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Rebuilding sound for DataEast & WPC using a pi

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#1951 1 year ago
Quoted from Bakchos:

Some pictures in the machine.
The volume pot in the bottom of the cab is not responding, the tilt audio board is the only thing controlling volume, is this normal behavior?

Im curious about this as well... My lethal weapon 3 can only be adjusted from the onboard volume control instead of the cabinet pot and its super annoying but i figured it was normal function.

#1952 1 year ago
Quoted from chillme:

Yes, that's really the only way to confirm and update the sound pack as needed on the tilt card.
For your 4.01 game rom did it come with new sounds roms?

My baywatch came with new code already installed and I didn't get the old rom chips with it.

I think it's only CPU rom that is changed

#1953 1 year ago
Quoted from SlapDrain:

Im curious about this as well... My lethal weapon 3 can only be adjusted from the onboard volume control instead of the cabinet pot and its super annoying but i figured it was normal function.

From the Tilt page, the release notes for 2.0 has this note.

https://tiltaudio.com/tag/new/

"Improved remote volume control (for DataEast)

Cabinet pot is now read via a real analog to digital converter that talks to the raspberry pi via i2c, so TILT!Audio can adjust audio volume very precisely."

Maybe watch the live log while adjusting.

#1954 1 year ago
Quoted from chillme:

a Pi3b is fine, thats what I use. if you try the pi4 you need to image the card.

what do you mean "image the card" ?

i flashed a fresh image on Pi4 and i get 4 long flash and 4 short flash, that means incompatible acording to pi4 documentation

#1955 1 year ago

So I did a test with the stock rom version 4.0 on my baywatch.

Same behavior. Nothing is making sense on the callouts.

So I think either the altsound is messed up or this system really can't talk to Sega system i have.

On my wpc party zone it works perfectly.

#1956 1 year ago

i added a ground wire from the ground plates on the screw holes, cause when using the larger mounting holes, there is no ground trace, so i thought that could be a problem, but it did not change behavior.

I did a test with the ribbon cable completely out of the wire looms, to make sure it didn't get interference,
no changes, same behavior,

i took out the plastic headers on the WPC and the DE ribbon connectors to see if there was some hidden trace shortings under it, and nope all good
i did check with a multimeter before but wanted to be sure.

So what next ?
can i bad blackpill board do that mixed-up effects ?
i am about to order a new blackpill board but i'm not sure i want to invest more money in it if it's not working.

i might just get a (damn expensive) pinsound board, but i am afraid the problem is my machine and not the board....

but i guess if the problem was my machine, it would not work with stock soundboard..

hummm, hard decision here

#1957 1 year ago
Quoted from Bakchos:

i added a ground wire from the ground plates on the screw holes, cause when using the larger mounting holes, there is no ground trace, so i thought that could be a problem, but it did not change behavior.
I did a test with the ribbon cable completely out of the wire looms, to make sure it didn't get interference,
no changes, same behavior,
i took out the plastic headers on the WPC and the DE ribbon connectors to see if there was some hidden trace shortings under it, and nope all good
i did check with a multimeter before but wanted to be sure.
So what next ?
can i bad blackpill board do that mixed-up effects ?
i am about to order a new blackpill board but i'm not sure i want to invest more money in it if it's not working.
i might just get a (damn expensive) pinsound board, but i am afraid the problem is my machine and not the board....
but i guess if the problem was my machine, it would not work with stock soundboard..
hummm, hard decision here

#1958 1 year ago
Quoted from Bakchos:

i added a ground wire from the ground plates on the screw holes, cause when using the larger mounting holes, there is no ground trace, so i thought that could be a problem, but it did not change behavior.
I did a test with the ribbon cable completely out of the wire looms, to make sure it didn't get interference,
no changes, same behavior,
i took out the plastic headers on the WPC and the DE ribbon connectors to see if there was some hidden trace shortings under it, and nope all good
i did check with a multimeter before but wanted to be sure.
So what next ?
can i bad blackpill board do that mixed-up effects ?
i am about to order a new blackpill board but i'm not sure i want to invest more money in it if it's not working.
i might just get a (damn expensive) pinsound board, but i am afraid the problem is my machine and not the board....
but i guess if the problem was my machine, it would not work with stock soundboard..
hummm, hard decision here

Forgive me if this is a stupid question - did you check the orientation on the ribbon cable from the MPU to the Tilt Audio board?
I.e. if red wire is positioned on pin 1 on the MPU board, it should also be positioned on pin 1 on the sound board?

