Great project!! Can this be used (with a WPC89 dmd board) to replace a WPC95 AV board like you can do with a pinsound board?
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Quoted from steve45:Just a quick heads-up: I'm currently out of amplifiers and china supply chain has actually some problems (see https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/bcu7xb/oops_this_item_is_unavailable/ ). In the meantime I managed to order some, but expect some delay in shipping. Sorry for that.
Br Steve
ebay.com link: 10W 2 DC 7 15V PAM8610 Digital Audio Stereo Amplifier PCB Circuit Board Mod F7U5
Quoted from lucky1:Please check wether all pins are properly connected and software is configured for DataEast.
Please also try to upload the logfile.
this is what leads me to believe that i need mapping, but steve says no, with new version
ERROR RasPiSnd [loadHashMappingByName] [sound_util.c:758] loading hashes from /boot/data/sound/Star_Wars_OST_1_Vader77/config.raspisnd FAILED
2019-04-26 16:48:45.943 DEBUG RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:272] reading config from: /boot/data/sound/Star_Wars_OST_1_Vader77/config.ini
2019-04-26 16:48:45.943 WARN RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:315] config config.ini not found in /boot/data/sound/Star_Wars_OST_1_Vader77
2019-04-26 16:48:45.943 DEBUG RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fi
Quoted from Pesmerga:Great project!! Can this be used (with a WPC89 dmd board) to replace a WPC95 AV board like you can do with a pinsound board?
It runs with the newer WPC machines but it does not replace the av board. The av board is still needed for the video (DMD) part.
But it replaces audio generation.
/Steve
Quoted from steve45:It runs with the newer WPC machines but it does not replace the av board. The av board is still needed for the video (DMD) part.
But it replaces audio generation.
/Steve
Yes, i think that's why with the pinsound it is needed a wpc89 video board too to successfully replace the AV board!
Maybe there is a way to use it with ŕaspisound too!
Quoted from Pesmerga:Yes, i think that's why with the pinsound it is needed a wpc89 video board too to successfully replace the AV board!
Maybe there is a way to use it with ŕaspisound too!
I never tried it but it should basically the same. The boards share the same data bus and are chained together one after the other.
This setup should work with the TILT! Audio board as well.
Br Steve
Quoted from lucky1:Please upload the complete logfile.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wih6qwfk9y6zfjk/raspin%20%284%29.log?dl=0
A friend of mine did a quick test with a blue 2.5 TILT!Audio board on a data east StarWars. Works like a charm:
(thx Ralf for providing the video)
Br Steve
There's a 1.25rc10 already that fixes that bug: https://mega.nz/#!h5hkHQxb!dU1MY5vyHfgk_S-j0A4ZQyWFYkr3yXiTwFtqsVgUjrA
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Quoted from steve45:A friend of mine did a quick test with a blue 2.5 TILT!Audio board on a data east StarWars. Works like a charm:
(thx Ralf for providing the video)
Br Steve
This is obviously an alternate sound package but there are a few sounds that are left over from the original sound package that are playing at the wrong time. For example, “Death Star approaching” doesn’t play when the ball is ejected into the shooter lane. It plays when the Death Star target is hit with the required amount of time. I would like to see a video of the original sound package and compare to the real sound board.
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Remember to read the assembly revision for that version, as there is still a couple of small errors: https://tiltaudio.com/2019/04/18/assembly-instructions-for-2-5c-green/
Quoted from Phantasize:Remember to read the assembly revision for that version, as there is still a couple of small errors: https://tiltaudio.com/2019/04/18/assembly-instructions-for-2-5c-green/
Thanks for the reminder 
Does anybody have a picture of a completed 2.5c board?
The easyeda site doesn’t appear to have the 2.5x schematics on there any more and I’d like to verify the placement for the thread resistors, left .156 header connectors and the single tantalum cap.
