Reviewer writes and acts like a concerned party I think that is quite clear. It is however an interesting product that I had seen before this post but the current pricing is outside the range of my desire to buy a better mousetrap. Maybe someday my needs will change and an application will arise…

Phat Bats.

So I finally pulled the original style PPP flippers off my Star Trek pro they were just too powerful. The ball would rocket around and air ball worse than ever. Also the behind flipper “Away Team” shot was much harder to make because the flipper rigidity would bounce it back out rather than the deadened drop into plunger lane.

Also the shots definitely changed. For anyone who uses ball position on flipper for accuracy and repeatability this moves to a later point.

But for ANY game that would benefit from some additional flipper strength this is a no brainer. I ended up putting them in my Judge Dredd that suffered from a generally soggy feel with barely make it ramp shots it now shoots almost like a modern Stern. And this is with stock plastic bushings. So metal bushings are not needed to gain flipper strength. Nice to have and pair up with but works well without. Not enough time on Star Trek with just bushings to form an opinion but how could it not be beneficial to some degree…

Less flange. Problem solved. It currently mimics the plastic version and the same buildup is not needed. Maybe it was that prominent for a little extra structure. Clearly not an issue with these…

Could also be related to the increased power transfer everyone seems to be reporting…

I like this way more than my previous screw driver as prybar trick…

I’m probably in the minority here but I’d love to see a less costly flipper bat without the adjustable shaft. And while the machined bushings are a nice upgrade they are not necessary.

If one could get into these at a lower price range I suspect they would toss them in more games. The current pricing is over $50 a flipper. I’d imagine a bat with a press fit shaft would be significantly cheaper…

For the record my experience with these is full set non halos in a Star Trek pro ending up being way too powerful. Blinding ball speed and way too many air balls. Ended up putting just the bats in my Judge Dredd and they gave new life to the game. Left the bushings in ST with stock bats and really the only difference noticed is cleaner flipper play. Like live catch, cradle, backhand stuff. This makes sense because I had a shattered bushing in another game and while it flipped well the slop made cradles and ball passes indicate something was clearly wrong.

Bottom line love the product and it’s priced fairly for what it is. A true asset to the community! I just think some real economy options would go a long way…

A standard or halo bat on a press fit shaft would still be a premium product. The adjustable shaft is a convenience not some revolutionary game changing design.

The last option nose dived due to poor production. Money was refunded and they disappeared into the sunset.

Quality and affordability can share the same boat. There is enough seating for all…

I get it.

“In a world of compromise some don’t.”

I was a fanboi once too…

Yeah if there is no significant manufacturing savings to be passed along to consumer then why do it. Thanks for the consideration. As has been heavily reviewed here there is always always a balance that is clear. Too clear in this thread actually.

Now on to the broken bushing. Interesting. I surmise the lack of flex throughout the age old linkage system puts all that shock into what has obviously been shown to be the weak link.

I wonder how a plastic bushing is going to fare? I’ll bet better than metal due to the sloppier fit and absorbing qualities. I’d start running a bunch of plastic bushings and see what the life expectancy is. I can already attest most of the upgraded flip is there…

I know they do. Did you see my earlier post regarding the flipper play a shattered bushing gave? Perhaps a fluke. Clearly some way more educated opinions here than mine.

Forgive my attitude. I have a brother with a mechanical engineering degree from BU and he’s pretty arrogant and stupid. I tend to forget not every schooled choad is like him…

Installed on a Star Trek pro and yes the power was too strong. Warp 10 ramp returns and air balls that would make even a Vulcan question the logic. As mentioned above I left the machined bushings in and that alone has been a worthy upgrade.

I’ll take “Games that need it” for 500 Alex.