ASAC_Schrader I'm working on it, trust me when I say that. I apologize for being out of stock on certain items but I am working to recover from that. I do have a lot of items in work flow right now, it should all come together in about 10-12 days.

Thank you!

Sweet! I will put in an order for like 25 more halo setups with shafts and bushings when you have them. Outfitting all my games!

Thanks for the tip! I figured low bounce would make it easier to catch. I’ll try regular rubbers

They are the guys you want John.

Not us idiots who save them for the special keepers, or the guys who'll take them out every time they flip a game.

So happy to see your hard work and hard thinking become the success you thought it may be, and happy to have travelled the start of the path with you. i hope you end up semiretired and just doing this an hour or two a day for life.

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WellDoneSirPunkin

punkin I wish I could be semi-retired but that's a ways off yet

Yup, you've seen this little product evolve to where its at today along with many others. I'm very grateful for all my customers from initial release June of last year right up to current day. I've said this many times and I'll keep saying it, all of you are very important to me. We share the same passion, playing pinball!

As I see it we are also a unique group (which is growing daily) by helping to move the playing experience (and Pinball) into a new era by installing this flipper system. From where I sit its very humbling to be in this place today as 'WE' have come a long way in a short period of time. One thing that's becoming evident is that the system really speaks for itself.

I'll share this with everyone because its probably a good time to do so based on the number of systems now out in use. I get a lot of feedback from users on a weekly basis and the overall theme is that they can't see themselves going back to playing their games with the original flipper set-up, and many of them re-order to install in other games they own. Once the player makes the transistion into this system that's when it becomes as I say in my advertising 'A Game Changer' because it really is.

I'll just summarize it this way, YOU GUYS ARE AWSOME and I'm looking forward to continuing to offer more products and options going forward this year. We're just getting going!

BTW, How do you like the Super Mini's (soon to become ear rings)
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You get us hooked and then limit the supply. Classic drug dealer behavior!!

(I tease, we all love you John!!)

Those super minis would make some good key rings as well!

Only if they had a beer opener designed in.

I thought I had it covered, wrong! punkin had to go and throw me another curve ball. Now I have to clip on a beer bottle opener

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Have you tried using it yet? I can use about any edge to pop a top. I think the underside of those solids might just be open enough to do it as is... just a hunch. Try it out and report back John, we know you have a fridge full.

Spent a whole weekend out bush one time opening every beer with a different tool.

My mates girlfriend laughed at me when we got there and i said my bottle opener was at home, so each beer i'd use a stick, a rock, some wire, a fence post, a frying pan, a lighter etc to open each bottle.

I was going to say the same thing. Something like this...

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Cept you forgot the notch in the point of the flipper for us can drinkers

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Without that you end up with callouses like this.

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There's a piece of metal in there that pops it easily. Might just be hard to see from the pictures. It's there.

Vespula I gave it a try. I used the round ring under the lip of the cap and pulled up on it, popped right off!

You know it! I know it, but
Punkin gonna need pictures.

Don't bother me, i don't drink stubbies.

Plus i had 2000 of these made.

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Any suggestions on how to get the new bushing to fit? It’s not able to mount flush on Ghostbusters. Needs another quarter inch higher.

Got a call back from John and found out I need to open up the hole carefully with some sandpaper.

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Put a set on my JJP POTC and now nothing compares.

Is there an option for classic Bally’s?

Yessir.

Just installed Halo's on my GOTG and the bushings were tight like you are describing. I just took a tiny hammer and screwdriver to tap the busining up into place. From underneath the playfield use the handle end of screwdriver flush against the bushing and tap the opposite end with small hammer. It'll glide right up into place. If you need to move the bushing to align holes then insert screwdriver into one of the bushing holes and gently tap to rotate until holes align.

Halo LE in the house!

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Hey there, as I'm prepairing for tournaments I change the pitch of my games and remove rubbers.
However, the hardest part for me is to adjust to different flipper angles on tournaments.

I was hoping those flippers can help in this regard since i can adjust the angles easily by hand,
but I want as natural feeling as possibe. I was thinking about NOT istalling the bushings and using
the halo flippers only for this purpose. So i can easily change the flipperangles and try to get used
to the new angles as quick as possible.

Regarding the natural feeling. I have seen that the rebound can be quite strong due to the material stiffness.
Livecatches can be hard for example. Here a little fun example... however, on earlier streams from Joel seen
in this video, he used the Halo flippers, and those didn't bounce as much?

Anyone can tell me whats the best solution for me? I dont have access to many games here so I have to play at home mostly.

Halos with full thickness titans catch pretty similar to stock IMO. I'm not a tourney player, but I'd think practicing with something that was a little more difficult for ball control would actually be a very good strategy anyway. Should make your reflexes better, not worse.

Genuinely curious to hear what tourney players think of their effect on their playing long term.

Halos are closer to the feel of regular flippers but are still different.

would you recommend them for my issue with adjusting to different flipper angles?

That’s basically the reason why they exist. Super easy to adjust angle on the fly.

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions? I seemed to have misplaced mine (and I'm trying to figure out how to remove a previous set of precision flippers so I can install the keyed shaft ones).

jonesjb I just emailed you a set of the instructions.

ABE_FLIPS you can also install the kits and use the plastic OEM bushings, but you'll be giving up a key component of the system that dramatically improves shot accuracy. Also, as others have stated the HALO's can be tweaked to play very close to the same feel for dead bounce and live catches depending on the style and type of flipper rubber used. I can say with 100% confidence after installing you'll look forward to adjusting and experimenting with adjusting flipper angles, its super easy and painless. Oh, and you can change between styles easily too, but that's a given.

