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resto: Seawitch (mof: 20141015)

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#1 9 years ago

Another grail has arrived... with a smile on!

I just had a 1980 Stern Seawitch shipped across the US using STI and all they messed up was a twisted ankle on the front right leg. I'm a lucky guy, right?

It's a REAL GRADE A beater. I'll be replacing everything but the boards, the harness, the displays, and the cabinet. I'll be getting a BG and PF from John G. in Halifax, CA.

I'll write up a more interesting story here when I have time. Just wanted to get this process started. I have *lots* of work ahead before this machine is a respectable player.

Boards seem to work well. Connector issues for sure. Crispy Connectors abound. Missing a few pieces on the top side. Some broken brackets on the left orbit (I imagine this is very common with SW)

I'm going to guess this is a 60-hour shop job BEFORE doing the PF swap. I'll focus on that until Xmas, at which point I hope to begin and complete my HS PF swap over a week-long break.

-mof

Next post(s) will host all the "BEFORE" pics...

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PARTS/GRADES (6) overall
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* Apron: 7: has a few scratches that are "character flaws", not worth a replacement.
* Boards: 8: Everything seems to be working.
* Body: 5: pretty good shape. Lots of bondo/sanding in the future and repaint/stencil
* Backglass: 6: good restore candidate, otherwise need a new one from John G.
* Displays: 9: nearly perfect
* Inner Cab: 7: No holes, but I'm concerned about some stains that there may be some soft spots, haven't pried in there just yet.
* Legs/"Feet": 6: Legs are ok, but everything is rusted stuck.
* Plastics: 7: has a decent set on there, but I have a replacement set in the wings.
* Playfield: 4: warped, stabbed, planked, looking forward to the replacement.
* Shooter and Assembly: 5: Already replaced it with a new modfather shooter.
* Side Rails: 7: Flat and clean, no major bumps, a little rust
* Transformer: 8: Looks good.

#2 9 years ago

PROBLEMS
1. replace a few controlled lamp sockets (hopefully it's just the sockets, and no transistors)

COMPLETE (34) -- (Goal is 1 hour per day... Currently on pace.)
* new rubber kit (X)
* install new modfather shooter (.3)
* plastic set bought from PP (X)
* playfield paid for from John G. (arrives Q1, 2015)
* clean and wax old PF (.5)
* clean and wax cabinet (.5)
* check rectifier TP's (.1)
* add beer strip to LDB (.1)
* install 3-prong plug (.2)
* vacuum/clean inside of cabinet (1.3)
* wiped upper inside of cabinet (.3)
* de-rusting lockdown bar (.2)
* de-rusting transformer board screws (.2)
* flipper buttons cleaned, brackets buffed (.5)
* clean and derust LDBR (1.8)
* re-pin and install new rectifier board (3.0)
* remove, clean, sand, varnish transformer board (1.5)
* install missing bracket (.2)
* swap out all old rubber post caps with new ones (for now) (.3)
* replaced all 44s in the PF with clean 44s for max brightness (1)
* replaced all 4 flipper assemblies, and cleaned 4 flippers (6)
* replace all BG bulbs with 47's (.5)
* set dipswitches for extra balls, and 3-ball play (.5)
* install new flipper button switches (1.5)
* fix chatter in slings with new switches (3.0)
* clean up instruction cards and print them nicely (2.0)
* polish spinner bracket and shooter lane ball stop (1)
* replace missing side carriage bolt (X)
* replace some starpost with blue starposts (.2)
* fix the upper left bracket (1.3)
* install ~50 new blue star posts (2.0)
* install bulb condoms on the three line-of-sight bulbs (X)
* install new legs/new levelers (polish leg bolts, and level it) (1.0)
* fix sticky drop target(s) by replacing drop springs (.5)
* cleaned up switch and re-soldered wires to remove intermittent behavior (.5)
* check all fuses (for good measure) (X)
* replace 2 big caps on solenoid board (for good measure) (1) [34]

TO DO LIST
HIGH

LOW
* power check (rectifier, lamp board, MPU, etc) (for good measure)
* driver board ground mods https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-quick-bally-driver-board-repair-bulletproofing#post-592756
* disassemble, clean up and rebuild pop bumpers
* clean and polish PF glass back channel
* polish BG channels and add tape to improve grip
* remove all carriage bolts from coin door, and polish them
* remove and de-rust the coin flap
* remove and polish orbit stainless steel parts
* clean all components under the apron
* replace a few ball guides with chipped chrome (piano wire)
* create and install "S" plastic -- https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/any-seawitch-fans-on-pinside/page/2#post-1974933

SOMEDAY
* disassemble and clean all three sets of drops
* full PF swap (80+ hours)
* clean up the coin door

GOAL: Keep total parts investment to under $2000 (not including base game cost). (Current plan $1185 short term.)

