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Fixing/Reinforcing Stern Cabinets with better Leg Plates - Step By Step

By PinMonk

3 years ago


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    #201 2 years ago
    Quoted from ZfromEarth:

    My T3 machine back legs screws isn't tight. Two screw is moving in the hole. If I replace the leg bracket this will be good?
    Thanks[quoted image]

    Sounds like it's stripped, so make sure you get the correct plate (check the online pdf of the manual) and TWO NEW BOLTS. Don't try using your stripped bolts in the new plate or you'll strip that out, too.

    #202 2 years ago

    OK Thank You guys. I have original manual and a check the part number before I order.

    #203 2 years ago

    Im not very good at woodworking. But with a Pinsider help I removed front legs. Ratchet strap and the tite bond glue. Got it pretty snug. Ordering the brackets now

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    #204 2 years ago
    Quoted from billsfanmd:

    Im not very good at woodworking. But with a Pinsider help I removed front legs. Ratchet strap and the tite bond glue. Got it pretty snug. Ordering the brackets now[quoted image]

    Did the new update do that. That was one heck of an update Ghostbusters got.

    #205 2 years ago
    Quoted from Spiderpin:

    Did the new update do that. That was one heck of an update Ghostbusters got.

    Funny. Nope. This cab has been split for a year or so. Just hit motivated to fix it.

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    #206 1 year ago

    Thanks for the tips

    3 weeks later
    #207 1 year ago

    I just stumbled onto this thread and had a quick question. Is everyone pre-drilling the holes for the new screws? the 3/4" length takes me a little nervous also, but they seem to be just right. Thanks.

    #208 1 year ago
    Quoted from WhiskeyTango:

    I just stumbled onto this thread and had a quick question. Is everyone pre-drilling the holes for the new screws? the 3/4" length takes me a little nervous also, but they seem to be just right. Thanks.

    I do not predrill. The newer Stern cabinets have such crappy wood density the screw needs all the bite it can get. And if you're using the actual wood screws in the OP they're perfect.

    2 weeks later
    #209 1 year ago

    I just adding a pair of the larger leg plates to my IRMD Pro and what I noticed (quite disturbingly so) is that the front/coin door panel is made from 3/4" (9/16) plywood and the sides are made from something closer to 5/8" (7/16) plywood - appears to have two less plys
    sheesh, what cheap bastards
    anyway, be careful when using the 3/4" screws - the side panel screws will need a washer or use 5/8" screws for them
    and yes this is very soft plywood
    good thread

    #210 1 year ago
    Quoted from creepykenny:

    I just adding a pair of the larger leg plates to my IRMD Pro and what I noticed (quite disturbingly so) is that the front/coin door panel is made from 3/4" (9/16) plywood and the sides are made from something closer to 5/8" (7/16) plywood - appears to have two less plys
    sheesh, what cheap bastards
    anyway, be careful when using the 3/4" screws - the side panel screws will need a washer or use 5/8" screws for them
    and yes this is very soft plywood
    good thread

    Yeah, that's why I have the bit about checking the length of the screw against the thickness of the wood before you start. Never can tell how much thinner or crappier the Stern cabinet wood will get in the pursuit of a few more cents per unit in profits.

    #211 1 year ago

    Forgot I had already done this on my
    BM66LE, can you buy the top corner brackets that are coming out on some new Sterns or not?

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    #212 1 year ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Forgot I had already done this on my
    BM66LE, can you buy the top corner brackets that are coming out on some new Sterns or not?[quoted image][quoted image]

    If you've done the large B/W leg plates, you don't need the corner ones at the top of the cabinet edge, IMO. That's just a stopgap because Stern was using half-size reinforced leg plates for a while.

    #213 1 year ago

    Slightly off topic but will these work perfectly fine with SAM games? Not quite sure why they are Spike/Spike2 specific other than the fact they have the rubber stoppers on them, they don’t appear to actually be any different to the brackets we used to get before Stern went to those pegs!

    https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-pinball-support-slide-bracket-kit-for-spike-spike-2-machines.html

    #214 1 year ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Slightly off topic but will these work perfectly fine with SAM games? Not quite sure why they are Spike/Spike2 specific other than the fact they have the rubber stoppers on them, they don’t appear to actually be any different to the brackets we used to get before Stern went to those pegs!
    https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-pinball-support-slide-bracket-kit-for-spike-spike-2-machines.html

    "SAM system machines use a different slide bracket kit; Pinball Life #535-6862-05_set, Stern #535-6862-05"

    https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-playfield-support-slide-bracket-kit-for-sam-machines.html

    #215 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinMonk:

    "SAM system machines use a different slide bracket kit; Pinball Life #535-6862-05_set, Stern #535-6862-05"
    https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-playfield-support-slide-bracket-kit-for-sam-machines.html

    Vire could those spike ones be used on a SAM game? They appear to be the same size and length just the Spike ones have those rubber feet/bumpers on the bottom of them.

    #216 1 year ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Vire could those spike ones be used on a SAM game? They appear to be the same size and length just the Spike ones have those rubber feet/bumpers on the bottom of them.