Thanks, much appreciated! With the keyed shaft, I'm guessing we really don't need to make these super tight right?

jonesjb Correct. You just need to tighten the clamp screw tight enough to take up the small amount of tolerance between the shaft and clamp. It does need to be tight, but not to the extent of the factory clamps. Make sure to leave a small amount of vertical float between the clamp and the bottom of the bushing.

I personally like the solid flippers better as they deliver a bigger bounce with rubber and makes it that much harder to control for top players. I agree the Halo’s are much easier to do drop catches and act as lot like regular flipper with superbands for full control. But for tournament play I am going with lightning flipper solid flippers with Titan Rubber as my standard. We have been using this setup on our Godzilla for the past three months and it works great. Plan on doing a few more before our event, the trouble of course is the cost as we have 60 machines in our event that could use a full change out, but to purchase the bushings, shaft/clamp, and flippers is a pretty big investment. Over time hope to convert all of our modern machines over so that quick adjustments can be made on the fly as ot does make things so much easier.

But they make it impossible for not top players. Halos are a better balance of that imo.

I personally think harder setups improve amataur players. In my location the games are setup for PAPA A standards and I have seen so much improvement from the players even when they now compete at larger tournaments now with these types of setups as they are used to what to expected in playing in high level competitions. But I agree if you want longer playing games and more like a stock playing machine Halos are an excellent choice. Plus they look like a million bucks which is why a number of home collectors are purchasing them.

Yeah I guess I’m just more concerned about game times. If a 4 player group is only taking 25 mins on average, I see no reason to make anymore adjustments to the game, no matter how hard or easy it is setup.

Thanks for the information! I'm just not sure if I want that key component of a flawless aim since my goal is to get comfortable with standard and bad adjusted machines. I'm sure it will be helpful to get to super secret wizard modes, but then again... I also can close my outlanes, remove the tilt bob and use a pitch of 6°.
So why should I want it? Of course I'd be interested how it feels with such a great accuracy.

Thank you! This is great.

Don't buy it then.

It hasn't helped my substandard game so much i feel like I'm cheating (as all the other things you said are), that's for sure.

I am partly interested as Halos seem to reduce flipper fade, because they are lighter, and coils don't work so hard.

Would like to know if owners are noticing less flipper fade?

Ya for sure, even on my setups it is still around 20 minutes a round right now in league which is fair, you can still blow them up but you earn it…

You didn't read my initial comment? There is a reason I was asking for it.

Right on. Your previous post made it seem like you were going to make these changes no matter what. I like to take it game by game, which I’m sure you do as well.

I haven't had mine on a very long time, but I think they're likely to make me a better player because for one, my whirlwind plays faster than it's ever played since I put them on.

Also, it's been touched on previously in this thread, but I suspect the improved accuracy is going to improve my play as well. I'll use the cellar shot on my whirlwind for an example. With the normal flipper setup, when shooting that shot from the right flipper, the exact center of the flipper was the most likely spot to successfully sink the ball in the scoop... but not always. There were plenty of times I'd flip with the exact right timing and it would brick to the right or left of the scoop. Additionally, there were just as many times where I'd know I flipped either way too early or way too late, but the slop in the system would luck the ball into the hole for me anyway. With the halos and precision bushings, that shot is now consistently 2/3's of the way down the flipper. If I flip early, it misses right, and if I flip late, it misses left. The range of where the ball can be on the flipper for a successful shot is really small now, whereas with the plastic flippers and bushings there was a range of well over half the width of a ball where that shot might well go in.

I think it's not so much that these new flippers give you flawless aim, it's more that they give you consistent precision. So, yes, on one hand it does make the game easier, in that you no longer get the surprise misses when you've shot with the correct timing, but I would guess that is more than balanced out by the fact that you also never get the false positives where a badly timed flip makes the shot anyway.

I'm definitely curious what more experienced players and people who've had precisions on their games longer think in comparison to what I'm seeing though.

Yep for sure, I have a nice pair for regular precisions ready to go for IronMan lol… You’re right and what is under estimated is the time TD’s take to do individual setups on each machine to make sure they kinda all end at the same time it is really a fine art. Some games you pull rubber others not needed. Some don’t have control over their location so they are screwed but I can tell you I am constantly looking for that right balance.

I've read all the comments in this thread, but i have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember what each person has said in the past.

I was saying that I have problems to adjust on different flipper angles on tournaments and if this system can help, since I can change the angles fast with it. However, my concern was that the flippers feel different and how it affects the ball and that I want original bounces and not so much the precision thing, thats all.
So your comment "I should not buy it" makes no sense

thanks for the long text, I will give it a shot. If it can help me at least to be aware of the flaws of the precision of standard flippers it's also a win already, since I want to learn as much about those things as possible. I know exactly what you are talking about... I experienced the same failed shots on the whirwind I owned

I know English is not your first language Abe, but i have trouble understanding what you are saying in this instance.

If you change from plain rubber to perfect play or titans it makes "the flippers feel different and how it affects the ball". If you polish the playfield before the game or not it makes the game different.

If you want original bounces, you need to stick to plain rubber and set the machine up with the manufacturers recommended playfield angle, rather than the angle that makes the game play best.

So, to me, what you are saying "makes no sense'.

Respectfully.

You will get the adjustment ease you desire, but they play differently. It takes practice to get used to the timing differences.

No bad feelings, sometimes it's hard to express my thoughts with english language. Here is the original post. I think most people understood it since I got good answers.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/review-precision-pinball-products-cnc-flipper-system/page/39#post-7388363

chuckwurt
thanks I'll try it!

I know this post is 6 months old but I am going through this thread and maybe getting these flippers and had to bust out laughing reading this. We are of the same mind set!!!