BOUGHT ($1315)
* John G's PF ($500)
* Seawitch Plastic Set ($100)
* new rectifier board ($110)
* new 3-prong plug ($5)
* new post caps ($5)
* new flipper rebuild kits from PBL with new coils ($190)
* new pop bumper skirts (yellow) ($10)
* new leg levelers ($5)
* 4 new bats +shafts (4x$3.75) ($15)
* new caps ($10)
* new legs ($75)
* new sling switches ($10)
* lamp socket replacements (50x$1) ($50)
* new flipper rubbers ($5)
* new drop target springs ($15)
* ~50 blue star posts ($35)
* new John G. BG ($175)

SHOPPING LIST ($45)
* new connectors ($10)
* (reserved $35)

SOMEDAY ($580)
* repaint cabinet + stencils ($500)
* new target set ($55) (might skip)
* scan and clean and redo some of the old school signs inside cabinet. (esp the fuse one)
* find new star targets ($25)

-mof

#3 9 years ago

Pre-loading pics in the sunshine...
Enjoy...
-mof

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#4 9 years ago

I am looking for a missing piece, I'll make a new post about it later...
-mof

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#5 9 years ago

Love me some SeaWitch!

#6 9 years ago

Does John produce new repro play fields, or does he only restore existing ones?

#7 9 years ago

Yep'... Like he said above ^. Great classic Stern, and best of luck on the restore ~SpOoKy

#8 9 years ago

Looking forward to your restore mof. Mine was in a really bad shape when I got it as well, but it turned out ok after shopping it out a bit. But it definitely needs a new playfield.image-323.jpgimage-323.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg

#9 9 years ago
Quoted from westofrome:

Does John produce new repro play fields, or does he only restore existing ones?

He makes 'em from scratch.
-mof

#10 9 years ago

Seawitch has a great playfield design.
This game is exactly what I expected.
It's a drop target bash fest. Fast action.

Oh if *only* it had voice and a 2-ball multiball. It would be even more epic...

Most bulbs are working on the PF. A few crap sockets, a few bulbs to replace...

Here's the official "BEFORE" picture to compare 100 hours from now...
=)

-mof
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#11 9 years ago

I'd like to thank modfather for the shooter rod that REALLY matches this game. I got the shooter rod "before" I had a lead on a game, and so his artwork was the inspiration to find and build a game around the shooter rod.
-mof

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#12 9 years ago

Great game, mine was fitted with Wms flipper mechs before I got it and it still plays pretty good, very fast and sometimes relentless ass kicking. This is my second witch. I got one when I first got into pinball and sold it. I was a stupid noob then. I also had an NOS pf that I regretfully sold as well. But I think it ended up being used by John G to make the repros so I'm kind of glad that way.

#13 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

I'd like to thank modfather for the shooter rod that REALLY matches this game. I got the shooter rod "before" I had a lead on a game, and so his artwork was the inspiration to find and build a game around the shooter rod.
-mof

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Sweet! does he have more of them?

#14 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

I am looking for a missing piece, I'll make a new post about it later...
-mof

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I know to well the piece your missing on the playfield. I was missing one on my Seawitch. It totally kills the play of the game with out it. Your referring to the spring metal guide which moves to allow the ball to be plunged into the playfield area and then springs back to create a circle on the playfield. I actually purchased a complete 2nd Seawitch to obtain that piece and the next day I scored a used playfield with one on. Never know what you will find at the Allentown show. This seem like something cliffy would be able to make.

#15 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

Final grail has arrived...

Final? Yeah, sure

#16 9 years ago

Nice Mof!

You got it early. Lucky you. Ive always liked seawitch. Cant wait to watch the restore happen. Enjoy buddy.

#17 9 years ago
Quoted from ibuypinballs:

I know to well the piece your missing on the playfield. I was missing one on my Seawitch.

