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RFM: "Hillary, come here! You gotta see this!"


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#1701 2 years ago

I did use dell 20 inches IPS and the result was perfecf. I do recognize crt was how this pin was meant to be, but results on mine with this 4:3 monitor were stunning.

#1702 2 years ago

Dell 20 inches 2007FP the IPS model. Fits perfect like a glove, deep blacks, scanline generator recommended, stunning results. My crt did fry, I do not miss it, even if I recognize I could repair it with some efforts. Well, I kept the crt in the attic, never throw away a good old crt .

#1703 2 years ago
Quoted from Giulio:

Dell 20 inches 2007FP the IPS model. Fits perfect like a glove, deep blacks, scanline generator recommended, stunning results. My crt did fry, I do not miss it, even if I recognize I could repair it with some efforts. Well, I kept the crt in the attic, never throw away a good old crt .

Link to conversion process?

#1704 2 years ago
Quoted from billsfanmd:

Link to conversion process?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tech-revenge-from-mars-monitor , Jean Luc Picard was the source of all the infos, I must give credit to him, I just added an SLG3000 scan line generator to smooth graphics so it really looks a crt. If you need help and super detailed infos pm me no problem.

#1705 2 years ago

Yes,thia is the monitor that have offer for it.Very nice model and don't forget IPS.

#1706 2 years ago

Its not easy to find a dell 2007.
A bit expensive on Ebay.

#1707 2 years ago

Hm in my country it's everywhere at price between 30$-40$ with 6 months warranty.
Better get one for spare.

#1708 2 years ago
Quoted from arakissun:

Hm in my country it's everywhere at price between 30$-40$ with 6 months warranty.
Better get one for spare.

someone post a modern equivalent?

#1709 2 years ago

There is no more NOS 20" square format 4:3.
All of the modern monitors are widescreen.
Search for 19" or 20" second hand 4:3.

#1710 2 years ago

There are modern ones but they are 5:4.

#1711 2 years ago

Isn't it 5:4 widescreen?

#1712 2 years ago
Quoted from arakissun:

Isn't it 5:4 widescreen?

no, 16:9 is wide screen

5:4 is a slightly different aspect ratio but similar to 4:3

think of it in terms of inches. a 16:9 (widescreen) display would be 16" (w) for every 9" (h) that it is (slightly larger than 1.5x wide as the display is tall

the older 4:3 and newer 5:4 monitors are just slightly wider than they are tall

#1713 2 years ago

And the difference between 5:4 and 4:3 is almost impossible to tell with the naked eye. (5:4 = 3.75:3) It's almost nothing compared to difference between 16:9 and 4:3.

#1714 2 years ago
Quoted from Coyote:

And the difference between 5:4 and 4:3 is almost impossible to tell with the naked eye. (5:4 = 3.75:3) It's almost nothing compared to difference between 16:9 and 4:3.

Difficult to judge the physical size just by looking but it's more complicated then that. It depends on what resolution you want to display. The scaling factor is important, otherwise it will look terrible. For example most 5:4 19" LCD displays are 1280x1024. So the best native resolution needs to be an even multiplier. Divide those by 4 and you get 320x256 which isn't good if you want to display a 320x240 signal. However 1280x960 divided by 4 gives you just that but it will then leave you with black bars top and bottom.

Is RFM displaying 640x480 natively? Then a divider by 2 isn't good either since that is 640x512

#1715 2 years ago

True, but I have NEVER seen a monitor without a 'fit' scaling mode in its menu.

Quoted from aerobert:

Difficult to judge the physical size just by looking but it's more complicated then that. It depends on what resolution you want to display. The scaling factor is important, otherwise it will look terrible. For example most 5:4 19" LCD displays are 1280x1024. So the best native resolution needs to be an even multiplier. Divide those by 4 and you get 320x256 which isn't good if you want to display a 320x240 signal. However 1280x960 divided by 4 gives you just that but it will then leave you with black bars top and bottom.
Is RFM displaying 640x480 natively? Then a divider by 2 isn't good either since that is 640x512

#1716 2 years ago
Quoted from Coyote:

True, but I have NEVER seen a monitor without a 'fit' scaling mode in its menu.

Yeah, but it's that odd scaling that makes it look like crap.... Ideally, you want an LCD panel that has a native resolution that is a multiple of the source resolution. Actually, what you really want is a good CRT....

#1717 2 years ago

Just to help and all due respect to holy crt's blacks, this is the image I obtained with my lcd setup. If you fine carefully tune your display and CGA/VGA converter (on both you got to try settings for darkness/saturation/contrast/sharpness-very important to set this to zero or low level) these are the results you can obtain. Blacks are really deep, I think helps the 4:3 Dell monitor being IPS. Graphics are smoothed by scanline generator, resolution on CGA/VGA converter has been set to 800x600.

