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Reducing Arcing on Early SS Pin Flipper EOS and Cabinet Switches

By Pecos

4 years ago


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#2 4 years ago

Bally flipper coils are parallel wound, just like the later Williams flipper coils. I unspooled one of them to verify this - there are 2 separate coil windings in the coil, with the hold coil first, then the primary coil closest to the bobbin. So any benefit to the flipper cap WMS uses will benefit the Bally cap as well.

#7 4 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

I thought the caps on williams were because they were 50V and not 25V, and the higher voltage increased arcing to the point where the caps were needed... Where did you see the parallel stuff?
I can confirm though, that even on a gottlieb (25V, presumably series wound?) that adding caps to the EOS does reduce arcing and EMI

Well, Bally/Stern coils are 43 volts so not that much less than Williams.

The parallel winding on Bally coils I unwound one myself. They are 2 separate coils on the same bobbin, hence why they also have 4 wires to 3 terminals, and 2 diodes. Just like Williams later patented (great that people can patent preexisting tech). The info about parallel vs. series was from Clay's old guides/videos - he made one where he put the caps on the series wound and said it didn't decrease arcing, but in the video you can plainly see that it did.

I don't have a large problem with the pitting so I don't really worry about it on games that originally didn't have them.

#9 4 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

So it seems that it helps even on series wound 25v?

Apparently. I guess in an arcade or heavy play situation it might be good to have.

I guess the theory is that a back EMF spark is a back EMF spark it doesn't really matter what kind of coil it comes from either will wear away the EOS contact.

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from Pecos:

I plan to somehow attach the caps to the EOS switch with zip ties, silicone or ???

Most people solder them on

The EOS bracket was originally taller to accommodate zip tying the cap to it, with a couple holes drilled in it to hold the zip tie. As noted, no resistors were used so it will be interesting to see what comes of your experiment with them.

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