Fixing/Reinforcing Stern Cabinets with better Leg Plates - Step By Step

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Fixing/Reinforcing Stern Cabinets with better Leg Plates - Step By Step


By vireland

3 months ago



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    #101 63 days ago
    Quoted from D-Gottlieb:

    Go ahead and do them.

    Like we need your permission. Were talking about a Stern game here, not Gottlieb. You should do it for your Star Wars, and you can do the front too. No one needs to know, it can be your little secret.

    #102 63 days ago

    Is everyone thinking the better leg plates is all that is needed? I've seen some folks putting L brackets in near the top of the cab corners, also.

    #103 63 days ago
    Quoted from treborlicec:

    Is everyone thinking the better leg plates is all that is needed? I've seen some folks putting L brackets in near the top of the cab corners, also.

    It's up to you. Personally I just did the leg plates and feel they are adequate on their own. Some extra L brackets up top are cheap additional protection if you feel so inclined.

    #104 63 days ago
    Quoted from treborlicec:

    Is everyone thinking the better leg plates is all that is needed? I've seen some folks putting L brackets in near the top of the cab corners, also.

    Here is what I did on my games, I used 3/4” wood screws with washers. The brackets are available at Home Depot.
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    #105 63 days ago
    Quoted from treborlicec:

    Is everyone thinking the better leg plates is all that is needed? I've seen some folks putting L brackets in near the top of the cab corners, also.

    Since most of the torque that causes the split is coming up from the legs IMO, the B/W bracket is enough to arrest the problem. None of the ones I've upgraded have even a crack, let alone a split, and one of them has a divot in the cement flooring that holds the leg in place and causes extra tension when players try to nudge aggressively. Even that one has not had a problem.

    #106 63 days ago
    Quoted from Concretehardt:

    Here is what I did on my games, I used 3/4” wood screws with washers. The brackets are available at Home Depot.

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    Slotted screws! Wow

    #107 63 days ago
    Quoted from DNO:

    Slotted screws! Wow

    Didn’t feel like ordering screws and no one in town carried the Philip’s head in this style of screw, they actually worked really well.

    #108 63 days ago
    Quoted from Concretehardt:

    Didn’t feel like ordering screws and no one in town carried the Philip’s head in this style of screw, they actually worked really well.

    Yeah... I would've sold the game as firewood, before using slotted screws. Why those screws are even still being made, is a mystery to me.

    #109 63 days ago
    Quoted from Timerider:

    Why those screws are even still being made, is a mystery to me.

    Slotted screw = cost cutting
    ...damn Stern

    #110 63 days ago

    Slotted screws are so 1940's

    Quoted from DNO:Slotted screw = cost cutting
    ...damn Stern

    #111 62 days ago
    Quoted from treborlicec:

    Is everyone thinking the better leg plates is all that is needed? I've seen some folks putting L brackets in near the top of the cab corners, also.

    I went 3 levels of support!

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    #112 62 days ago

    Step 1:
    Don't buy anything from Stern.

    #113 62 days ago
    Quoted from Pinzzz:

    I went 3 levels of support!

    You should be good for a 5.5 earthquake or a shaker gone wild.

    #114 61 days ago

    Nevermind.

    #115 61 days ago

    I also posted this on the other cab issue thread:

    I talked to Chas yesterday he told me they have several cabinet manufacturers that they buy from, one of their cab suppliers was doing something different and only cabs from that Manufacture have an intermittent issue. Stern is aware of the issue and know where the cabs were coming from. It sounds like they have taken steps to correct the issue with the MFG. one last note I was worried that if I did the Williams brackets in my games and still had a problem that it would potentially void my warranty, Chas told me he/Stern was fine with it if I wanted to install the Williams brackets. Chas says his big headache is not a random cabinet failure it’s people putting 6 and 12 way power splitters on their games and frying something then calling him to sort it out.

    #116 61 days ago

    He sounds like a reasonable kind of guy. Does he prefer people go through their distributors first before calling directly or is okay with being the contact?

    #117 61 days ago

    How would I find out what manufacture mine came from?

    #118 61 days ago

    Put the brackets on and sleep better.

    #119 61 days ago
    Quoted from D-Gottlieb:

    He sounds like a reasonable kind of guy. Does he prefer people go through their distributors first before calling directly or is okay with being the contact?

    He's always been ready to help when I've called. He has never said "You should have called your distro first."

    #120 57 days ago

    A friend and I put plates on the front legs of my IMDN, MET and GOTG. Thanks for the reminder and info Vireland.