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#1718 2 years ago

That looks pretty good, almost as good as a CRT.

#1719 2 years ago

I really need to get my RFM functional... <sigh>
Honestly; the hold up right now is I can't find the damn monitor's Power connector so I can build a bench plug to enable me to do some testing of the monitor outside the machine/cabinet. (Tube swap; expecting to need convergence at a minimum)
I've ordered like 3 different molex style connectors; and none of them have the right "rounded square" keying. I'm toying with the idea of 3D printing a correct connector.

#1720 2 years ago
Quoted from Zitt:

I really need to get my RFM functional... <sigh>
Honestly; the hold up right now is I can't find the damn monitor's Power connector so I can build a bench plug to enable me to do some testing of the monitor outside the machine/cabinet. (Tube swap; expecting to need convergence at a minimum)
I've ordered like 3 different molex style connectors; and none of them have the right "rounded square" keying. I'm toying with the idea of 3D printing a correct connector.

Are you talking about the stock monitor? I had a friend with the stock WG monitor in theirs and I made a new connector to interface with the video amp board. Standard molex connector and pins nothing special.

#1721 2 years ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Are you talking about the stock monitor? I had a friend with the stock WG monitor in theirs and I made a new connector to interface with the video amp board. Standard molex connector and pins nothing special.

Yes stock; but not the Video signal connector. The Power connector. As in 120VAC.
It appears that the connector is nolonger made - or I can't find the right manufacturer.

#1722 2 years ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

So I'm considering building a pinbox rig. My RFM has the original computer but the graphics have an annoying lag to them. I've installed more ram but all it seemed to accomplish was increase the initial loading time for the game.
Does pinbox remove this lag?

I found one thing that decreased lag time was turning SuperJets off.

#1723 1 year ago

Im going to check out a RFM today thats for sell. What should I look out for? Got zero experience when it comes to p2k machines.
He says everything works, but the monitor needs some time to get going when you start it up. Works just fine when its "warmed up".

#1724 1 year ago

sounds like the monitor will need a cap kit. nothing too hard to do if you're used to working on electronics (however, look up some information on how to handle monitors. that flyback holds enough electricity to kill a person if not discharged properly!

go through the service menus and check the switch and lamp matrix tests to make sure that the system sees everything working good. additionally, lift up the playfield and the plastic cover over the power driver board. there are LED indicators there as well

if you do purchase it, you'll probably want to change out the 7 or so capacitors on the computer motherboard as well. that will help "bulletproof" the system

#1725 1 year ago

wiggy I'm selling mine in west sweden soon. Power supply and monitor are both overhauled.

#1726 1 year ago
Quoted from j_m_:

sounds like the monitor will need a cap kit. nothing too hard to do if you're used to working on electronics (however, look up some information on how to handle monitors. that flyback holds enough electricity to kill a person if not discharged properly!

go through the service menus and check the switch and lamp matrix tests to make sure that the system sees everything working good. additionally, lift up the playfield and the plastic cover over the power driver board. there are LED indicators there as well

if you do purchase it, you'll probably want to change out the 7 or so capacitors on the computer motherboard as well. that will help "bulletproof" the system

Thanks for the answer.

Quoted from aerobert:

I'm selling mine in west sweden soon. Power supply and monitor are both overhauled.

Sadly I live nowhere near gbg.

1 week later
#1727 1 year ago
Quoted from PinNeu:

First check the Neon using an alligator test clip, ground the black transformer lead to the metal side rails on the game (or any other ground point). If the neon tube glows, the driver board circuit is the problem. Could be the 12 volts (Fuse 108) Mine system I had to replace 74HCT574 at U34 and ULN2803 at U35 to resolve the issue. Data came from https://forums.arcade-museum.com/archive/index.php/t-184838.html

Ok quick question that I am guessing applies to SWE1 and RFM. With game on manual says all good fuses are green and and any bad fuses are read....With my game on all fuse leds are red except f108 which controls my non working light sabre

so Ill check with my DMM. Are these fuses hard to find? dont think I have any of these smaller ones handy.

Update. Fuse good. See the led is a green led. So I'll check fir voltage at transformer

1 week later
#1728 1 year ago

I have a very nice RFM I am getting ready to list on Classifieds - I figured I would post here first in case someone in the mid-atlantic is looking for one. 3K. Pickup near Richmond, VA

#1729 1 year ago

Sorry to leave the club. Sold it for 3k in order to get space for a nice Baywatch.

It's summer year round...

#1730 1 year ago
Quoted from aerobert:

Sorry to leave the club. Sold it for 3K in order to get space for a nice Baywatch.
It's summer year round...