#1959 1 year ago
Quoted from Zigzagzag:

Forgive me if this is a stupid question - did you check the orientation on the ribbon cable from the MPU to the Tilt Audio board?
I.e. if red wire is positioned on pin 1 on the MPU board, it should also be positioned on pin 1 on the sound board?

Yep, I did try to flip it.
When it's not in the correct position, no sound plays at all

#1960 1 year ago

Update

I received a new black pill from Amazon this morning.

Swapped the black pill and now it works

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#1961 1 year ago
Quoted from Bakchos:

Update
I received a new black pill from Amazon this morning.
Removed old one and installed new one.
Looks like the pi is not flashing the new black pill, I only get a red light when booting, no blue light.
Can I get the firmware somwhere and flash it to the black pill myself?
Or force the pi to flash it?
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If I remember correctly the Pi stores a setting if the pill has been flashed.
So if you put in a new pill you will have to start with a newly formatted SD-card image.
... or SSH into the Pi and change the setting there, can't remember what or how, though.

#1962 1 year ago
Quoted from Zigzagzag:

If I remember correctly the Pi stores a setting if the pill has been flashed.
So if you put in a new pill you will have to start with a newly formatted SD-card image.
... or SSH into the Pi and change the setting there, can't remember what or how, though.

Here it is : https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rebuilding-sound-for-de-jurassic-park-using-a-pi/page/33#post-6345708

#1963 1 year ago

Thanks, I reflashed the card and it worked.

Thanks for all your help.

Just sucks I had all that troubles because of a bad black pill board

#1964 1 year ago

which part of the tilt audio is the amplifier?
I heard that if you put a subwoofer speaker too powerfull for the amp, it could blow the amp, did anyone ever have trouble with this?
I'm a little scared of adding a subwoofer speaker in the cabinet because of this.
Thanks.

#1965 1 year ago

here's a picture of the board, with the x2 amplifiers pointed out. I had the tilt in my funhouse and it has a subwoofer. Didn't have an issue. But the amps don't really have a lot of power to provide a punch. If you want good based you would need a self powered subwoofer.
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#1966 1 year ago
Quoted from chillme:

here's a picture of the board, with the x2 amplifiers pointed out. I had the tilt in my funhouse and it has a subwoofer. Didn't have an issue. But the amps don't really have a lot of power to provide a punch. If you want good based you would need a self powered subwoofer.
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Thanks, so the Tilt Audio board is more for a better crisper sound than it is for a loud pumping sound, right?
Am I better off keeping the original speakers then?

#1967 1 year ago
Quoted from chillme:

If you want good based you would need a self powered subwoofer.
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chillme Do you run the backbox speakers with the onboard amp and the powered sub off of the Pi audio jack at the same time?

#1968 1 year ago
Quoted from GILV:

Thanks, so the Tilt Audio board is more for a better crisper sound than it is for a loud pumping sound, right?
Am I better off keeping the original speakers then?

You can also install a DSP on it that allows you to have low pass and high pass filters based on range of the speakers you are using.

#1969 1 year ago

I installed the TiltAudio board into my T2, configured it for WPC, can hear the start up version call out, can hear audio when triggered from the web interface, but I cannot get audio from the game to work. I know the ribbon cable worked because I had a working sound board before. Thought on what to check?

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#1970 1 year ago

Got it working. Not sure what Made it happen other than rebooting a number of times.

One thing of note in the assembly instructions that is not clear, you need to solder the STM32 programming header to the board. Mine included a right angle connector which was wrong.