E02638DE-4A98-498F-8F65-BDE01D4A76FE (resized).jpegQuoted from Wharhed:The easyeda site doesn’t appear to have the 2.5x schematics on there any more
You find it here: https://easyeda.com/steve45/raspisnd-i2s. The tantalum cap should be included but is only needed for DataEast pot volume control replacement.
Quoted from steve45:You find it here: https://easyeda.com/steve45/raspisnd-i2s. The tantalum cap should be included but is only needed for DataEast pot volume control replacement.
Perfect! Thanks again man, I appreciate it. I'm going to wrap this up tonight and see if I can get it up and running.
Quick update: new board revision arrived AKA "the red board" -> finally fixed all flaws of its predecessors.
IMG_20190510_175836s (resized).jpg
Also note the nice little sticker that is included in each kit. Today all pieces are in stock! So go ahead and order your kit today: https://go-dmd.de/produkt/tiltaudio-kit-mit-neuem-2-5-board/
Thx & have a nice weekend Steve
I ordered 2.5d boards on my own a few weeks ago and they look great. Still waiting for all my components to show up from China though 
I have everything except the amps now I think. As soon as I get them, 3 machines will be getting new boards, and Ill probably build one up for a buddy since minimum order was 5 pcbs. Cant wait to try them out!
Quoted from BrewNinja:I ordered 2.5d boards on my own a few weeks ago and they look great. Still waiting for all my components to show up from China though I have everything except the amps now I think. As soon as I get them, 3 machines will be getting new boards, and Ill probably build one up for a buddy since minimum order was 5 pcbs. Cant wait to try them out!
I’d take one of those bare boards if you end up with a spare.
Hi all, does anybody have a good working soundset for data East star wars, that they can share with me.thanks
The new version 1.25 is out!! You can find update files and brand new images here:
Update file for 1.25 https://mega.nz/#!hh4EwKZa!y0zpyWfsMRV8Kr1p3touUfR9FXKJVoEEdTddDSQoF_s
Small Image:https://mega.nz/#!w9RlVa5Q!3kkSyMIoBbqQNsGQXv6x9hXZ-ZZsQIhS3K_MRZqIWiU to be used with 4GB sd card + usb stick for sound
Big Image: https://mega.nz/#!h85jGSSL!aQU2r7r7SLUHxQl_G453G-JKBSQEq6V6DmnvAQqky3I to be used with 16GB sd card for firmware and sound
So whats new:
Better and easy Wifi Setup. The board creates its own hotspot, if wifi was not setup, so you can easily connect and configure everything.
TILT_Audio-wifi-setup (resized).jpg
10 band equalizer
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For the main audio devices there is now an additional device, that integrates an equalizer into the output stream:
TILT_Audio-equal (resized).jpg
So you can easily adjust and fine tune the sound output by using equalizer controls.
Find a full and more detailed description for the new 1.25 here https://tiltaudio.com/2019/05/11/whats-new-with-firmware-1-25/
NOTE: the two main features (wifi setup / equalizer) will only work if, you install the new image. Only update zip is not enough in this case.
Br Steve
I read back through the posts but can’t find the information I was looking for.
With the new firmware I thought I read that the mapping file is no longer needed. Is this correct? Also, where are the sounds downloaded from. Are we still getting the packages from Pinsound? I thought this was one of the problems they had with this project.
I also want to confirm that the new firmware will work with version 2 boards?
Quoted from Lonzo:I read back through the posts but can’t find the information I was looking for.
With the new firmware I thought I read that the mapping file is no longer needed. Is this correct? Also, where are the sounds downloaded from. Are we still getting the packages from Pinsound? I thought this was one of the problems they had with this project.
I also want to confirm that the new firmware will work with version 2 boards?
There's a lot of sound packages available online. TILT!Audio support 4 different formats until now and I guess there's nobody out there ended up with having built a kit but no sound.
Yes the new firmware will also work with version 2.x shields.
