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Rebirth of Heighway Pinball


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#351 2 years ago

Reading between the lines....

Quoted from Whysnow:

I actually made a promise to say exactly what I thought of the game; good or bad;

Agreements were to keep it running well, provide audits, provide code suggestions as I played and got player feedback. On the Heighway side, the agreement was that we get a full production playfield to drop in and swap

I think it's fair to say, I wasn't far off my guess. You made a promise to give your thoughts, good/bad.

You had an agreement to provide audits etc

Just feels like most who received had more to the fact than just simply being a pre-order or paying in full.

#352 2 years ago

<Just feels like most who received had more to the fact than just simply being a pre-order or paying in full.

Exactly. Very shady.

#353 2 years ago

At Expo, hanging with Andrew, I dont remember anyone NOT offering a review, write up, blog, podcast, league,
show etc, to get one faster......including me!

#354 2 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

At Expo, hanging with Andrew, I dont remember anyone NOT offering a review, write up, blog, podcast, league,
show etc, to get one faster......including me!

Fair enough and to each their own.

However, I don't believe I should have been offered free shipping to provide last minute cash flow. I had no deposit and wasn't paid in full. Why should I receive before full paid or partly paid customers? I sure as hell don't think a guy patiently waiting for years should be jumped because you have a blog, YouTube channel, league etc

#355 2 years ago

I'm anxious to see how the new HP will run, cut through the noise and get to brass tacks.

#356 2 years ago

Okay...we can now see that what was happening was getting pretty shady........but WTF does any of it have to do with the "Rebirth"? New people are taking over. I think we can at least hear them out before we totally shit on them. It might come to that...it might not.

#357 2 years ago

Only one who can pull this company out of the abyss is...

http://www.cnbc.com/the-profit/

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#358 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I did not jump any line. We made a deal LONG ago, basically once we got our Full Throttle it was locked down.
I made no agreement for any sort of PR. I actually made a promise to say exactly what I thought of the game; good or bad; just so happens I think it is a great game so it was easy to focus on the positives with it. Agreements were to keep it running well, provide audits, provide code suggestions as I played and got player feedback. On the Heighway side, the agreement was that we get a full production playfield to drop in and swap with out pre-production/prototype pf once any bugs are worked out and things are in full swing (my request was sometime after the first 100 were out the door)
I have to say that I still love playing it and the players seem to also (would be nice if our lights worked 100% of the time and the xeno could be turned on). Aside from lights being intermittent in/out the mechs have held up spectacular. Despite all the issues they have had on the get it done front, the game is solid and has all the makings of an A list hit!
I really hope that this buy out does what is needed to make it all happen and they make the magic happen. They have got a rock star theme, playing, ruleset, and sound package on their hands. If they can clean up the bugs and produce in quantity, then I think people are going to line up to buy it still.

I've kinda wondered about that. You go to the extremes to become a hype man and tend to get your machine before/if anyone else. You have a good track record: Alien, Wooly. Predator didn't work out, but cant win em all.

#359 2 years ago

Im in for 2 more weeks. If i still dont get any communication im out.

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#360 2 years ago
Quoted from lordloss:

I've kinda wondered about that. You go to the extremes to become a hype man and tend to get your machine before/if anyone else. You have a good track record: Alien, Wooly. Predator didn't work out, but cant win em all.

I am a passionate and out spoken proponent for pretty much all things pinball. You should try being positive once in a while and see what comes of it. I am not sure what is to wonder about anything. I often take the proactive steps to support new pinball, convince my partners to buy in and take risks on buying new games, and then put those games on route for people to beat on and have fun. It is usually pretty easy to convince any manufacturer to send you an early game when you are willing to pay for it, put it on route, give feedback and audits/be a beta=tester/early adopter so they can get good feedback to make improvements prior to full production

My passion is not a ploy or made up like you tend to be. I genuinely love pinball and sharing pinball. If that means a side perk is I get to help pay for and debut new games then that is great. Lots of risk with passion, but all worth it to be able to share new games with the community. Heck, I was on route today and met 2 completely new to me couples while loading in a game and fixing another. Talk about putting a smile on your face when you see not 1, but 2 couples out on a Sunday afternoon enjoying a beer and each others company over some games of pinball! I like to think that their Sunday activities and that experience is all worth dealing with the people like you in the larger community.

You seem to still be uber butt hurt over something but I am not sure what it is all about. Does all this hate stem from when you wanted to scam your way into the MGC afterparty and got called out on it. You did not want to play by the rules then and ever since you have this real pent up teenager type angst against me and many other WI pinheads. I honestly suggest some deep reflection on what has you so tweaked at life and realize that it is only pinball and it is supposed to be fun. Stop looking for some ulterior motive or trying to paint everything with your brown colored glasses and you may just see that pinball and the larger community is made up of some great and passionate people just trying to make it all happen.