#1971 1 year ago
Quoted from AD72:

chillme Do you run the backbox speakers with the onboard amp and the powered sub off of the Pi audio jack at the same time?

I was using the tilt in my funhouse, so stock back box speakers with the stock cabinet woofer.

If you wanted to pull the audio, you would want to use the audio jack on the DAC.

1 week later
#1972 1 year ago

What are the different audio devices? The descriptions are a bit confusing. I do have the backbox speakers working out of the WPC connectors currently but want to set up a powered sub as well out through the 1/8" jack on the DSP.

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#1973 1 year ago

Are these still available to buy in the U.S.? I went to Charlie's website but it's out of stock. Thanks.

#1974 1 year ago
Quoted from toberlindacher:

Are these still available to buy in the U.S.? I went to Charlie's website but it's out of stock. Thanks.

Send a message to Charlie. He let me know when he had parts together for a kit.

3 months later
#1975 10 months ago

the Altsound files inside the microsd card must be placed inside a subfolder (named same as the rom) inside Data\Sound\[ROM NAME] or must me copied all just inside Data\Sound folder\" all files from the Altsound package" ?

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#1976 10 months ago

Hello EveryBody

I am Marc from Europe, and I would like to present to you on what I am working on.

- Universal Driver Board 8995
- TiltAudio 95 (a pcb that merge a tiltaudio and dmd89)

Have a nice day.

#1977 10 months ago
Quoted from speriator:

Hello EveryBody
I am Marc from Europe, and I would like to present to you on what I am working on.
- Universal Driver Board 8995
- TiltAudio 95 (a pcb that merge a tiltaudio and dmd89)

Have a nice day.

Interesting. Is the driver board and/or tiltaudio 95 something that is open source, something you have developed for your own needs, something that is possible to buy now or something that will be possible to buy 9 months from now ....?

#1978 10 months ago

it is originally more of a personal challenge. I have the complete collection of 43 WPCs (I only miss the safe cracker) that I restored myself for 6 years. My goal has always been to make this collection available to the competition, and the constant stress in a project like this is to have the electronics working perfectly, without resetting. I no longer trust the old driver board repaired 1000 times, with an obsolete design.

As I am an electronics, I thought about the objective I wanted to achieve:

A universal driver card to avoid having 2 different models.
Switching power supplies for 5V and 12V to avoid heating.
Mosfet transistors.
A general illumination revised without the triacs which restores the gradation on the general illumination. the goal is the elimination of zerocross.
A goal to be able to operate the WPCs without a transfo, because I have seen too many pinball machines transformed into medieval madness because of the search for the transfo.
An expansion slot to add an expansion card on the driver to simplify the control center for modding.

Make a plug&play AV95 sound card that replaces the original WPC sound card because the components have become almost impossible to find, and they have to be put in the drawers, at least that's my goal for my AUDIO cards because many components are obsolete or very expensive.

Everything must be easily repairable, no SMD only through-hole, with standard components, mounted on a support, with the diagrams and computer code not closed (I do not check the tiltaudio code, however)

The driver card is in its 3rd prototype, and I ran 10 cards during the competitions I organized for 3 days with zero problems /

The tiltaudio95 card is in its first prototype, but not mastering the source code myself, it is more difficult for debugging. It works perfectly on the medieval, but I have problems with the AFM

My target is rather the people who make copies of the WPC, and who seek all the electronic cards for a reasonable cost.

I'm working full time on them to finish the project quickly and be able to put them on sale.

Well, I don't know if I was clear because I used googletrad

#1979 10 months ago
Quoted from speriator:

My target is rather the people who make copies of the WPC, and who seek all the electronic cards for a reasonable cost.
I'm working full time on them to finish the project quickly and be able to put them on sale.

Impressive! Let us know when you have something for sale. I have a Congo and am reasonably well experienced in electronics and programming if you need help testing things.

