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Ideas that would change pinball

By flashinstinct

4 years ago

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    #95 4 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    If we could have anything near what WMS puts in slot machines these days it would be tremendous. Transmissive LCDs on the tables, for example. Imagine the upper clear layer of a transmissive LCD mapping specific shot vectors on the table. Inserts are no longer individual pieces, but displayed instead as graphics. You wouldn't need to take your eyes off the table to look up at mini modes on an LCD backbox or DMD, it would all happen right on the playfield.
    OLED buttons can be made into OLED targets. The durable tech is already there in our local casinos. Targets could evolve on the fly, show completed hits, display video graphics. The whole game could be made wild with color. With flexible OLEDs, even ramps could be made to display video graphics.

    I'm extremely surprised nobody has eliminated the backbox yet. I know some would scream in opposition, but what is the point anymore? A cab has no reason being much bigger than a PF anymore, I'm sure it can be done and not look cheap either. I hate moving pins so much, that the thought of a 80 lbs easy to move game is very appealing to me. If you're going to start innovating, that is the first place to do it. Glad HWY did some of that with their design. I'm sure ops would love that too.

    #100 4 years ago
    Quoted from Law:

    I prefer a backbox even if it's largely useless. It's nicer than looking at the wall behind the machine or another machine/player across from it and gets you into a kind of "playing bubble".

    I get the aesthetic reasoning behind it, but it would only appear weird because we are used to seeing pins with them. If something were designed to be, say, maybe 1/4 the size that was easily removable, maybe that would be a compromise. Besides, I have lots of art to hang and not enough wallspace, it would be fine for me to be able to put up some art or something behind the pin. It would be more of an issue on location obviously next to other pins.

    #107 4 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    I say don't eliminate the "backbox", but perhaps the back just becomes an LCD screen that quickly and easily detaches (think modern golden tee golf machine), or maybe keep the backbox but make it extremely easy to detach (one connector, attaches by a couple retractable pins).

    That would be great for home, but a nightmare on location with damage unless it was inside of something, thus necessitating a back box again.

    #109 4 years ago

    The speaker bar would still be necessary, so it wouldn't look totally weird without a BB. You could do a lot of cool stuff with the design there. Ghetto blaster speaker bar would be funny as hell for an 80's themed pin.

    #110 4 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    I think you're wrong about that. The backbox acts as advertising for the game. Removing it on location would reduce the profits.

    That is a valid point. Perhaps some sort of pull out vinyl poster on a retractable rolling pin that holds up via a support like a projector screen would work, lit from the bottom on a material that would illuminate fully. Fiber optics?

    #132 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    tl;dr - I think backboxes still have a purpose.

    Hahaha, I did this. I just woke up, normally I would have read it all.

    #133 4 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    what you neglect to think about is that someone gambling and someone playing pinball are 2 very different things both socially and psychologically. Even the impulse centers of the brain are completely different. Back in the day backboxes were to draw you in, now they are simply to show you the game.
    Now, some home collectors may only be interested in having a backbox because they like the art and tradition, but I will still assert that if someone made GREAT playing and fun game and it was $500 cheaper without the backbox then it would sell. People would get over the 'missing' backbox and likely see some value in the saved space, weight, ease of moving, ability to use wall space behind the pin, etc...

    I agree. The two are different animals now. Back in the 80's & 90's a big flashy backbox was absolutely necessary. In the 2010's, say "pinball" to someone and you'll get this look:

    No sense in advertising to someone that doesn't even know what the device is. I'm not sure how many people are dropping bills into pins that don't already know what they are. That is a whole can of worms within itself though, we could discuss that for pages here.

    Maybe the cabinet itself could become a light show, since most new games have just been backlit poster, not exactly the most attention grabbing, especially somewhere like a movie theater that is loaded with them. Cabs with ground FX? not kidding, lights beaming out from everywhere.

    #142 4 years ago
    Quoted from Baiter:

    The point of the backbox is to make the game identifiable in an arcade. If you think pinball should be 100% in people's basements, or pinball should only be in exclusively-pinball locations, I suppose your point is valid. If not that that, your point is completely ridiculous. Arcade games are tall, have big flashy signs, even toppers... the point is to attract people to come over and play them. Without a backbox a pinball machine is an unidentifiable table from afar.

    I agree that in a public place, it needs some form of eye catching advertisement. An easily detachable light-weight plastic lit sign though would be a lot easier though for that purpose. I just don't understand the pneed for a foldable full-size wooden back box anymore for advertising purposes. Seems like a waste of money, space, and unnecessary weight, especially now that they're just single uv bulb backlit marques in modern games.

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    #152 4 years ago
    Quoted from Zimmer:

    most seem to be suggesting hardware advancements. what about achievements? heck they are used in video games, and even the workplace and school now (gamification), why not pinball. It would be cool to have other objectives besides points, some small examples of this being used today is:
    LOTR: Destroy the Ring time
    WH20: Insanity Falls shots
    Getting Acheivements could be used to unlock extra Animations, music, or even modes on the machine.
    They could be straighforward like "Beat the Wizard Mode", or obscure like "Beat Mode with only the Left Flipper" or "Make Shots Sequentially from Left to Right".

    Stern could use this unlock feature by making an impossible mode to complete to get to the next part so you don't realize they never finished the code.

    #155 4 years ago
    Quoted from Law:

    You could probably do it with the glass off.

    I thought about that as well. They'd have to make it absolutely impossible to do.

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