    Unfortunately I don't know what other differences there might be. I'd email Terry at pinball life since he has both on hand and can compare head to head and offer his opinion.

    #217 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinMonk:

    Unfortunately I don't know what other differences there might be. I'd email Terry at pinball life since he has both on hand and can compare head to head and offer his opinion.

    I had an extra set meant for an iron man and compared them to my Aerosmith. The main difference is the screw holes. My Aerosmith has two dimples side by side and the SAM screws go from front to back.

    #218 1 year ago
    Quoted from WhiskeyTango:

    I had an extra set meant for an iron man and compared them to my Aerosmith. The main difference is the screw holes. My Aerosmith has two dimples side by side and the SAM screws go from front to back.

    Can you post a picture of each screw hole area? Then I can key post it so people can find it if they're curious.

    So, it sounds like it will work if you don't mind drilling 8 new holes since the orientation of the holes is different.

    #219 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinMonk:

    Can you post a picture of each screw hole area? Then I can key post it so people can find it if they're curious.
    So, it sounds like it will work if you don't mind drilling 8 new holes since the orientation of the holes is different.

    My ST Premium already has the rails, but I can post it along with my Aerosmith Pro.

    #220 1 year ago
    Quoted from WhiskeyTango:

    My ST Premium already has the rails, but I can post it along with my Aerosmith Pro.

    Yeah, basically just to show that the spike ones are not exactly the same and you'll have to drill different holes if you want to use them in a SAM game.

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    #221 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinMonk:

    Yeah, basically just to show that the spike ones are not exactly the same and you'll have to drill different holes if you want to use them in a SAM game.

    Overall size and screw hole comparison. That smaller set with side-by-side holes is for Spike.

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    #222 1 year ago
    Quoted from WhiskeyTango:

    Overall size and screw hole comparison. That smaller set with side-by-side holes is for Spike.[quoted image][quoted image]

    This is great. Thanks for posting! I key posted it!

    1 year later
    #223 8 months ago

    Another vote for this approach. Just did my AS as a preventative measure. I appreciate the detailed write-up!

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    #224 8 months ago
    Quoted from scootss:

    Another vote for this approach. Just did my AS as a preventative measure. I appreciate the detailed write-up![quoted image]

    One down 3 to go. It sure does help. Peace of mind if nothing else.

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    #225 6 months ago

    For those of you who are using the Stern plates, the holes don't take #10 screws. I had to use #8.

    #226 6 months ago
    Quoted from TimMachine:

    For those of you who are using the Stern plates, the holes don't take #10 screws. I had to use #8.

    Moral of the story, don't use Stern plates. The B/W ones are better. If you have Stern onhand, okay, but if you're buying brackets, get the superior B/W ones.

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    #227 6 months ago

    I believe newer sterns have these brackets already installed? I dont see any issues with my new sterns.
    Unless I am missing anything?

    #228 6 months ago
    Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

    I believe newer sterns have these brackets already installed? I dont see any issues with my new sterns.
    Unless I am missing anything?

    Newer Sterns now have a slightly upgraded stubby bracket that reinforces the seam. It's less than the full-length B/W bracket, but much better than the little metal strip they were using when I made this guide and they had just started shipping cabs with the cheaper, softer wood that couldn't hold the tension and were splitting a the seams.

    1 month later
    #229 5 months ago
    Quoted from PinMonk:

    Newer Sterns now have a slightly upgraded stubby bracket that reinforces the seam. It's less than the full-length B/W bracket, but much better than the little metal strip they were using when I made this guide and they had just started shipping cabs with the cheaper, softer wood that couldn't hold the tension and were splitting a the seams.

    I have a new Stern on order. Is the upgrade still necessary do you think?

    #230 5 months ago
    Quoted from Drac:

    I have a new Stern on order. Is the upgrade still necessary do you think?

    I wouldn't say they're NECESSARY on more recent sterns because they're using a more robust corner bracket that is like 2/3 the size of a Williams/Bally one. However, the Williams/Bally one will be more robust long-term just because the bracket itself is more heavy duty and has more screw points attaching it to the cabinet.

    1 month later
    #231 3 months ago
    Quoted from Drac:

    I have a new Stern on order. Is the upgrade still necessary do you think?

    Keep in mind that this approach was started because a certain generation/era of Stern games (circa 2017) were showing cabinet issues. You don't see people complaining about the issue with current games, so it doesn't seem necessary for NIBs at this point.

    3 months later
    #232 3 days ago

    Getting a used Maiden soon and wondering what brackets I will end up with... I'm kind of amazed Stern thought they could use those tiny things. This is what you get in the $749 Atgames legends vpin. It's a much smaller, lighter cabinet too.

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    #233 3 days ago
    Quoted from Anony:

    Getting a used Maiden soon and wondering what brackets I will end up with... I'm kind of amazed Stern thought they could use those tiny things. This is what you get in the $749 Atgames legends vpin. It's a much smaller, lighter cabinet too.[quoted image]

    I'm betting you'll want to replace what comes on the Maiden.

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