#1980 10 months ago
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#1981 10 months ago

I would really like to know if anyone has ever tried tiltaudio with a simple dmd89 card instead of the original AV95 card. as much as I manage to make it work on MM, as much on the AFM and the JY, it does not work. I have the impression that the CPU is waiting for a command confirmation from the sound card that the tiltaudio does not send, and therefore the cpu is constantly retrying. Perhaps the parallel presence of the original AV95 card hides the bug, because it sends the responses itself. I see no other explanation.

maybe i miss something.

2021-01-27 10:41:29.382 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1530] loaded music from '/boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg' loop=1
2021-01-27 10:41:29.385 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1553] Playing Music id=2(0x0002), 'main_theme:0' gain:50, from /boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg
2021-01-27 10:41:29.385 DEBUG SndServi [getVolumeForSample] [sdl_sound.c:1058] getVolumeForSample: sample->gain: 50, gainByType: 50, res: 35
2021-01-27 10:41:29.385 DEBUG SndServi [setMusicVolume] [sdl_sound.c:529] setMusicVolume to 35 (musicVol=35, ducking=100)
2021-01-27 10:41:33.295 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.296 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:309] wpc cmd 00001 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.297 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00, id: 0
2021-01-27 10:41:33.468 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.503 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00001 085 0x55 01010101 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:33.504 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00002 170 0xaa 10101010 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:33.505 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00003 071 0x47 01000111 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:33.506 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00004 184 0xb8 10111000 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:33.506 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x55 0xaa 0x47 0xb8, id: 85
2021-01-27 10:41:33.506 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2071] Setting volume to 71
2021-01-27 10:41:33.506 DEBUG SndServi [setVolume] [sdl_sound.c:335] volume: 35
2021-01-27 10:41:33.506 INFO SndServi [minidisplay_setText] [minidisplay.c:93] print 0,40: 'M: WPCDCS V: 35 '
2021-01-27 10:41:33.520 DEBUG MiniDSer [miniDisplayHandler] [minidisplay.c:114] processing message 'M: WPCDCS V: 35 '
2021-01-27 10:41:33.590 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.591 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:309] wpc cmd 00001 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.591 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00, id: 0
2021-01-27 10:41:33.592 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.593 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00001 002 0x02 00000010 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.593 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00, id: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:33.594 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1530] loaded music from '/boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg' loop=1
2021-01-27 10:41:33.598 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1553] Playing Music id=2(0x0002), 'main_theme:0' gain:50, from /boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg
2021-01-27 10:41:33.598 DEBUG SndServi [getVolumeForSample] [sdl_sound.c:1058] getVolumeForSample: sample->gain: 50, gainByType: 50, res: 35
2021-01-27 10:41:33.598 DEBUG SndServi [setMusicVolume] [sdl_sound.c:529] setMusicVolume to 35 (musicVol=35, ducking=100)
2021-01-27 10:41:37.509 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.510 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:309] wpc cmd 00001 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.510 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00, id: 0
2021-01-27 10:41:37.682 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.717 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00001 085 0x55 01010101 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:37.717 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00002 170 0xaa 10101010 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:37.719 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00003 071 0x47 01000111 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:37.719 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00004 184 0xb8 10111000 len: 4
2021-01-27 10:41:37.719 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x55 0xaa 0x47 0xb8, id: 85
2021-01-27 10:41:37.720 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2071] Setting volume to 71
2021-01-27 10:41:37.720 DEBUG SndServi [setVolume] [sdl_sound.c:335] volume: 35
2021-01-27 10:41:37.720 INFO SndServi [minidisplay_setText] [minidisplay.c:93] print 0,40: 'M: WPCDCS V: 35 '
2021-01-27 10:41:37.722 DEBUG MiniDSer [miniDisplayHandler] [minidisplay.c:114] processing message 'M: WPCDCS V: 35 '
2021-01-27 10:41:37.804 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.805 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:309] wpc cmd 00001 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.805 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00, id: 0
2021-01-27 10:41:37.805 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00000 000 0x00 00000000 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.807 DEBUG isr wpc [wdenInterrupt] [pincom.c:355] wpc cmd 00001 002 0x02 00000010 len: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.807 DEBUG isr wpc [soundWpcHandler] [sdl_sound.c:2062] wpcSoundHandler cmd: 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00, id: 2
2021-01-27 10:41:37.808 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1530] loaded music from '/boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg' loop=1
2021-01-27 10:41:37.812 DEBUG SndServi [playMusicWithFadeInAndPos] [sdl_sound.c:1553] Playing Music id=2(0x0002), 'main_theme:0' gain:50, from /boot/data/sound/jy_12/0x0002-main_theme.ogg
2021-01-27 10:41:37.812 DEBUG SndServi [getVolumeForSample] [sdl_sound.c:1058] getVolumeForSample: sample->gain: 50, gainByType: 50, res: 35
2021-01-27 10:41:37.812 DEBUG SndServi [setMusicVolume] [sdl_sound.c:529] setMusicVolume to 35 (musicVol=35, ducking=100)
2021-01-27 10:41:40.500 DEBUG MHD-sing [requestHandler] [httpservice.c:2103] url: /raspin.log, method: GET, version: HTTP/1.1, connCtx: 0x0000
2021-01-27 10:41:40.500 INFO MHD-sing [handleLogFileRequest] [httpservice.c:1796] request for logfile

