I hate when people agree to a price then accept a higher offer. Totally dishonest thing to do. Almost equally bad is offering a higher price when you know a deal has been made. Both sleazy practices. People should have more honesty and decency. Not worth selling your honor for a few bucks.

Exactly, it has become part of the game

I never write feedback unless asked. I just don't care that much. I mainly do local cash on the glass sales so feedback on here isn't important.

It's always been part of the game. Always.

The first time a seller backed out on a sale from me was in 2002, when I was trying to buy my second game, and a dude with a Space Mission suddenly couldn't sell it "because it's my wife's favorite game!!!"

Of course, at that time, humans interacted in other ways besides online feedback reviews, so I was unable to stretch it out for a month with dueling bad feedbacks and a thread on pinside. Yes, it stung. You could say I was crushed! I REALLY wanted that $400 Space Mission!

But then 2 days later, I found some other game to buy. Turns out there's thousands of games out there.

Life is short. I don't begrudge people for playing the Yelp! game, even if it's not really my cup of tea. But when feedback is used for revenge (which seems to be the motive here), it always starts an obnoxious cycle like this; anybody who ever used eBay back in 1999 should probably know this by now. I don't think feedback is particularly valuable on Pinside, since you can leave it for anybody, at any time, for any reason, even if you haven't bought or sold a game from them. With all the bickering that goes on here I'm surprised the system hasn't seen even more abuse.

Exactly, first one there with cash on the glass. No sour grapes!

As a seller this is how you should operate then. To avoid these issues advise potential buyers that you can negotiate over the internet or phone or whatever but it’s going to be still up for grabs until the cash is on the glass

Csulli1023 Using the @ provides a link to the seller.

I would stay away from any Pinsider that only has sales transactions as their pinside activity.

Also, if they lied about you coming and seeing the game in the feedback then they should be banned from Pinside or at least suspended.

I’ve never left a bad feedback on eBay, even when I was more than entitled to.

I never down vote on pinside either.

Makes me feel like a snitch...

I had a similar issue with the seller. Committed to buying a Star Wars upright arcade game. When time came to pick up, already sold from under me.
Best thing to do is send a deposit with the seller so they don't back out. I wouldn't have posted negative feedback though. I think it's best to deal with a deposit
to lock it in.

Who's to say they aren't going to back out once they get a deposit? I hate receiving a deposit for a game I am selling and I'm not going to give a stranger any money without having the item right there in front of me. If it sells, so be it. not worth losing out on money or going through the hassle of someone wanting their deposit back if they back out on the purchase. I know I'm in the minority here, but I like to hold my money close.

Cash on the glass and you gotta move fast! If you want it and the price is right there are probably other's that feel the same way. Have to move quick. It's the name of the game.

Although I think leaving negative feedback due to disappointment is lame AF even though you have every right to do so, I do agree the lying in the retaliation feedback is a shit bag move though.

The perception here by a minority of Users that this is simply the way it has always been done
doesn't mean the buying process can't be improved. Intolerance of mealy-mouthed Sellers /Buyers
by using Feedback can be an effective deterrent in the Information Age we live in.

Unfortunately, without a deposit, they could say the same about you. Pinball/Vid hobby is very flaky. No shows, not happy once they see the game. There's
hundreds of excuses. Deposit is honestly the best way.

I had this happen. Sent a deposit via paypal and the seller claimed that since the money wasn't in their bank account yet it didn't count. Then wanted to wait 2 weeks to refund me. Turns out they used the paypal from their business and I threatened a BBB report and they took care of it on the spot.

Hey at least there's a bright side to the story. The game is gone and you have money in your pocket to fund another. There's always that silver lining in the
cloud. It's not the first and last game that didn't make it home. But there are others

Situation sucks, but it happens. If I had a dollar for every time I've had the rug pulled from underneath me I'd have enough to buy a nib. Writing the poor review just stoked the flames. Honestly, after looking at the sale thread any experienced pinsider could tell the person was looking for top dollar and not really in the hobby for the right reasons. I drove 6 hours once to buy a 1978 VW bus in immaculate condition and as I was about to buy the bus someone called the seller and started to offer him more money than I had brought... I left without the bus... It happens, you move on.

Did someone say ... Imamaculate

Sorry couldn't help myself.

Never get excited about a game until you shut the hatch and drive away.

A pinsider living next door to me and we haven’t met? For shame.
Consider an invite sent your way.

Sorry about the bad experience with the FT sale. Seemingly dodged a bullet otherwise. Agreed that the feedback was uncalled for.

The feedback for both members has been removed.

Exactly. It sounds like this situation was at the pre-sale negotiation stage. Most feedback systems, including this one, are intended to be used after the completion of a transaction. In this case, a transaction never took place.