No idea about the Frenchman, I push my project forward and there was a lot of progress and new features.
Br Steve
Can you be more specific on sound package locations on the internet? I have searched and found not VP sound sets on VPForums or VPuniverse.
Quoted from steve45:There's a lot of sound packages available online. TILT!Audio support 4 different formats until now and I guess there's nobody out there ended up with having built a kit but no sound.
Yes the new firmware will also work with version 2.x shields.
No idea about the Frenchman, I push my project forward and there was a lot of progress and new features.
Br Steve
Quoted from Lonzo:Can you be more specific on sound package locations on the internet? I have searched and found not VP sound sets on VPForums or VPuniverse.
Did you ask for a specific soundset there ? Due to the usage of copyrighted material in the soundsets like original soundtracks of the movie they are not in the download section.
I have a build kit that plays sounds at the wrong time. So it's like I have one with no sounds. It doesn't play a couple of wrong songs, it plays pretty much all wrong sounds
Quoted from kba78:I have a build kit that plays sounds at the wrong time. So it's like I have one with no sounds. It doesn't play a couple of wrong songs, it plays pretty much all wrong sounds
If you're looking for help you're going to need to post some information about the game. Details like -
Which game?
Which board revision?
Where did you get the sound files?
How is your USB drive folders structured
Sounds like you have a scrambled sound set
Data East star wars sound set from Steve, unscrambled
2.5 shield
Sd card
All sounds work, just triggered at wrong time
As some of you hesitate to build the board, just because it has also some SMD components on it, I did a quick video that shows how easy it is to solder them. No cut, just live recorded, 5 min.
Br Steve
maybe I'll buy a pre-made one. I fuct the first board and the 2nd one I sent off to get finished hasnt gotten back to me yet....if ever.
Quoted from Vimtoman:Anyone manage to get the java conversion program working.
Does run but does not produce anything in the config file?
I've tried it on a few different soundsets and I get the same results:
sound-set-conversion-failed (resized).PNGThe converter can only run with the matching config file included in the soundset folder.
Looks like this is missing. There was a post on flippermarkt, mentioning some site with altsound packages. May be there is something included you're looking for ...
Quoted from steve45:The converter can only run with the matching config file included in the soundset folder.
Looks like this is missing. There was a post on flippermarkt, mentioning some site with altsound packages. May be there is something included you're looking for ...
There was a config file in the sound set from a certain vendor. What exactly is conversion utility looking for? If you want to take it to PM, that works too
1 week later
I finally took the time this evening and put one of my spare TILT!Audio boards into my msf game. Took only a few minutes to replace and it plays very nice.
My msf has a few more mods like extra leds in backbox speakers, big color pin2dmd and also the whole gi is rgb. But to be honest the biggest thrill is always the new sound. Of course I replaced the speakers as well to get more volume and clearer sound.