Let me know when you want to swing by Madison for some pinball and beers. First round is on me.

side note: we will have some more fun and exciting games to debut early in production runs in the coming months so you may want to time your visit with one of them.

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#361 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I am a passionate and out spoken proponent for pretty much all things pinball. You should try being positive once in a while and see what comes of it

Says the guy who goes out of his way to rate phenomenal games with absolute dogshit numbers. Hilton - the "H" stands for HYPOCRISY.

#362 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Says the guy who goes out of his way to rate phenomenal games with absolute dogshit numbers. Hilton - the "H" stands for HYPOCRISY.

I was going to just laugh at the exact section you quoted, but your way of saying it pretty much covers it for me.

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#363 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Says the guy who goes out of his way to rate phenomenal games with absolute dogshit numbers. Hilton - the "H" stands for HYPOCRISY.

sorry I dont like the same games as you bub.

I know you are hurt that I dont like Family Guy, but what can I say it is just not for me. I know we are all supposed to have the same opinions on games as the all mighty RareHero, but I guess I missed that episode.

#364 2 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

It should also be noted that the Pinsider who posted those facts was perma banned from all Heighway threads.

Searched for it, this was it.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread/page/141#post-3301083

#365 2 years ago

that had nothing to do with why he was perma banned. The posts are still there (albeit edited or some deleted) and occurred months later The reason for being permabanned relatd to this.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread/page/168#post-3401181

They appear edited/missing the core of the content that was out of line. I just point this out because I dont think any Pinside staff were trying to protect or hide anything. They were banning for other and appropriate reasons so no need to rewrite the narrative.

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#366 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

sorry I dont like the same games as you bub.
I know you are hurt that I dont like Family Guy, but what can I say it is just not for me. I know we are all supposed to have the same opinions on games as the all mighty RareHero, but I guess I missed that episode.

I don't care that you don't like FG. Metallica isn't a fucking 1. You go out of your way for ridiculous ratings. Even games I don't like end up getting higher ratings than a 1.

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#367 2 years ago

I've said it before: Anybody that gives ANY pinball game a 1 simply doesn't like pinball.

Worst f**king game ever for me, I'd be hard pressed to go below a 3 or 4.

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#368 2 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

I've said it before: Anybody that gives ANY pinball game a 1 simply doesn't like pinball.
Worst f**king game ever for me, I'd be hard pressed to go below a 3 or 4.

is this really where you guys are going again, lol.

We get it... you dont like MY rating system.

my.pdf

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#369 2 years ago

Alright, might be time for you guys to knock it off and take it to PM/separate therad. This is a HP thread, not a 'I like this game and you don't' thread.

#370 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Even games I don't like end up getting higher ratings than a 1.

lol, sure they do RareHypocrite

https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/rarehero/ratings

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#371 2 years ago

Very useful information! That couldn't have been what did it.

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#372 2 years ago

I did that to make fun of you.

#374 2 years ago

I posted this in the other Alien thread but I thought I would throw this out here.

Here's what I have a hard time understanding:

- Say there are 100 paid in full customers waiting for their game.
- 60 of them ask for their money back.
- So 60 x $6,500 = $390,000.

The new owners have to send $390,00 back and still they have to produce another 40 games at say $6,000 each so another $240,000.
That means the new owners would have to shell out at least $630,000 before they can even start to turn a single cent of profit.
They need to sort out the existing issues and spend hundred of thousands more for parts and labour to get new games done. Are these new owners willing to spend well over a million dollars to try and make this all happen?

I have a hard time understanding it but I hope they get it done.
QSS

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#375 2 years ago
Quoted from QuickSilverShelb:

I posted this in the other Alien thread but I thought I would throw this out here.
Here's what I have a hard time understanding:
- Say there are 100 paid in full customers waiting for their game.
- 60 of them ask for their money back.
- So 60 x $6,500 = $390,000.
The new owners have to send $390,00 back and still they have to produce another 40 games at say $6,000 each so another $240,000.
That means the new owners would have to shell out at least $630,000 before they can even start to turn a single cent of profit.
They need to sort out the existing issues and spend hundred of thousands more for parts and labour to get new games done. Are these new owners willing to spend well over a million dollars to try and make this all happen?
I have a hard time understanding it but I hope they get it done.
QSS

Do you know for a fact 60 (fully paid) people have asked for a refund?

We don't know how much they are willing and able to throw at this. We don't know how much will be needed...we don't know. And guess what...we likely will never know. We will only know if it worked or not after the fact.

