Just finished installing purple Halos with keyed shaft kit on Rick & Morty. The purple looks awesome with the UV apron lighting and glow Titans. Going to tune these in and report back. Definitely need to turn down the flipper power and play with the settings a bit. I dropped the right flipper to 20 and can still backhand the right ramp easily. Install was a little time consuming and tedious, but that’s because of Spooky using mounting plates that have to be dug out in order to access the nuts on the back of the bushing bolts.

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whoa first one I have seen like this. How do you like it? After all it’s a new game

I like it better than this.

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I used to be one of those that was o that's not how the game came from the factory but after playing in many leagues tournaments I've changed my attitude as weak coils, broken switches, playfields so dirty also wasn't how they came from factory either. Wow what a game changer!!! Balls that you had absolutely no chance at getting, now you can catch the end of the flipper.

I had them Cerakoted in white. Precision flippers delivers again.

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Here’s my Foo Fighters Pro with red halos.

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Just added a set of 3 to my tmnt prem. Looks and feels great. Anyone find a good setting for them? Thanks! Jeff

Interestingly enough, I find the difference in Hobbit VERY noticeable (using the keyed shaft and clamp), not to mention that I don't get any flipper fade (had to adjust power down otherwise the ball was flying on the right wireform ramp). Second game, Grand Champion score (OK, it's not very high compared to other players, but it was higher for me). I could align loops and ramps far more easily.

I feel there's less of a perceived difference on my GZ and SW, at least at my skill level. It "feels" better, but it's not as noticeable as on Hobbit.

I have not yet installed it in older Stern machines or WPC for comparison, a friend did and he finds it very useful in WPC, but need to change coil to accomodate for higher power transfer.

Cheers

My search-fu hasn't provided any hits. I have had these installed on my GZ Prem with the precision bushings for quite awhile now but recently had to tear down the left flipper due to it getting "stuck." I've narrowed it down to either a lack of lubrication (unlikely due to the bronze bushings I see inside) or some sort of damage to the shaft/precision bushing itself (bent perhaps?) either way the shaft and bushing no longer run freely.

I'm going to try some lubrication and some other troubleshooting to see if I can figure it out further, but wondering if anyone else has seen an issue like this to date.

Nothing been reported here like that. I'm sure John will be in touch.

KidRichard When things get sticky or a flipper starts to drag or hang up it's typically due to the flipper shaft clamp gap being to close and riding on the bushing. If you've validated that you have a little gap/float in the flipper shaft vertically when all is tight then there is something else going on for sure.

Feel free to PM me and we can work through it. Not likely the shaft is bent, but I suppose it could happen.

See the PM, but crisis successfully averted. Something akin to "percussive maintenance" solved the problem

To add to the pile, I just want to reiterate to everyone following along with this thread, I really dig this precision flipper product. I have no idea if it helps my game or not, but it's super cool and generally lovely!

We were talking about that kind of hammer stuff the other day.

I said that's the difference that a car technician has from a car mechanic. A mechanic has no idea what to do with a usb cord, and a technician has no idea what to do with a 5 pound hammer.

Spaghetti73 Looking good, nicely done!

Need shiny gold halos for this pin!

got them installed on Queen today, I had to drill the bushing holes on playfield bc the precision one was just slightly bigger than the plastic ones. definitely feels better.

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also put a set on cactus canyon. middle ramp is achievable now lol sorry for bad pic

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Just dropping by to say these are fantastic!

I met John at TPF, played his test AIQ, and decided to try a set for my Star Wars Premium. They look and feel amazing, and have definitely improved my accuracy on several shots.

Highly recommend the product, and the owner could not be a nicer guy!

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So I have had my halo kit on my desk for about 3 weeks now and I’m finally gonna take the plunge and install in my MBR today. Anything I need to know about doing this? Any install videos out there from anyone?

GCS2000 Here is a video that will show the install on a GNR, pretty much the same for all the games that use the Bally Williams style flipper mech/clamps.

You guys like pictures? Here you go. For me these are a must have upgrade. Makes playing every game more fun for me.

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Thanks.

Sadly looks like I already messed up lol.

Taking the plastic bushing off something fell off of two of the screws no idea what it they were. Looked everywhere and cannot find anything in the cabinet.

Do I still need this?

Looking at the plastic bushing it has indentations for a spacer or washer or something but the new bushings do not they are flat and smooth.

Thoughts?

Damn, I did the same thing. Unfortunately you might need to run to the HW store. When replacing the bushings you HAVE to remove the whole mechanism so you can loosen the tiny bolts that hold the bushings on.

Take off a still intact flipper and look at the top of the bushings, they have three little machine screws and bolts. You have to remove the bolts from the top. I easily found replacements for the screws and bolts at the local HW store.

I have the bolts and nuts no issue there. The new bushing is installed bolts and nuts tightened just fine. I think what fell might have been some sort of plastic washer for the the plastic bushings.

The mech is back installed to the playfield. Now trying to figure out the new clamp arm install since I got the full Monty based on John’s recommendation

Can someone confirm this looks correct? I have not tightened things down yet. This the left flipper on MBR with new bushing and linkage kit

I think it’s right but since this is my first time I just want to double check.

I know I need to get vertical spacing adjusted before clamping down and not to overtighten either. And yes the spring is not attached yet.

TIA for your help
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And is it me or is this flipper sitting up really high from the playfield
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Works well with a Proc so far. Only tested for a couple hours so far but noticeably less flipper fade.

Thumbs up

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Great thanks. Right one was way easier since I had an idea of how to do it. Moment of truth coming up

Will turn the flipper power down first though

Thanks @ DiabloRush for assisting GSC2000. I've been at the flipper factory (AKA: Machine Shop) all day working on the next run of flipper kits and cutting some prototypes for Haggis. I machined some flippers that mirror the one's they use on Fathom. I'm sending those out to them next week for them to play test and get some feedback. Photo attached.

