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Replay Plugs

By tengle93

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

Having a little problem understanding how I set the high score for my Continental Cafe. Plugs are all daisy chained together with no markings. This is much different than my other "newer" machines. Just can't wrap my head around this one. Thanks in advance.

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#2 6 years ago
Quoted from tengle93:

Having a little problem understanding how I set the high score for my Continental Cafe. Plugs are all daisy chained together with no markings. This is much different than my other "newer" machines. Just can't wrap my head around this one. Thanks in advance.

Each of the daisy chained plugs with the green wire in your photo will add an award level to the game when plugged in. So one jack occupied as you have it means just one award level. Several plugs plugged in would have several award levels. Determining the award levels is a little trickier.

The five daisy chained plugs are the five upward pointing arrows in the schematic to the right of the "ADJ." label. Although judging from the wire colors, the order of the jacks in the photo is reversed from the order of the circles (just above the arrows) in the schematic.

The jack you have occupied doesn't look like the Green-White wire so it's probably the Maroon-White wire on the other end which is the "5" jack in the schematic. I think the way this works is that the 100s score reel for each player has a rivet board with a wiper that can tell which digit is showing by closing the circuit between the wiper and one of the rivets. In your case, with the "5" jack occupied on the adjustment, it looks like a replay is awarded when either player reaches 400 points. If you also put a plug into the next jack (the "7" jack in the schematic) you'd also get an award when either player reaches 600 points.

The schematic shows that the 100s score reel wiper has 9 positions where it can make contact with a rivet, but only the 4, 6, 7, 8 & 9 positions would award a replay if there were a plug in the corresponding jack (which are labeled 5, 7, 8, 9 & 10 somehow). I assume that means that the possible award levels are at 400, 600, 700, 800 & 900 points. I don't see how to award a replay at 1000 points as shown on your score card.

/Mark

#3 6 years ago

Looks like plugging into the rightmost (or Green&White) wire (which is leftmost on the schematic) will award a replay at 1000. Worth testing, tengle93

#4 6 years ago
Quoted from HowardR:

Looks like plugging into the rightmost (or Green&White) wire (which is leftmost on the schematic) will award a replay at 1000. Worth testing, tengle93

The line of circles at the bottom (or top) I think represent the wiper rivets etc. Im guessing it awards at 1000 regardless

#5 6 years ago

Problem is that based on the tray cards the possible scores for replay are
600
900
1000
1200
1400
1600

I may just plug them in one at a time and see what I get.

#6 6 years ago
Quoted from MarkG:

Each of the daisy chained plugs with the green wire in your photo will add an award level to the game when plugged in. So one jack occupied as you have it means just one award level. Several plugs plugged in would have several award levels. Determining the award levels is a little trickier.
The five daisy chained plugs are the five upward pointing arrows in the schematic to the right of the "ADJ." label. Although judging from the wire colors, the order of the jacks in the photo is reversed from the order of the circles (just above the arrows) in the schematic.
The jack you have occupied doesn't look like the Green-White wire so it's probably the Maroon-White wire on the other end which is the "5" jack in the schematic. I think the way this works is that the 100s score reel for each player has a rivet board with a wiper that can tell which digit is showing by closing the circuit between the wiper and one of the rivets. In your case, with the "5" jack occupied on the adjustment, it looks like a replay is awarded when either player reaches 400 points. If you also put a plug into the next jack (the "7" jack in the schematic) you'd also get an award when either player reaches 600 points.
The schematic shows that the 100s score reel wiper has 9 positions where it can make contact with a rivet, but only the 4, 6, 7, 8 & 9 positions would award a replay if there were a plug in the corresponding jack (which are labeled 5, 7, 8, 9 & 10 somehow). I assume that means that the possible award levels are at 400, 600, 700, 800 & 900 points. I don't see how to award a replay at 1000 points as shown on your score card.
/Mark

That's sort of the conclusion I came to but the score cards confused me. You are right in that it appears 1000, 1100-1300 and 1500 are not possible award levels. Looks like I'll have to make up a custom one unless someone else has an idea.

#7 6 years ago

Digging a little more, I don't think the numbered positions on the Hundred Unit in the schematic correspond to points after all (e.g. the 3 position may not mean 300 points). I found the schematic for a '56 Gottlieb Register has a little more information:

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On this schematic it seems that the numbered position on the Hundred Units and the award level are off by 1. So position 3 for example awards 400 points if the Maroon jack is occupied, and the 9 position awards 1000 points. Note that many of the wire colors for the adjustment jacks are the same as yours so maybe those correlate.

