses that they are looking for.

I think the real reason FF got such a reaction out of the crowd is that there was enough of a hint of truth to what he was saying that it kept folks from being able to properly ignore him and they gave in to the bait.

I grew up with a younger sister so I learned early on how to dish it out to get a reaction out of someone. I also had an older brother so I also learned how to take it without giving the reaction he was wanting. I can only assume a lot of pinball collectors were only childs.

There was a very ridiculous time about a year ago where the only thing anybody was doing on RGP was bitching childishly about PInside - either from the regulars, or from Pinside exiles.

That hasn't been the case for a long time.

Apparently it's moved over here and mirrored.

Yes, but at least now you can post your lobster pics directly to threads here.

Steve

Good thing that doesn't happen here

Chris

I like that Pinside has a marketplace, ratings of pins and more than just a forum. However, I still look at RGP daily and find helpful topics and knowledge about working on pins there. Unfortunately both RGP and Pinside do both have their trolls and immature response, but that seems true of just about any forum on any topics at all. I just skip those as much as possible.

If pinball manufacturing was dead altogether, and machines were worth nothing, much like vids, you would see much more friendly forums, much more like what RGP was like late 90s to early 2000s.

There are so many different levels of competitiveness when there is money involved.

And who could forget Karlzona?

Flipper fidelity is out of business?

This was also a huge detraction for me. The new reading format in your browser killed the groups and made them unreadable at times.

That is the attitude that kept it going.

After suffering all the major trolls for years, I too drifted away.

It just wasn't worth it.

Karl was mad as a hatter but his PF work was incredible and he didn't charge as much as you paid for the game to do it.
Even the shipping crate was a work of art.

Let's hope more people come back now.

I tapped out a couple of years ago because of FF, Nike spam, Pinside bashing and just the overall lack of posts over there.

Checked it out yesterday and laughed out loud at the Pinside conspiracy theory being floated over there regarding FF.

I'll check back there again in a year to two.

I think Lloyd is correct, I was just reading FF may in fact have been PA. Someone took the time to look for FF last post date. The date was April 9, PA passed on that date. It's awful strange the dates match up perfect. I guess FF hasn't been seen since the 9th. That's real entertainment if accurate.

WHO is PA?

I get FF, but the damn acronyms are confusing (unless it is for pins).

Chris

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For whatever reason, he took messing with you to an entirely unnecessary and cruel level. That's when I signed up on Pinside and haven't looked back since.

Also, why were some people referring to him as "Todd Nathan"?

Lmao

This is on RGP after P.A. passed away. I did not think FF was PA not even for a minute.

Frank Furhter
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A wacky, and by many accounts pathological guy. RIP.

I have never been to RGP. Anyone have link?

Just Google RGP Pinball

Actually I think FF was pranking, maybe people took it way to personal. You know like here?

But there is a possibility you could get PLONKED and kicked off Cody's lawn.

Just google rec.games.pinball

I never found PP to be pranking. He was rude, hostile, insincere and a lot of,other names I won't type here. When he gave his "apology" I hoped he ease up. If anything, he became more obnoxious and entitled. I'm very tolerant of humor, even some that's a bit crude. He wasn't funny to me but cruel and like put to others down and "mister my opinion is better than yours and if you don't believe that you're wrong." I believe he ran off many new and veteran hobbyists from RGP. Sad it took them so long to ban him, but glad they finally did or whatever it was that he's no longer writing on RGP.

Read the definition of Borderline Personality Disorder on Wikipedia or elsewhere and you'll see he had most of the characteristics of it. Don't know if he is or was, but possible.

At one time he was outed and it appears TN was his real name. He disappeared for a while when that happened but eventually returned.

Gary Tate on the alt.cable.tv group was a legendary troll back in the 2000s. Same as FF. You just killfile them and they no longer exist.

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