It sounds like Steve Young has the part for $6.50 -- I'll find out soon enough!
=)
-mof

#18 9 years ago

Wow... this SW is the Krispy Kreme Connector darling of my collection. I'll be learning how to repin/replace connectors like a champ this time around, no option. Hehe...

Now the GI in the backbox is working, and it's out in the PF -- bad connectors anyone?

-mof

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#19 9 years ago

Holy smokes, this old PF has a some warp...
I'll need more than a new PF -- I'll need new rails for it... yikes.
-mof

#20 9 years ago

Rectifier board TP values check out: (T3, a lil high)

TP1: 5.85vdc
TP2: 245vdc
TP3: 13.85vdc (13.3 should be max, so a lil high)
TP4: 7.22vac
TP5: 46.6vdc

-mof

#21 9 years ago
Quoted from s2k4ary:

Looking forward to your restore mof. Mine was in a really bad shape when I got it as well, but it turned out ok after shopping it out a bit. But it definitely needs a new playfield.

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From the pics, your playfield looks pretty good, why need new?

#22 9 years ago
Quoted from Lovef2k:

From the pics, your playfield looks pretty good, why need new?

It's warped and planked and has a hole through it where the pointed arm prop goes into the shallow circle of thin wood. I'll show close ups later tonight.

Easy decision. I made the decision before I even found a SW. =)
-mof

Post edited by mof: Oh, I see you were askin' the other guy, haha - np...

#23 9 years ago

Pure pinporn! I'm just finishing up restoring a Meteor. I will have a lot of spare parts that will fit this machine as I made one from two. I do not have a cabinet though my extra one had been deep in water and has mold growing from the inside. PM me if you have any queries.

#24 9 years ago
Quoted from dri:

Pure pinporn! I'm just finishing up restoring a Meteor. I will have a lot of spare parts that will fit this machine as I made one from two. I do not have a cabinet though my extra one had been deep in water and has mold growing from the inside. PM me if you have any queries.

Mighty generous of you.

For the time being, I just need the two parts listed in the second post.
-mof

#25 9 years ago

If I were you, I would think twice about replacing those original drop targets. Repro drop targets tend to brick a bit more, are slightly smaller and occasionally may not stay up after a reset. There are fixes you can put in place, but those repro drop targets will not perform as well as the originals

#26 9 years ago
Quoted from BrianBannon:

If I were you, I would think twice about replacing those original drop targets. Repro drop targets tend to brick a bit more, are slightly smaller and occasionally may not stay up after a reset. There are fixes you can put in place, but those repro drop targets will not perform as well as the originals

I'm considering touching up the blue by hand and mylaring them... They are just fine for now. I'll take that into account. Thanks man...
-mof

#27 9 years ago

Are there any plans to improve on the design of the current repro targets, I wonder...shouldn't have to mod repros for them to work, you'd think?

#28 9 years ago

I had a blast playing this yesterday. Needless to say im a little bit jealous of you on this one.

#29 9 years ago
Quoted from Jabbles180:

I had a blast playing this yesterday. Needless to say im a little bit jealous of you on this one.

There's another Seawitch for sale out in the USA somewhere. Keep looking!
-mof

#30 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

It sounds like Steve Young has the part for $6.50 -- I'll find out soon enough!
=)
-mof

Did Steve Young have the playfield part?

#31 9 years ago
Quoted from ibuypinballs:

Did Steve Young have the playfield part?

Yes on the missing part on the right.
No on replacing the left orbit guide with brackets.
-mof

#32 9 years ago

It's not pinporn, but it must be done.
Tree Prong.
-mof

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#33 9 years ago

Last night, spent an hour, and vacuumed the cab again, and wiped down every part, and every wire, to help diminish the "old school smell" and reduce that "not so fresh feeling"...

Look forward to giving it a good whiff tonight and seeing how much smell has been reduced.
-mof

#34 9 years ago

someone else posted spraying some vodka in the cabinet, i have had a Flash that just smelled funny for years and couple days of lightly spraying and i am starting to be a believer. i just rechecked as it has been a few weeks. still a slight funk but much better than it has been in a while.

i also take a big magnet that is wrapped in tape and one layer of paper dragging it all over the floor. You would be amazed at how much metal dust the vacuum misses and missing parts you can find.