We may only be able to speculate how the Hundreds Unit rivet board in your game is wired so plugging in the jacks one at a time and documenting the award level each one gives would be the last word. For extra credit, post the results here to see if we missed something on the schematic.

/Mark

#8 6 years ago

Hi tengle93, MarkG +
I had some look at ipdb-pictures and at Peter Inkochnito's place: http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/Gottlieb.htm - Peter says to Gottlieb Brite Star: SK389-1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 --- I look up and see the limits: 600/900/1000 points on SK-389-2 and 1200/1400/1600 points on SK359-9 (359 --- not 389 !) - hmm, but also there is a "recommended card SK389-7 telling to use for a three-ball-game the SK389-2 and for a five-ball-game the SK-359-9 - hmm-hmm. I then look at the ipdb-picture of "Brite Star" http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=378&picno=47908&zoom=1 and I believe to see 1000/1200/1500/1700 - well ...

Peter says to "Gottlieb Continental Cafe": SK359-1, 9 - but shows these SK-389-2 and SK-359-9 also. In ipdb http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=5310 is it SK369-1 (3 six 9) ? --- here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=57289&zoom=1 is it a 3 or 5 or 6 or 9 ?
Here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=57294&zoom=1 I believe to read 1000/1200/1400/1600 on a (maybe) SK359-8 ???

I look at the snippet of schematics in post-1 --- I read 1000/900/800/700/500///1200 - on the 1200: I believe that the switches "3B" and "4B" are switches on "1000 Point RELAY" - here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=10959 I see the thousands is just a number to be lit - NOT a Score-Drum.

tengle93 - please try-out and tell us what the Score-Limits are on Your Continental Cafe.
MarkG - the "numbered position on the Hundred Units and the award level are off by 1". Yes, thats normal - many Williams pins have the instructions (example: Cabaret) http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/415/Williams_1968_Cabaret_Instruction_Manual_no_schematics.pdf on page-8 (ori-6): Wire-yellow is for 3100 to 4000 points adjustment (((NOT for: 3000 to 3900 !!!).
The Replay is given when current flows to pull-in a Points-Relay - to pull-in the Score-Drum-Plunger. For us players: Points are given afterwards - when current has stopped flowing - when the retaining spring on the Score-Drum pulls back the plunger - and the plunger "tooth behind tooth" makes the Score-Drum to do the wanted step --- after current stopped flowing. Greetings Rolf

#9 6 years ago
Quoted from MarkG:

Digging a little more, I don't think the numbered positions on the Hundred Unit in the schematic correspond to points after all (e.g. the 3 position may not mean 300 points). I found the schematic for a '56 Gottlieb Register has a little more information:

On this schematic it seems that the numbered position on the Hundred Units and the award level are off by 1. So position 3 for example awards 400 points if the Maroon jack is occupied, and the 9 position awards 1000 points. Note that many of the wire colors for the adjustment jacks are the same as yours so maybe those correlate.
We may only be able to speculate how the Hundreds Unit rivet board in your game is wired so plugging in the jacks one at a time and documenting the award level each one gives would be the last word. For extra credit, post the results here to see if we missed something on the schematic.
/Mark

So here are the "extra credit (or is that credits)" results.

Exactly as they state on the schematic (listed as 10, 9, 8, 7, 5). Getting a knock/credit at 500, 700, 800, 900, 1000 with all plugs in and removing the corresponding ones gives the intended results. Weird thing was on the first try I would get a knock at those PLUS 1200-2000 at each hundred, but then was unable to repeat that (I was really saying WTF because then nothing made sense). So I'm not sure why that happened but again, this thing hasn't seen electricity in 25 years so my guess is just another dirty/corroded switch.