    While we worked and played my friend and I concluded Stern makes wonky decisions sometimes but their games are awesome and paying $10 and 10 minutes a game for protection is better than spending thousands more for a pin with a more solid cab from another company.

    #121 57 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    He's always been ready to help when I've called. He has never said "You should have called your distro first."

    Chas is the BEST. A great asset to Stern.

    #122 57 days ago

    Love hearing Chas’s voice. Comforting.

    #123 50 days ago

    Thank you vireland for the motivation and the tips. Money well spent in my book. Even went a step further and replaced the plastic outer cabinet corners as they were pulling in and distorting during my upgrade.

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    #124 50 days ago
    Quoted from hd60609:

    Thank you vireland for the motivation and the tips. Money well spent in my book. Even went a step further and replaced the plastic outer cabinet corners as they were pulling in and distorting during my upgrade.
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    The metal standoffs are certainly nicer and more durable than the plastic ones.

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    #125 34 days ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    screw it into the leg plate.

    Thanks for taking the time to make/post this super helpful tutorial.

    Quick question: do you recommend drilling pilot holes before screwing the mounting screws into the cab' walls? It appears you did not on this IMDN. Are virtually all wood screws in pinball machines installed *without* pilot holes? And if that's true, are pilot holes contraindicated? Like, will a pilot hole actually compromise the hold of the screw? I've had screws that hold things like lamp sockets to the bottom of the PF pull their way free, as if the threads were forced to bite in sawdust rather than in true, dense wood. I figure I'm only gonna get one shot at this, so I want to do it right.

    #126 34 days ago
    Quoted from Jason_Jehosaphat:

    Thanks for taking the time to make/post this super helpful tutorial.
    Quick question: do you recommend drilling pilot holes before screwing the mounting screws into the cab' walls? It appears you did not on this IMDN. Are virtually all wood screws in pinball machines installed *without* pilot holes? And if that's true, are pilot holes contraindicated? Like, will a pilot hole actually compromise the hold of the screw? I've had screws that hold things like lamp sockets to the bottom of the PF pull their way free, as if the threads were forced to bite in sawdust rather than in true, dense wood. I figure I'm only gonna get one shot at this, so I want to do it right.

    The cabinet sides are plywood, so they have decent bite and still give (compared to pressboard or particle board). No need to pilot hole in it for smaller screws.

    Holes get enlarged with multiple cycles. For your PF screw, just put a toothpick with glue on it in the hole and remount your piece.

    #127 34 days ago
    Quoted from Jason_Jehosaphat:

    Thanks for taking the time to make/post this super helpful tutorial.
    Quick question: do you recommend drilling pilot holes before screwing the mounting screws into the cab' walls? It appears you did not on this IMDN. Are virtually all wood screws in pinball machines installed *without* pilot holes? And if that's true, are pilot holes contraindicated? Like, will a pilot hole actually compromise the hold of the screw? I've had screws that hold things like lamp sockets to the bottom of the PF pull their way free, as if the threads were forced to bite in sawdust rather than in true, dense wood. I figure I'm only gonna get one shot at this, so I want to do it right.

    No. The current Stern cabinet wood is REALLY soft (likely why splitting happens more often now). No pilot holes helps you get maximum bite. You definitely don't want to overtighten the screws and make sawdust.

    #128 33 days ago
    Quoted from Jason_Jehosaphat:

    Are virtually all wood screws in pinball machines installed *without* pilot holes?

    They just have a small dimple, then the factory workers just start the screws where the dimples line up. Not sure if the cabinet has dimples, my guess would be no.

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    #129 3 days ago

    Evidence that Dead Pool pro has the better support brackets in the cabs on the line...

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    #130 3 days ago

    As much as Stern is jacking up prices we deserve a 50 cent bracket upgrade bone tossed our way.

    #131 3 days ago
    Quoted from Pinzzz:

    Evidence that Dead Pool pro has the better support brackets in the cabs on the line...[quoted image][quoted image]

    Crappier than the B/W brackets, but WAY better than what they had before. So smallclap for progress (and boo on another price increase).

    #132 1 hour ago

    The Bally/WMS brackets don't seem to fit great in my Maiden. There's gaps on both sides. Is this what others are seeing too?

    #133 1 hour ago

    No issues with GOTG.

    #134 1 hour ago

    Here's a picture with one side up flush against the cabinet. The other side has a large gap. If I center it the gap is on both sides.

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    #135 9 minutes ago

    Put the legs bolts in first and get them tight. Then screw in the sides. It should draw in the brackets to the cabinet.

    #136 6 minutes ago

    Plus don't forget to remove the old Stern brackets first. Looks like they are still in place. Looking at picture

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