@GSC2000 if you need any assistance feel free to PM me or give me a call.

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Pdxmonkey I think you're the first to install on that game. Please give us a little more feeback after you've played a few days.

That's ace news John!

Could be your first factory gig.

i mentioned the flippers to the boys last Pinfest newcastle and Damian and Marty played Tron with Precision solids on it i think... Maybe it had halos back then, but i'm thinking they were solids.

Duster72 What a great line up of games! Glad you are liking the flippers

punkin Thanks, Yup it would be great if they decided to incorporate into that game. BTW, I played that game at TPF and I thought it was one of the best playing games there. I was totally impressed with how it looked and played, they really did a great job on it. I'd like to add it to my home line up at some point soon.

1956PINHEAD all good John it was me just being overly cautious but everything worked out just fine. Put in a few games and they feel pretty good. Still working to dial things in and find the proper combo of power and position of the flippers.

I do have one question. I have read here several times or so I thought not to over tighten things so I made them snug but didn’t crank on them. When I read through the instructions again it said to make them very tight like the factory etc

So I am confused am I to crank down and things as tight as I can or just good and snug?

FYI I am using halos with the new clamps on an MBR.

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GCS2000 Snug is OK since you have the keyed shaft set-up. If you do have any flipper movement then just tighten the flipper retaining screws a tad more, but if nothing is moving your good to go. Enjoy!

Yep so far so good. Will give them some more plays and then pop the hood and check the snugness.

I am sure this has been asked before so I apologize for not finding it in the search. Is there any functional reason for using halos over the full normal flipper style or is it mainly cosmetic?

I have halos and I am still not 100% certain I like the look. Probably because I am so used to the old full flipper look

Halos are lighter. I had to dial them down significantly on R&M. I reduced power by 20% to start and the right flipper promptly fired the ball into the Anatomy Park sign and snapped the bracket.

GCS2000 As gambit3113 stated the HALO's are a few grams lighter but the primary differences are the way the ball reacts off the flipper during dead bounce and live catch etc. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, it just really comes down to your style of play. They both transfer the same amount of energy to the ball but the solid's do that with a little more effeciency because they do not flex. Since you'll be dialing down the flipper coil power with either version you'll be able to set the game up to play the way you like while also enjoying the benefits of significantly less flipper fade over extended periods of play.

Lastly, the great thing about this system is that you can easily change the flipper's, something that was a PITA with the OEM set-up. So if you wanted to try the solid top version you can swap them out in about 5 minutes or less, and do it all from above the playfield. I have a lot of customers who have both types, it's split about 50-50 in terms of what they like as it also depends on the machine as well. Hope this helps you

Installed these last week on our very first home pin to boot!

Noticed a difference right away with accuracy and power. We are not very good pin players so it definitely help with practicing our shots.

John was super helpful and responsive as well to questions

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Appreciate the explanation and it makes sense. I’ll probably get some solids to play with as well

Thanks

BTW anyone have recommendations for flipper settings for MBR?

Just curious what coils did you go with on the WCS since you cannot adjust flipper strength on this game?

Good question. I had bought a variety of coils to experiment with, but I haven't changed them yet - I just got this game put back together last week. After a few plays I actually thought I would leave them as-is, but I have been having some airballs, so I will probably go one step down.

Long shot, but has anyone installed Halos in Bond 60th yet? Would love to see photos

Has anyone installed these on early solid-state games? I'm late to the party and have only read about half of this thread so sorry if it's been mentioned already. I think the Halos would look pretty sweet in my firepower. (I'm thinking either the silver, red, or black). The flipper mechs are converted to WPC style, so I'm assuming I would order the HALOGRAPHIC-PRO KITS FOR JJP, CGC, DUTCH, PBROS, APB, B/W. Anything else I need to know or consider?

Foxxstone_80 Yes, these have been installed into some of those games. Since you have converted the flipper mech to WPC style yes, you would order the kit as you've noted. Please note that you might also have to reduce the coil power/strength from what you currently have installed as this flipper system will impart more energy to the ball. Some have already done this coil swap and might be able to chim in with what they used. You could always play test then adjust or go from there if you need to reduce coil power.

Thank you.

Red/Gold turned out pretty well on Foo Fighters IMO. 1956PINHEAD will you have an keyed extended flipper shaft available for the upper flipper?

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Duster72 Good looking game photo, nice choice on colors. I'm not sure about making the extended shafts in the keyed version because the torque load on the mini's is about 50% less than on the standard flipper. If you want to send me a PM with some verification of shaft length (and photos) that would be good as I haven't yet received my Foo Premium to do any design work yet.

Thank you!

Thanks for posting that. It's the exact combination I've been considering for my LE arriving tomorrow. Looks great! Which flipper rubbers are these?

Got some samples back this morning of what I'm calling Foo LE Green. It's a little more saturated/deeper green than my standard green. What do you think?

I really do like the Gold with the Red bands though, that's a really good combination!

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This is almost the EXACT same shade as the powder coat on my Scooby-Doo CE. What I'd like is to get a Precision Flipper that I could put the flipper art on. Like on Scooby there are toppers/stickers on the flippers with the eyes on them, and on UM there is a sticker with the Science Patrol logo. Have you considered making a version of the flippers with a plastic topper to put the sticker onto? Or maybe you could sell a 3-D printed cover that snaps onto them for various games (like a pickle one for Rick and Morty, or a drumstick for all the band machines).

That's the exact color combo I'm going for when my Foo arrives! Great minds think alike.