Quoted from rolf_martin_062:

Hi tengle93, MarkG +
I had some look at ipdb-pictures and at Peter Inkochnito's place: http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/Gottlieb.htm - Peter says to Gottlieb Brite Star: SK389-1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 --- I look up and see the limits: 600/900/1000 points on SK-389-2 and 1200/1400/1600 points on SK359-9 (359 --- not 389 !) - hmm, but also there is a "recommended card SK389-7 telling to use for a three-ball-game the SK389-2 and for a five-ball-game the SK-359-9 - hmm-hmm. I then look at the ipdb-picture of "Brite Star" http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=378&picno=47908&zoom=1 and I believe to see 1000/1200/1500/1700 - well ...
Peter says to "Gottlieb Continental Cafe": SK359-1, 9 - but shows these SK-389-2 and SK-359-9 also. In ipdb http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=5310 is it SK369-1 (3 six 9) ? --- here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=57289&zoom=1 is it a 3 or 5 or 6 or 9 ?
Here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=57294&zoom=1 I believe to read 1000/1200/1400/1600 on a (maybe) SK359-8 ???
I look at the snippet of schematics in post-1 --- I read 1000/900/800/700/500///1200 - on the 1200: I believe that the switches "3B" and "4B" are switches on "1000 Point RELAY" - here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=565&picno=10959 I see the thousands is just a number to be lit - NOT a Score-Drum.
tengle93 - please try-out and tell us what the Score-Limits are on Your Continental Cafe.
MarkG - the "numbered position on the Hundred Units and the award level are off by 1". Yes, thats normal - many Williams pins have the instructions (example: Cabaret) http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/415/Williams_1968_Cabaret_Instruction_Manual_no_schematics.pdf on page-8 (ori-6): Wire-yellow is for 3100 to 4000 points adjustment (((NOT for: 3000 to 3900 !!!).
The Replay is given when current flows to pull-in a Points-Relay - to pull-in the Score-Drum-Plunger. For us players: Points are given afterwards - when current has stopped flowing - when the retaining spring on the Score-Drum pulls back the plunger - and the plunger "tooth behind tooth" makes the Score-Drum to do the wanted step --- after current stopped flowing. Greetings Rolf

Now as far as what Rolf was talking about the proper tray cards based on what Peter's website says, it would be impossible to get those scores based on my findings. When I got the game it had this card in it (A-6482), probably not original but it may be. Supposedly the game was originally on the boardwalk in Wildwood, NJ and then was in an operator's/uncle's warehouse, then in her house. Not sure when it got banished to the screen porch to be left to rust away (take a look at the original condition in my other post about it) but I'm just going to guess it worked as labeled.

I'll keep tinkering but it seems that the results I'm getting are the only ones that make sense.

Thanks again guys.

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#10 6 years ago
Quoted from tengle93:

So here are the "extra credit (or is that credits)" results. Exactly as they state on the schematic (listed as 10, 9, 8, 7, 5). Getting a knock/credit at 500, 700, 800, 900, 1000 with all plugs in and removing the corresponding ones gives the intended results.

Thanks for the followup. I couldn't resolve how the score card in your original post would work but by ignoring it everything else seems to be consistent.

#11 6 years ago

Hi tengle93
in post-8 I wrote about "switches 3B and 4B on 'indicating thousand points Relay' " --- did You have a look in Your pin at these switches / wiring / relays - for to get rewarded with an Replay when reaching the limit of 1200 points (?). Greetings Rolf

#12 6 years ago
Quoted from tengle93:

Having a little problem understanding how I set the high score

Same problem for me. I'm following this thread. For my 1953 Flying High. Daisy chained plugs, which go into the holes, all along the bottom of the score units.

#13 6 years ago

Hi Darcy
I wonder if You have the problem AAA - Your pin does not give an replay when You plug-in ONE of the daisy-chained plugs (?)
I wonder if You have the problem BBB - problem of understanding the schematics (?)

I see You have an Abra ca Dabra pin in Your collection - here http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2&picno=68456&zoom=1 I believe to see many wires of different colors - one color might be for the range "51'000 to 60'000 points" - another wire / color is for the range "61'000 to 70'000" etc. I believe to see "orange extensions" on some of the wires - these wires with "orange extension" have TWO daisy-chained plugs (for maybe getting an replay for 51'000 and a replay for 58'000).

The very old pins have a very limited range - "100 to 1000***" - they could also have only TWO daisy-chained plugs - and the players / operators would complain ... And because only ONE range: ONE wire is sufficient.

1000*** and then exceeding into 1200 - thats what i am asking about (see post-11). Greetings Rolf

#14 6 years ago

Rolf you were right!! Must have been a dirty switch on the thousands relays, so with all plugs out I get replays at 1200, 1400, 1600. Put in the last plug (right) and get 1000 plus the others. And a bonus the thousand lights now work!

Thanks a bunch!

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