#1982 10 months ago

TiltAudio does not write back to the CPU - ref. missing flipper movement at end-of-game music in TAF.
There are apparently differences in the DMD board as well, see this for example : https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.pinball/c/oy5Jco1-QBM
So I'm not sure the DMD89 will work out-of-the-box in a WPC95 setup?

2 weeks later
#1983 9 months ago

Selling a set of three older Tilt Audio boards. They each have RPi 3 Model A+ boards installed and each one had a license key purchased from Tilt Audio. Besides the three boards there are a bunch of spare parts (amps, power modules, chips, etc). It has been a while since I have messed with these so for anyone getting them I would recommend saving off the license files and then start over with the latest code. Each of the RPi should have a Sandisk 16GB card installed.

V2.5c board - Setup for Data East machines. Has different power module installed. Recommend going back to the original style (which is included) or just bypass that and use the normal DE power.

V2.5d board - Setup for Data East machines. Not sure of the status of this one. Would need to start from the beginning and check everything.

V3.1 board - Setup for Bally/Williams WPC type machines. Was going to use in Dr Who but decided to just keep the original audio board in that and not deal with rewiring it for Stereo.

Looking to get $225 shipped (within the US) for everything. Consider these project boards to experiment on. Send a PM if interested.

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#1984 7 months ago

I now have 3 of these They work great and many thanks to Steve and others for all their hard work.

I can confirm all 3 boards work on robocop back to the future turtles star wars and jurassic park. Including the volume control.

My only thing is my pins are too far away from my router so I can't use my WiFi. Which Is fine as the pi creates a hot spot. But all 3 make the same hot spot ssid and ip address and i can only see them as a single connection. I dont know how to change them. Does anyone know how to solve this?

Cheers

#1985 7 months ago
Quoted from Dovey79:

I now have 3 of these They work great and many thanks to Steve and others for all their hard work.
I can confirm all 3 boards work on robocop back to the future turtles star wars and jurassic park. Including the volume control.
My only thing is my pins are too far away from my router so I can't use my WiFi. Which Is fine as the pi creates a hot spot. But all 3 make the same hot spot ssid and ip address and i can only see them as a single connection. I dont know how to change them. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Cheers

Please could you elaborate on the Robocop installation, what are the limitations/potential of using this while pinsound is still unavailable?
Thanks

#1986 7 months ago

Hey all, the LM2596 on my board blew out the other day so I ordered a replacement. Just wanted to confirm that the incoming power is ~30v and the output should be dialed in to 12v is that all correct? Thanks.

#1987 7 months ago
Quoted from Crewey:

Please could you elaborate on the Robocop installation, what are the limitations/potential of using this while pinsound is still unavailable?
Thanks

Sure, as i have some older data east thats not compatible with the other product i decided to give tilt audio a try. Well chuffed i did as its great.