#376 2 years ago
Quoted from Manimal:

This pre-pay crap has to stop.....period.

I agree to some degree... but also see the other side.
You can't expect to be able to build 1000 machines up front without some kind of "guarantee" that the pre-order guys are interested in a final purchase.
With Alien; it's probably a no brainer that you will eventually sell out of the machines you build.
With Full Throttle; there is no way I would have built more than a handful of machines. No theme = risk for sale later.

Preordering is a problem... but blindly building X # of machines is equally a problem.

Not sure the right answer.

#377 2 years ago
Quoted from Zitt:

Not sure the right answer.

Don't get into pinball manufacturing unless you have deep enough pockets to produce games and then sell them...and also be able to survive a miss fire or two early on?

#378 2 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

Do you know for a fact 60 (fully paid) people have asked for a refund?
.

Highly, highly doubt that many ( too lazy to post in both threads).....sleep time....

#379 2 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Highly, highly doubt that many ( too lazy to post in both threads).....sleep time....

I'm sure it's nowhere near that many. Most people are not fully paid.

#380 2 years ago

How many Alien pins are out in the wild?

If things don't work out and no more games are made, is Alien rarer than Magic Girl?!

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#381 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

sorry I dont like the same games as you bub.
I know you are hurt that I dont like Family Guy, but what can I say it is just not for me. I know we are all supposed to have the same opinions on games as the all mighty RareHero, but I guess I missed that episode.

The Simple fact that you have a game that was never made in mass quantities rated a 10 & yet have one of the better Sterns (Metallica) rated at just over a 1 is beyond ridiculous. When I've rated a games I don't like even detest they still had enough to get atleast a 3-5 rating. Your ratings are point blank embarrassing.

Sorry didn't read all below this post it looks like i'm just repeating what others think.

#382 2 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

Do you know for a fact 60 (fully paid) people have asked for a refund?

I have no idea at all. Just a guess on my part.

Quoted from Astropin:

I'm sure it's nowhere near that many. Most people are not fully paid.

That's good news. Hopefully there's not that many people paid in full.

QSS

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#383 2 years ago
Quoted from smassa:

The Simple fact that you have a game that was never made in mass quantities rated a 10 & yet have one of the better Sterns (Metallica) rated at just over a 1 is beyond ridiculous. When I've rated a games I don't like even detest they still had enough to get atlas a 3-5 rating. Your ratings are point blank embarrassing.
Sorry didn't read all below this post it looks like i'm just repeating what others think.

For a guy that says he loves pinball he certainly has some hate for some great titles. I don't own Metallica but couple friends do and it's awesome.

1.2 on Metallica, 1.6 acdc, 3 for Tron. He even scored medieval madness 4. Can't say I can take his Alien or Full throttle reviews seriously now.

#384 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

that had nothing to do with why he was perma banned.

Spot on (I did not thumb up Whysnow a lot in this subforum recently... here is a notable exception)

Mr68's thread ban has nothing to do with him providing the link - but I suppose that if one is really interested, one can directly ask Kim by PM...

Anyone could have googled "Heighway Pinball financial record" and get access to this public information anyway. I found this information too and provided the link in the French pinball forum some time ago (but no one cared anyway )
I also think I recall wcbrandes alluded to it in one of his posts.

We did remove a few unverified "Heighway revelations" made by duplicate/anonymous accounts. The exact same information posted by a legitimate pinsider would have stayed, but we simply could not allow slander.

Moderation in this subforum has been (is still) a difficult exercice. I have been reported myself for criticizing Heighway... and even for thumbing up people criticizing Heighway!

#385 2 years ago
Quoted from Grg:

For a guy that says he loves pinball he certainly has some hate for some great titles. I don't own Metallica but couple friends do and it's awesome.
1.2 on Metallica, 1.6 acdc, 3 for Tron. He even scored medieval madness 4. Can't say I can take his Alien or Full throttle reviews seriously now.

Agree 100%....Anything he's associated with I pretty much steer clear of.

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#386 2 years ago

It's called a shill. Plain and simple. Do not listen nor pay attention to any rankings a shill makes.

#387 2 years ago
Quoted from smassa:

The Simple fact that you have a game that was never made in mass quantities rated a 10 & yet have one of the better Sterns (Metallica) rated at just over a 1 is beyond ridiculous. When I've rated a games I don't like even detest they still had enough to get atleast a 3-5 rating. Your ratings are point blank embarrassing.

How in the world can Metallica rate a 1?? The art alone is worth a few points, and the ruleset is quite well done with the special CIU modes, which were (and still are) pretty unique. By rating a 1 he claims it's worse than games such as El Toro? Such a score is insulting to Borg and Sheats.