Sorry to see ya go. Have fun with the new game.

#1731 1 year ago

I have a German RFM. Wiring is a bit different in the backbox. I did a restore and I am finishing reassembly. Don’t have pics of the backbox wiring and have several 3 pin molex connectors. Manual doesn’t provide much in the way of details. Any help or pics of the backbox wiring would be helpful.

#1732 1 year ago
Quoted from aerobert:

Sorry to leave the club. Sold it for 3k in order to get space for a nice Baywatch.

Sad to hear, the hoff and the martians would have been a perfect match

But Baywatch is going to be awesome with chads new code! Enjoy

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#1733 1 year ago
Quoted from jgecmd:

I have a German RFM. Wiring is a bit different in the backbox

German RFM pics as requested
Hope this helps, feel free to ask if you need any specific information.
Cheers

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#1734 1 year ago

uups, not exactly the backbox in my last post

Here are more pics, just ask what you need specifically.

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#1735 1 year ago

Thanks for the pics. I’m specifically looking for pictures of the cable running from the power box (top right white wire) up to the back of the back box. I want to make sure I don’t toast anything before I power this back on...here’s a pic of the cable I am tracing.

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#1736 1 year ago

Looking to join club. Have a beautiful SWE1 to trade to or others

#1737 1 year ago
Quoted from Giulio:

Dell 20 inches 2007FP the IPS model. Fits perfect like a glove, deep blacks, scanline generator recommended, stunning results. My crt did fry, I do not miss it, even if I recognize I could repair it with some efforts. Well, I kept the crt in the attic, never throw away a good old crt .

Hi just got hold of a Dell 2007fp - did you put it in as it came or did you strip it out of its' frame ? I've currently got some cr4p lcd in my rfm (just bought) and it's far to light. So I'm hoping the 2007fp will be better. Can you upload some pics of the mounting and how you have the sg3000 in line?

Cheers

#1738 1 year ago
Quoted from Ben1981:

Sad to hear, the hoff and the martians would have been a perfect match
But Baywatch is going to be awesome with chads new code! Enjoy

Yes that's why I'm really giving it a proper go. I just didn't play RFM much at all. Too shallow game in the end.

#1739 1 year ago
Quoted from jgecmd:

Thanks for the pics. I’m specifically looking for pictures of the cable running from the power box (top right white wire) up to the back of the back box.

Sorry, seems like i can‘t help you here as my machine looks quite different! No cable running to the backbox directly.

Quoted from aerobert:

Too shallow game in the end.

Had the same thoughts quite often after owning it for nearly 2 years but it‘s just so damm funny and has a big nostalgia bonus for me personally.

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#1740 1 year ago

This pic is very helpful. Starting to believe the cable on mine shouldn’t be plugged in at all. One last favor: a few pics from the back of the backbox cable connections? Thanks!

#1741 1 year ago

Here you go.
Cheers

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#1742 1 year ago

Thanks again. So it probably has nothing to do with being a German version. Maybe a later model? The video board is in a different location. Any insight?

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#1743 1 year ago

They likely did not use a single model CRT. Any CRT of the same size was likely used, as was common with arcade games of the era.

#1744 1 year ago
Quoted from Coyote:

They likely did not use a single model CRT. Any CRT of the same size was likely used, as was common with arcade games of the era.

True, the chassis are mounted in completely different places.

#1745 1 year ago
Quoted from billsfanmd:

Looking to join club. Have a beautiful SWE1 to trade to or others

Welcome to the club Bill.

#1746 1 year ago
Quoted from jgecmd:

Thanks again. So it probably has nothing to do with being a German version. Maybe a later model? The video board is in a different location. Any insight?

Someone has replaced the original monitor with a different one (a Hantarex). You can put any 19" standard res monitor in there. You just have to transplant it into that funky P2K frame.

#1748 1 year ago
Quoted from silversmurfer:

Hi just got hold of a Dell 2007fp - did you put it in as it came or did you strip it out of its' frame ? I've currently got some cr4p lcd in my rfm (just bought) and it's far to light. So I'm hoping the 2007fp will be better. Can you upload some pics of the mounting and how you have the sg3000 in line?
Cheers

I made my own mount:
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This is the 2nd time I’ve done it this way with this model monitor.

#1749 1 year ago

you can also remove the whole plastic stuff easily, and the dell fits exactly in the space of the CRT, minus some open space. I've put a big black mat cardboard behind the lcd and it's perfect.

#1750 1 year ago

Just joined the club. I noticed I’m running software version 1.1. Can someone please direct me to the website for the software upgrade to 1.5? Here’s s few pix.

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