As with any tilt install you have to solder the board.
Then I couldn't find any available altsounds so I created my own with pinmame. I trimmed each sound in a sound editor and altered the csv. I then created another sound pack using original movie music.
Its now fitted and i can change between original sounds and movie soundtrack.

So I guess the upside is its cheap compatible and a great product. Downside is it can go wrong if your not happy soldering or setting up software.

I'm happy to share sound packs tho if you don't want to make one yourself

#1988 7 months ago

Also sorted the WiFi connections now so multiple boards working on a network.

Steve is a legend

#1989 7 months ago
Quoted from Dovey79:

Sure, as i have some older data east thats not compatible with the other product i decided to give tilt audio a try. Well chuffed i did as its great.
As with any tilt install you have to solder the board.
Then I couldn't find any available altsounds so I created my own with pinmame. I trimmed each sound in a sound editor and altered the csv. I then created another sound pack using original movie music.
Its now fitted and i can change between original sounds and movie soundtrack.
So I guess the upside is its cheap compatible and a great product. Downside is it can go wrong if your not happy soldering or setting up software.
I'm happy to share sound packs tho if you don't want to make one yourself

That's awesome!
Soldering isn't a problem, I'm likely to face more issues on the software side tbh.

2 weeks later
#1990 6 months ago
Quoted from pinballguy7:

I have the same issue with my DE Star Trek. I did some digging with the schematics and a logic probe and discovered that the CPU board never toggles the CLK(STB) line going to the sound board. I have verified this by probing the CLK(STB) line on the original sound board, nothing. This leads me to believe the original sound board's code merely polls the data lines at a specific rate. Very odd choice, perhaps the core code was orignally written for an earlier board design. In any case, I believe the firmware in Tilt Audio will need to poll the data buss instead of relying on the CLK line to trigger the interrupt.

steve45 It's been a year since I was working this issue so just curious if any changes have been made that would resolve the issue with DE Star Trek

1 week later
#1991 6 months ago

What sub woofer setups are you all using?
Unpowered?
Using the built in amp?
What ohm speaker and size?

Powered?
What amp?
What are you connecting to the Raspberry pi?
Is it possible to use backbox speakers connected to the on board amp and a powered subwoofer connected to the Raspberry pi at the same time?
What settings in the config are you using?

1 week later
#1992 5 months ago

Trying to get the image version 1.38 running on (or actually two) Rasp 3A+. Both pi's refuse to boot. The red light is solid and the green led blinks 4 times and then 7 times quick. Tried multiple power sources, but no succes. The pi's both work with latest raspian NOOB. Then they boot like a charm... The image (SD) works when I put it in a 2B+...

Anyone got this working on a 3A+? other advice?

thx

#1993 5 months ago
Quoted from Joost996me:

Trying to get the image version 1.38 running on (or actually two) Rasp 3A+. Both pi's refuse to boot. The red light is solid and the green led blinks 4 times and then 7 times quick. Tried multiple power sources, but no succes. The pi's both work with latest raspian NOOB. Then they boot like a charm... The image (SD) works when I put it in a 2B+...
Anyone got this working on a 3A+? other advice?
thx

I am having the exact same problem, only with RPi 3B+ refusing to boot (Image version 1.38, update version 1.41). I'm also seeing the same number/combination of green LED flashes. As you, I re-flashed NOOBs to the same card that had image 1.38 on it to "prove" the cards were not corrupted. Again, as you experienced, the Pi's then boot like a charm!! FYI - I performed my tests with the Pi off the TiltAudio board, on the bench, so it is definitely not the TA board causing the problem.

Seeing your post, I PM Steve and hopefully he will respond with a fix. I have been corresponding to him with assembly questions and found him to be very responsive. Hopefully he will have a fix identified for the both of us in short order.

