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Recreating 1935 Genco Flying Colors

By longtemps1

4 years ago


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    #1 4 years ago

    I just joined Pinside, have been playing pinball since I was in single digits and collecting (is two machines a collection?) for about 18 years. The machines I grew up with were mostly manufactured in the 50s and 60s, but the internet has introduced me to the pre-war era and it is refreshing to find so many varied ideas had been born in such a short span of years.

    A couple of years ago, Mike Hasanov’s Youtube video led me to begin a project recreating the 1935 Flying Colors machine. My measurements for the recreation have been based on that single video, a handful of photos and scant published information online. Where I am completely in the dark is in what’s happening under the playfield. I could find ways of accomplishing the same functionality, but would love to know how the manufacturer did it.

    I have broken down the project into three sections: putting together the playfield (game play), putting together the coin, ball and plunger mechanicals and getting the looks close (graphics and cabinet). Getting the game play right is first priority and I have enough photos to get the aesthetics close. That leaves the complete void of my knowledge of the original under playfield mechanicals.

    This is a call to all past and present owners of this machine, for under-playfield photos and any other documentation on the mechanics of the Genco Flying Colors machine. It would be immeasurably valuable for my project.

    Thanks.

    A start:

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    #2 4 years ago

    Interesting project-- good luck!

    #3 4 years ago

    very cool. would love to do something like this.

    #4 4 years ago

    Very Cool!! If you have access to Dick Beuschel's Pinball Encyclopedias there may be some useful info in there...PBR sells them - they've been on sale for much cheaper for a while now since people buying books is a diminishing activity.

    I'll look in my copies if I remember to see if there's anything about this particular game, but more likely there's a section about the manufacturer, and hopefully that era the game is from. I haven't finished reading my copies yet, or else I might know more...but there are design drafts of other machines and diagrams, and maybe there's one in there close enough to this game that could help.

    Of course finding an owner of that game, or one from around the same time, would work best.

    #5 4 years ago

    I would expect that the Coin Push takes care of the Tilt, and the plate movement for the balls to go into a Trough with a large plate push up for all Balls.
    Not much else.

    I dont recall seeing this game, or being asked to research, as I helped Dick with this Time period when he was working on his books.

    Hopefully someone might have an underside picture or one close enough in period for the tilt and plate. The ball lift should be a standard version just elongated for all balls.

    (Jim and Jeff here on the boards have outstanding collections...and from other games, I think you could replicate the actions needed pretty well)

    Awesome effort on a neat game!

    (The Tilt mech does pop up on Ebay every so often)

    #6 4 years ago

    Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.

    Studying the video, yes, the coin push would reset the tilt, also drain the balls and maybe cock the “automatic” plunger (the ball lifter might alternatively power this last action). Is anyone aware of any other Genco machines from this era using this “automatic” plunger mechanism?

    I noticed, looking frame by frame of the video, that the ball lifter pushes all the balls onto the shooting lane simultaneously, so its extra length must be front to back rather than side to side. I wonder if there is some sort of randomization/shuffling of the balls during either the draining action or the lifting, given the nature of the game play.

    By the way, this is intended to be a reproduction using all modern materials, nothing vintage but the design. For example, the two “castings” shown in the photo, the tilt mech cup and instructions frame, were both 3-D printed.

    #7 4 years ago

    There would be a funnel shape Trough under the plate where the balls dropped, before they lined up and filled the lift, this should randomize the balls.
    Springs pull the p;ate closed, and return the manual lift to a load in position.
    However, I havent had a Genco earlier than 1937.

    Did you see info on what you are describing as an "automatic"? I am curious too!

    (You can Find these on Ebay, for $10-$20, and modify with a five ball plate.)

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    #8 4 years ago

    Billboard ad for the machine, touting the NEW “Automatic Plunger”. Another ad calls it Genco’s first machine with this feature, perhaps also its last

    Wish I’d been around to get one at that price!

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    #9 4 years ago

    Heres the Standard Manufacturing and GM versions

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    #10 4 years ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    [ball lift images]

    Nice images.

    Note that the description you posted goes with the bingo style ball lifter that uses an electric motor. The description for the manual ball lifter in the first image is at https://www.funwithpinball.com/exhibits/small-boards-page-2#BallLifter

    /Mark

    #11 4 years ago
    Quoted from way2wyrd:

    Heres the Standard Manufacturing and GM versions[quoted image][quoted image]

    I'm unclear on what the objectives are for these two. Can you explain?

    (Sorry to get off track).

    longtemps1 , I don't have the automatic ball lift, but if you need any photos from my 1935 Criss Cross a Lite that might be help for cabinet making, etc. please feel free to ask.

    #12 4 years ago
    Quoted from drsfmd:

    longtemps1 , I don't have the automatic ball lift, but if you need any photos from my 1935 Criss Cross a Lite that might be help for cabinet making, etc. please feel free to ask.

    Photos showing the coin mech linkage to the tilt reset and showing the ball drain and entire ball lifter mech would be great!! It is the plunger that is automatic and probably super rare. I plan to get the game play tweaked using a regular plunger and worry about automation later.

    #13 4 years ago
    Quoted from drsfmd:

    I'm unclear on what the objectives are for these two. Can you explain?

    Pretty much its get the colored marbles in the proper finishing color spots.

    Payouts based on how many you match

    --Jeff

    3 months later
    #14 4 years ago

    Howdy,

    I actually am the owner of the one in the video (now without the strange purple ball lol)

    Here are shots of the interior. Hope they are of some help. If anyone is interested in purchasing this, I am always open to offers (located in PA, USA)

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