Maybe that should be spelled out somewhere when people leave feedback.

That's nice, but what your average angry Pinsider sees is

"Guy says his wife changed her mind? LEAVE BAD FEEDBACK!"

I'd imagine a bolded caveat saying "Please leave feedback ONLY if you have completed a transaction and exchanged goods/services for money with a fellow Pinsider." would help clear it up.

It's up to robin to change it, but it's very rarely a problem.

I can understand being disappointed by a sale that didn't work out, but after all, Its a pinball machine....its not life.

Theres a lot more FT out there-I waited for a nice one to come up for sale here on Pinside and went to St Louis for mine! (I looked at his F/S ad when it came up-looked to me like that machine needed some work...)

I'd just turn the page and move on-lots of flaky sellers out there!

Dude, this should be the #1 reason to leave bad feedback...of course it might exponentially increase the server strain but I say it's worth it.

Can I leave feedback for the guy's wife?

Ward is my Bond.
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Only if she's actually involved and you speak with her. I'm starting to get the feeling with some folks these wives aren't really involved at all!

Only if you "have completed a transaction and exchanged goods/services for money" with her

I went and looked at an arcade game from the seller and it was a different game from that pictured in the add. I left thinking that how could they feel they could get away with that. Of course I did not buy it. The seller is shady to say the least.

I know I sound like a crusty old badger but to me negotiations should start when you are standing over the machine inspecting it. If you can't be there and can't find someone to look at it for you and can't obtain enough pictures to satisfy every question you might have, then keep looking. I am sorry things didn't work out but it might be a blessing.

I've found fanning a stack of benjamins also helps with the negotiations.

And if things are going bad, start lighting your cigars with them. Adds a sense of urgency to the discussion.

To be honest, that pin looks like a well routed pile of crap anyways. Spend a little bit more money and buy something nice. What you would have saved in price, you would have more than over paid for in parts etc to make that thing half descent. Not to mention however you value your time.
Be thankful someone bought it and find a nicer one.

From those pictures I wouldn't even give 2400 for that game. The one for 3700 looked well worth the money.

A 25 year old routed pin which hasn’t been well cared for like that probably has plenty of non-cosmetic issues that will eat $$’s.

The ad looked like trouble and the OP confirmed it! I am glad this thread was made to warn others on here. That's the whole point of a community, no?

Same shit happened to me, only maybe it was just an honest mistake of not understanding "we have a deal if X" "X happened" meaning WE HAVE A DEAL. Anyway, I dropped it and bought a better version from a trusted seller here on pinside. Most of us are good, honest, trustworthy people. It's sad we have a few bad eggs among us.

Exactly! And it's feedback, not a condemnation of one's worth as a human being, which is how some seem to take it (usually by those who have little value to the planet). I value my 100% positive feedback, as I think I deserve it. It's not worth the chance (nay, probability based upon unnamed wanker's behavior during the sale) of getting retaliatory feedback or even into a he said he said battle which would besmirch my reputation. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Csulli1023 has 83 sales transactions with only 1 year on Pinside….Shaaaady. 2 feedbacks in their history (all be it positive) is NOT positive feedback. Their forum feedback is NOT stellar either so there's another red flag. They aren't even posting in the forum but using Pinside to only sell. They are ending the sales early therefore NOT paying any fees and avoiding any feedback issues here. I'd never consider buying from someone like this. --->
https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/csulli1023/forum

Cmjb13 Take not to this stuff when buying and be thankful you didn't buy the game because it looked like a sh!t-show from the beginning. Just from looking at the pictures its obviously dirty and unshopped with errors which the seller is NOT divulging in the description. Not in great shape --->
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-fish-tales-great-shape

I had a personal dealing with this particular seller. It was for a Mousin' Around. https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/82115. I asked specific questions on the game: Is the game a re-import? Response: No. Any dot errors? Response: No. We came to an agreed upon cash price of $2,000.00 provided I immediately pick up the game. I rented a van and went to pick up the game. Went into the dingy basement loaded with other games. Turned on the game and dot error. Go into the menu and there was a laundry list of errors. She stated that the game played perfect last night. Then I lifted up the play field and there was an extra board on the inside of the cabinet with wires going into the game. Some hack job. I told her this is a re-import and the hack job was never disclosed. I would do the deal for $200 less. She said "no". I often wonder who ended up with the game. Glad it wasn't me.

This thread is full of guys bitching about a guy for bitching about a seller. Pinside is a funny place.

Nothing in the quoted image says anything about only leaving feedback for completed transactions. It says ..."ratings left by those who have dealt with that Pinsider." Dealing with someone means interacting with them in any way so like CrazyLevi suggested if you want it to only be for things bought or sold and not when deals were not completed because at least one of the parties didn't like how things were going that should be spelled out in the feedback instructions.