Br Steve
Sydney
Hi Steve,
Received your red board kit a few days ago, and built it today. All went well, and I've installed it in my ST:TNG and successfully connected to it via WiFi. I've put firmware 1.25 on it. This board is replacing a Pinsound board in the machine, so I copied over the ST:TNG Original sound set over to the Tilt board. It seems I'm running into the scrambled soundset problem:
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 INFO RasPiSnd [main] [despi.c:810] max soundsets: 1
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 ERROR RasPiSnd [loadHashMappingByName] [sound_util.c:758] loading hashes from /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/config.raspisnd FAILED
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 DEBUG RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:272] reading config from: /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/config.ini
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 WARN RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:315] config config.ini not found in /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 DEBUG RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:272] reading config from: /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/config.raspisnd
2019-05-25 07:53:35.359 WARN RasPiSnd [readConfig] [fileutil.c:315] config config.raspisnd not found in /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original
2019-05-25 07:53:35.360 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:450] gain for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/jingle is 15
2019-05-25 07:53:35.360 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:452] no of serial cmds for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/jingle is 0
2019-05-25 07:53:35.360 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:450] gain for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/music is 15
2019-05-25 07:53:35.360 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:452] no of serial cmds for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/music is 0
2019-05-25 07:53:35.367 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:450] gain for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/sfx is 15
2019-05-25 07:53:35.368 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:452] no of serial cmds for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/sfx is 0
2019-05-25 07:53:35.394 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:450] gain for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/voice is 15
2019-05-25 07:53:35.395 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scan] [sound_util.c:452] no of serial cmds for /boot/data/sound/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation_Original/voice is 0
2019-05-25 07:53:35.467 DEBUG RasPiSnd [scanAll] [sound_util.c:800] scan done id hash is: 1145143795
2019-05-25 07:53:35.467 ERROR RasPiSnd [loadHashMappingByName] [sound_util.c:758] loading hashes from configs/1145143795.raspisnd FAILED
2019-05-25 07:53:35.467 ERROR RasPiSnd [initSamples] [sound_util.c:875] looks like a scrambled soundset is used, but no mapping provided
2019-05-25 07:53:35.469 DEBUG RasPiSnd [playSystemSound] [sdl_sound.c:513] play sound: sounds/scrambled-ids.ogg
2019-05-25 07:53:37.874 DEBUG RasPiSnd [playSystemSound] [sdl_sound.c:513] play sound: sounds/config-missing.ogg
2019-05-25 07:53:39.683 DEBUG RasPiSnd [playSystemSound] [sdl_sound.c:513] play sound: sounds/mode.ogg
2019-05-25 07:53:40.287 DEBUG RasPiSnd [playSystemSound] [sdl_sound.c:513] play sound: sounds/wpc.ogg
2019-05-25 07:53:41.491 DEBUG RasPiSnd [playSystemSound] [sdl_sound.c:513] play sound: sounds/dcs.ogg
I've seen earlier messages that indicate I should be using a mapping file, but I can't find any at the links that have been posted.
Any help or guidance you could give would be appreciated.
Quick question. I have 2.5d boards, is the correct audio output the equal-dac to use just the normal speaker out?
The equal-dac should give you access to a 10 band equalizer, but i never got that to work on my board. It just keeps saying that the device is busy. I reported it to Steve, but i don't think he has had the time to look into it yet.
I don't remember all of the choices, but i believe there is also one just called dac, which should be just fine if you don't need the eq.
Quoted from Phantasize:The equal-dac should give you access to a 10 band equalizer, but i never got that to work on my board. It just keeps saying that the device is busy. I reported it to Steve, but i don't think he has had the time to look into it yet.
I don't remember all of the choices, but i believe there is also one just called dac, which should be just fine if you don't need the eq.
I took some time this afternoon to dig into that weird equalizer not running problem and finally found it. Damn the programmers of the ALSA sound system and especially there error handling!! If there is an arbitrary little piece wrong in the setup the driver (or plugin) simply crashes with no comment why.
In this case the equalizer plugin relying on the HOME environment var set when process executes, if not set then exits with a misleading error message and a "half open" device. In addition systemd on the one hand executes all services as root be default, but ONLY if you configure "User=root" it also sets HOME and USER environment vars. ARRGGHH!!
Long story short: Equalizer not works with the 1.27 update: https://mega.nz/#!p9hUCSYA!QGu7Bv5ViQW74-xYgMPQ2T1L1I8qIQhP2leHd3YxGpM
You may need to reboot after the update is installed.
Br Steve
Quoted from steve45:I took some time this afternoon to dig into that weird equalizer not running problem and finally found it. Damn the programmers of the ALSA sound system and especially there error handling!! If there is an arbitrary little piece wrong in the setup the driver (or plugin) simply crashes with no comment why.
In this case the equalizer plugin relying on the HOME environment var set when process executes, if not set then exits with a misleading error message and a "half open" device. In addition systemd on the one hand executes all services as root be default, but ONLY if you configure "User=root" it also sets HOME and USER environment vars. ARRGGHH!!