Karl

#1994 5 months ago
Quoted from texasbulldog:

I am having the exact same problem, only with RPi 3B+ refusing to boot (Image version 1.38, update version 1.41). I'm also seeing the same number/combination of green LED flashes. As you, I re-flashed NOOBs to the same card that had image 1.38 on it to "prove" the cards were not corrupted. Again, as you experienced, the Pi's then boot like a charm!! FYI - I performed my tests with the Pi off the TiltAudio board, on the bench, so it is definitely not the TA board causing the problem.
Seeing your post, I PM Steve and hopefully he will respond with a fix. I have been corresponding to him with assembly questions and found him to be very responsive. Hopefully he will have a fix identified for the both of us in short order.
Karl

Good to hear i am not the only one with this problem. Tried it on 3 different (new) pi's 3A+ en B+, on three new quality sd cards. With 3 different power adapters. Off or on the Tiltaudio board. Even tried to install version 1.34 but same result. Tried 1.38 and 1.41. All the pi’s do boot on other installs/Raspbian disks….

The flashed cards all work on a 2B+. Flashed all cards with different devices/etc, but no succes. When I replace the kernel.img and start.elf with version from another installation the green light remains solid green, so no 4xlong -7xquick pattern.

So it seems to be a software related problem. Hope Steve will provide any answers, or an option to install the software on a working Raspbian installation…

#1995 5 months ago
Quoted from Joost996me:

Good to hear i am not the only one with this problem. Also did the testing with the pi's both off and on the audio board. Tried it on 3 different (new) pi's 3A+ en B+, on three new quality sd cards. With 3 different power adapters. Even tried to install 1.34 but same result. All the pi’s do boot on other installs/Raspbian disks….
The flashed cards all work on a 2B+. When I replace the kernel.img and start.elf with version from another installation the green light remains solid green, so no 4xlong -7xquick pattern.
So it seems to be a software related problem. Hope Steve will provide any answers, or an option to install the software on a working Raspbian installation…

#1996 5 months ago
Quoted from Joost996me:

Good to hear i am not the only one with this problem. Tried it on 3 different (new) pi's 3A+ en B+, on three new quality sd cards. With 3 different power adapters. Off or on the Tiltaudio board. Even tried to install version 1.34 but same result. Tried 1.38 and 1.41. All the pi’s do boot on other installs/Raspbian disks….
The flashed cards all work on a 2B+. Flashed all cards with different devices/etc, but no succes. When I replace the kernel.img and start.elf with version from another installation the green light remains solid green, so no 4xlong -7xquick pattern.
So it seems to be a software related problem. Hope Steve will provide any answers, or an option to install the software on a working Raspbian installation…

If you enable HDMI output and attach a screen - what does it say on boot?

#1997 5 months ago
Quoted from Zigzagzag:

If you enable HDMI output and attach a screen - what does it say on boot?

It doenst boot, so black screen only, I think it may have to do with the need to update the OS to be able to boot on a rpi3. But i presumed the image was tested and proven to boot up on rsp3.

Do you have it running on a raspi3 using the provided image 1.38?

Thanks for the support!

#1998 5 months ago
Quoted from Joost996me:

It doenst boot, so black screen only

Same for me, black screen only.

Quoted from Joost996me:

Tried it on 3 different (new) pi's 3A+ en B+, on three new quality sd cards. With 3 different power adapters.

I used the USB port from my computer during the bench test. It had no problem powering the Pi with NOOBs on the micro card. Screen showed the Pi fully functional when running with NOOBs.

Karl

#1999 5 months ago
Quoted from Joost996me:

It doenst boot, so black screen only, I think it may have to do with the need to update the OS to be able to boot on a rpi3. But i presumed the image was tested and proven to boot up on rsp3.
Do you have it running on a raspi3 using the provided image 1.38?
Thanks for the support!

It's been a while, so I can't remember.
I just remembered having to enable HDMI as described here : https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-creature-holo-mod-for-cftbl/page/3#post-6170514

#2000 5 months ago
Quoted from Zigzagzag:

It's been a while, so I can't remember.
I just remembered having to enable HDMI as described here : https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-creature-holo-mod-for-cftbl/page/3#post-6170514

Thank you for the support, i see a tiltaudio logo on the pi that boots. The raspi3 doenst even get to the point were a display is showed, so i am not sure how to implement the text in the link.

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