Hilton certainly is passionate, but he goes about demonstrating his passion in all the wrong ways most of the time.

#388 2 years ago

Heightasia is what they should call the new licensee of Alien and Full Throttle.

#389 2 years ago

Moved to Whysnow Ratings subforum!

... more seriously: try to keep the thread on topic, please.

#390 2 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

Okay...we can now see that what was happening was getting pretty shady........but WTF does any of it have to do with the "Rebirth"? New people are taking over. I think we can at least hear them out before we totally shit on them. It might come to that...it might not.

It's the same investors from the start so why would anything change I also read a post that they have been at the factory for 3 weeks so why have they not replied to any e mail
If they have been there for the last 3 weeks have they been overseeing people who where not on the aliens list rolling up and buying pins cash the whole thing absolutely stinks

#392 2 years ago
Quoted from Zitt:

I agree to some degree... but also see the other side.
You can't expect to be able to build 1000 machines up front without some kind of "guarantee" that the pre-order guys are interested in a final purchase.
With Alien; it's probably a no brainer that you will eventually sell out of the machines you build.
With Full Throttle; there is no way I would have built more than a handful of machines. No theme = risk for sale later.
Preordering is a problem... but blindly building X # of machines is equally a problem.
Not sure the right answer.

Totally agree,though i feel you need to have sufficient cash reserves in case stuff goes south.

#393 2 years ago

Anyone know if we are still getting the child friendly mode

#394 2 years ago

A very positive article it help me to keep me in a positive mood.

#395 2 years ago

This thread is pretty much dead to me until someone involved (the new investors) actually post some "real" information on here. All it is now is a bunch of little kids bickering back and forth......worthless!

Still trying really hard to hold out on my LE deposit.......

Brian

#396 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

that had nothing to do with why he was perma banned. The posts are still there (albeit edited or some deleted) and occurred months later The reason for being permabanned relatd to this.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread/page/168#post-3401181
They appear edited/missing the core of the content that was out of line. I just point this out because I dont think any Pinside staff were trying to protect or hide anything. They were banning for other and appropriate reasons so no need to rewrite the narrative.

Understood. Honestly, I don't remember who it was that posted it. I do recall reading it and thinking at that time (9 months ago) that it was some serious information to consider if it was validated, no matter who the poster was or what the intent was. I have no interest in Pinside drama nor do I care on who the mods eject or don't eject. Got more important things to worry about.

The point is that history and someone's track record should always be examined and this community could do with a bit more skepticism on operations.

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#397 2 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Moved to Whysnow Ratings subforum!
... more seriously: try to keep the thread on topic, please.

lol!

Would be awesome if there was an actual subforum for that! Then all the whiny babies that don't understand someone can have a different opinion on a game than them can go bitch to each other in one place.

I have wrote up many times why Mehtallica is one of the crappiest games ever IMHO, but they just cant grasp the idea that someone does not like their favorite title. I really did think some of these guys thumbs upping were a bit more intelligent and could #1 figure out that game opinions are entirely personal in nature and #2 that a ratings scale from 1 to 10 SHOULD actually use the entire scale. LOL, seriously... if Robin only wanted crappy games to be rated a 3 then he would have used a scale form 3-10. Damn geniuses I tell you.

these are the same people that rate everything a 3 out of 5 stars, expect teachers to only hand out As and Bs to their kids, and give green ribbons in track just for running the race. Some games just plain suck; those games get a 1.

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#398 2 years ago

Good read but could have used more quotes from parties involved and less opinions:

"There's no doubt Alien Pinball is an excellent game, with a great layout, amazing art..."

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#399 2 years ago

The sad part is, on more than one occasion ex-employees came forward to try and warn people what was going on, only to be labelled 'sh*t stirrers' or 'people trying to take down his company':

Remember these?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.pinball/dLymIc1UHB8/wsGLo5SDBgAJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/heighway%7Csort:relevance/rec.games.pinball/suzzpuosLHE/pNKJkyzZBAAJ

These were the warning signs that he had no idea how to handle employees, which is why so many good people left HP over the years.

Here's an example of how clueless he was when it came to mass production. When someone pointed out in one of their videos they seemed to using hand tools only on the assembly line and why weren't they using power tools, he came out with this nugget:
http://i.imgur.com/0AsCe6r.png

I'd say that if your employees are ruining playfields, then the issue lies in the training, not with the tools being used.

Edited to add: Hindsight is always 20/20

#400 2 years ago
Quoted from Sonny_Jim:

I'd say that if your employees are ruining playfields, then the issue lies in the training, not with the tools being used.

Gotta have power tools to crank out games.. I recall some pics of Stern or Williams lines with pneumatic tools hanging from the ceiling. Can't go wrong copying the leader.

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