Long story short: Equalizer not works with the 1.27 update: https://mega.nz/#!p9hUCSYA!QGu7Bv5ViQW74-xYgMPQ2T1L1I8qIQhP2leHd3YxGpM
You may need to reboot after the update is installed.
Br Steve
ALSA kind of sucks for WAY more reasons than this. Glad you figured it out though!
Im having some issues getting my newly built board to work. Not sure where to start. I have tried with both 1.25 and 1.27. This is the error Im seeing on boot:
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:833] Env for audio: NOT SET
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:837] Using audio from settings: 'equal-dac'
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:847] SDL mixer init: v2.4.0, device: equal-dac
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:762] OpenAudio: freq=44100, format=32784, ch=2, dev=equal-dac
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:765] error on Mix_OpenAudio: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Operation not permitted.
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:732] Mix_QuerySpec returned error: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Operation not permitted
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 DEBUG RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:733] Calling Mix_CloseAudio()
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 INFO RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:768] fallback to default audio
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:732] Mix_QuerySpec returned error: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Device or resource busy
Here is the full logfile: https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArdtzWfkcdJUh5NclBRw5pOy02fy5Q
No idea where to even start. Ive been in IT for 18 years, so I can do anything you ask 
Quoted from BrewNinja:Im having some issues getting my newly built board to work. Not sure where to start. I have tried with both 1.25 and 1.27. This is the error Im seeing on boot:
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:833] Env for audio: NOT SET
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:837] Using audio from settings: 'equal-dac'
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [soundInit] [sdl_sound.c:847] SDL mixer init: v2.4.0, device: equal-dac
2019-05-31 00:56:46.086 DEBUG RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:762] OpenAudio: freq=44100, format=32784, ch=2, dev=equal-dac
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:765] error on Mix_OpenAudio: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Operation not permitted.
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:732] Mix_QuerySpec returned error: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Operation not permitted
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 DEBUG RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:733] Calling Mix_CloseAudio()
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 INFO RasPiSnd [openAudioDevice] [sdl_sound.c:768] fallback to default audio
2019-05-31 00:56:46.126 ERROR RasPiSnd [closeAudio] [sdl_sound.c:732] Mix_QuerySpec returned error: ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Device or resource busy
Here is the full logfile: https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArdtzWfkcdJUh5NclBRw5pOy02fy5Q
No idea where to even start. Ive been in IT for 18 years, so I can do anything you ask
All you need to do is to add the line
export HOME=/root
at the beginning of the pinsound.sh start script in /home/pi/despi
The update mechanism failed because it's updated the new startscript tiltaudio.sh which obviously isn't used as the environment that shows up in the provided logfile has no "HOME" variable.
Need to rework the update or stick to the old name until the next complete image is ready for distribution.
Br Steve
The update mechanism itself was partly broken since rebranding to TILT!Audio. Effectively the start script was never updated since then. This time start script also needed an update and that how the problem show up.
Anyway, here is a new update package that should also update the new tiltaudio.sh startscript and therefore finally fix the equalizer problem.
https://mega.nz/#!wwJ2AYJS!5Ruf14SszDRGanOidpHxi8tn2NkZB-hhQOUdgWATbLQ
Cheers Steve
Thers's now also ready to use images based on version 1.27. As always two flavors big for 16GB sd card with sound data also on sd card and small for sound data on usb stick.
1.27 big: https://mega.nz/#!ww403IjQ!BYp4fIWFxfuakk3-kvcyHwJ6GPm15h6NHdedsJOIV20
1.27 small: https://mega.nz/#!k8x1hCYC!6N_0LxDN6SCuz_uLQzm6_lyz59ewPz1Qfb6Z1i4nYo4
Small even fits on old 4GB cards. Please use etcher to flash images to sd card.
Br Steve
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