#35 9 years ago

You de-must your pins? That must is one of my favorite things about older machines. Over the years i guess its become a comfort smell.

#36 9 years ago
Quoted from Jabbles180:

You de-must your pins? That must is one of my favorite things about older machines. Over the years i guess its become a comfort smell.

I don't mind a little "old school smell" -- but this one was a bit overpowering when I got it. Just need it to calm down a little.
-mof

#37 9 years ago

water and vodka mixed is an old trick for removing smoke from performers clothes (think plays, musicians). Get's rid of the smell without too many launderings. I'm pretty sure the $3 bottle of odor remover I bought at lowes is water and alcohol.

#38 9 years ago

It smells much better now. Good hour of cleaning spent. It's past the "whoa..." stage, and it's more in the "hey, it smells like 1980 in there" stage...

-mof

#39 9 years ago

* Transformer board out
* Derusting screws
* Lockdown bar receiver off, handle removed -- overnight in evaporust
* more cables wiped down
* inside of cabinet cleaned a bit
* flipper buttons cleaned, brackets buffed to a shine

It's actually a respectable inner cab now. This transformer is a clean one.
-mof

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#40 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

It's not pinporn, but it must be done.
Tree Prong.
-mof

I love the idea of putting the pin name on the cord near the plug.
Laying under a pin looking at several plugs, "Hmmmm, which cord is Taxi now?"

#41 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

* Transformer board out
* Derusting screws
* Lockdown bar receiver off, handle removed -- overnight in evaporust
* more cables wiped down
* inside of cabinet cleaned a bit
* flipper buttons cleaned, brackets buffed to a shine
It's actually a respectable inner cab now. This transformer is a clean one.
-mof

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Lookin' good mof!

#42 9 years ago
Quoted from RCA1:

I love the idea of putting the pin name on the cord near the plug.
Laying under a pin looking at several plugs, "Hmmmm, which cord is Taxi now?"

Yeah, I finally got sick of wondering once I got to 8 per power strip. It saves me time, that's for sure.
-mof

#43 9 years ago
Quoted from Lovef2k:

Lookin' good mof!

TY! First-time through cleanup is a grind, but it must be done.
-mof

#44 9 years ago

Tonight, after returning from a pub and watching the Giants lose with some friends, I let those worries melt away with a little lockdown bar receiver de-rusting, sanding, cleaning, buffing, and more cleaning...

The results should payoff and last a while...
-mof

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#45 9 years ago

3 hours and 50+ wires later, I have all the male molex pins ready to wire up J1,J2,J3 on the new rectifier board.

I decided to remove the transformer board and I'll sand it down nicely before hooking everything back up. I'll enjoy that on Sunday.

-mof

#46 9 years ago

Transformer board sanded. Sprayed a little varnish on there. Sanded. Resprayed. Feels good to the touch, with a touch of sheen on there. That was the goal -- to have something looking stock, but much easier to clean for the next 30 years...

-mof

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Pin-Logic dual plug board
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#47 9 years ago

Tom finally answered my question from Saturday night. Now I have the information I need to re-wire my rectifier board. My advice: Be incredibly patient when communicating with Tom, like you would with your grandfather. Ask things 5+ times, be persistent, and you might finally get your answer within a few short days.

-mof

#48 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

Transformer board sanded. Sprayed a little varnish on there. Sanded. Resprayed. Feels good to the touch, with a touch of sheen on there. That was the goal -- to have something looking stock, but much easier to clean for the next 30 years...
-mof

looks great

#49 9 years ago
Quoted from mof:

The documentation for the Pin-Logic came with no fewer than 11 guides. I've struggled with knowing which one to use for this Stern project. Tom has been helping via email, but I'm awaiting a phone call to get some questions answered. I'm kinda stuck until I hear from him.
-mof

yeah those connectors looks confusing, I would have gone the stock way and soldered the wires to the board. I had to cut a new board for my witch because the original transformer assy was switched out with a head mounted transformer for some reason. Look at this hack. resistors paralleled to the speaker, I guess the impedance was different, and I love the paper clip to hold it.

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#50 9 years ago

Here's the transformer board re-installed. A few of the wires were a bit short when re-wired using molex connectors, so I've got a few tight wires. I can live with that. My main goal, is knowing I have a very clean interior with solid power, with minimal "old school 80's smell."

-mof
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