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RAZA Pre-order Club: A Cautionary Tale

By NoMonkey

10 months ago


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“Which Edition Did You Order”

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Post #2440 Link to SEC filings story. Posted by BMore-Pinball (67 days ago)

Post #2468 Story of SEC indictment Posted by DakotaMike (67 days ago)

Post #2527 DR never owned the Zidware entity per report. Posted by wcbrandes (67 days ago)

Post #2676 Summary of DR outlandish things. Posted by TheFamilyArcade (66 days ago)

Post #2864 Charging back a RAZA preorder Posted by Mr68 (59 days ago)


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#1290 5 months ago

I’m over 100,000 years old, so guess I’m a boomer. I remember when Deeproot first attempted to make a pinball machine when I was 15.

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#1331 5 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Guess we’ll just see if that does happen. Likely not.

JJP ditched the original spinning magnet

#1372 5 months ago
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#1732 3 months ago

Saw a lot of action and came here to see fighting and no pins. SNAFU

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#1860 3 months ago

It’s strange how other pinball companies don’t have shortages or excuses on turning out pins, but DR somehow does? Good for Spooky keeping the line hot and visible

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#1867 3 months ago

“It’s very clear we can’t deliver your RAZA on an account of Spooky dun bought up all them darn Pin-Parts and UL certifications” - Robert Mueller

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#1940 89 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

It’s been lit

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#2020 82 days ago

So did RM finally tap out?

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#2122 80 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Yeah, it sucks that people that lost money, but it really doesn't take a whole lot of research to determine there were red flags littered everywhere.

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#2150 80 days ago

I just want to hear RM say this before he closes the doors “Pinball is very fkn difficult”

#2181 78 days ago

No pins, no employees, legal issues, the building crumbled to the ground and burned but the roof is somewhat intact. Must be more speculation

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#2183 78 days ago

Probably nothing to worry about. Normal companies ramping up to release their first product do so successfully by removing all their social media just prior to launch

#2235 77 days ago

Is this how you do 2 Buds?

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#2240 77 days ago

#2303 76 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

So you monkeys just keep humping that Robert DR football!!

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#2398 73 days ago
Quoted from Beechwood:

I just read the old JPOP thread, and 7 years ago Iceman said they were going to make 125 RAZA's.
Hmmmm.... and DR officially said they "sold" 123 games 7 years later?
Very odd coincidence.

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#2401 73 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I prefer ICEGELLAN! Lol

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#2434 68 days ago
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#2444 67 days ago

An End? This story just started

#2448 67 days ago

Yeah that didn’t age well. Poor Ice

#2504 67 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I am surprised to see this come down when it did. Figured it might take longer to play out. Although all it took was a few investment advisers that didn’t like the updates they were getting after placing their clients money with the 575 fund.
It’s not just Mueller, this is going to have far reaching consequences for all of those people. The people that dropped $58 mill into the fund had no idea about pinball and their advisors are gonna pay the price too.
$58 million. Like I’ve said many times before, pinball was just the sideline story to the much BIGGER picture
It looks like Bobby is in BIG trouble.
Whatever assets there are will be sold off and $$ collected to repay the investors in whatever way that means.
While it appears DR and Bobby are finished let’s see who and if someone steps into the void to pick up these games
How about those PPP funds? Don’t see this one ending well.

So you want to go 50/50 on the movie rights?

#2519 67 days ago
Quoted from Drewscruis:

That's because he is a man child....

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#2520 67 days ago

I just canceled my cable. Season 7 of Pinside’s Deeproot is the new Breaking Bad

#2528 67 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I prefer “Man Baby”.
Do a pic of me feeding my sheep followers.

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#2562 67 days ago

I think BOTH benheck & iceman44 should settle this on Kanedas show live.

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#2568 67 days ago
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#2746 64 days ago

Yeah the OP should change the first post from “I get that there are a lot of opinions regarding Deeproot and/or the people that are purchasing RAZA however I kindly ask that you take those opinions to a different thread.” TO “Fuck it, go ahead and light this thread up”

#2758 63 days ago

I actually was secretly rooting for these pins to see the light of day. There would have been so much chaos because even if Robert wasn’t getting owned by the SEC, there was no way Deeproot could survive into a second pin. That means we would have seen RAZAs for sale at $50k on the market and everyone would have lost their cookies. All the things you keep coming back to Pinside for.

#2774 62 days ago
Quoted from Beechwood:

Pre-ordering RAZA was not a gamble.
When you gamble, you at least have a chance at winning.

I mean they did produce 2 RAZAs. That’s like hitting 00 green on roulette

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#2787 62 days ago

If the math's not legit
the business ain't shit
The staff smell like armpit
it’s time for a bong hit
Hit it and quit!

#2866 59 days ago

Yeah if you purchased with a CC I’d be hitting up the CC Co, unless you still believe there’s a chance you’re getting a RAZA

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#2893 58 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

So it appears DR will likely not pull out of this tailspin so as planned I simply executed the emergency chute (out plan) and in only 3 days AMEX confirmed the “lack of product delivered” and Fully refunded every penny.

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#2907 58 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The disastrous September launch (no Tex Mex buffet!)

The REAL tragedy, RIP Texas Taco Town

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#3069 55 days ago
Quoted from Ferret:

I am coming up with new things. Things that will actually be playable pinball games that get delivered to customers. That's my job.

Make an Ozzy pin

#3178 49 days ago

Is everyone still arguing in a RAZA pre-order thread?

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#3201 44 days ago

I’m no expert and I could be reading this wrong but it appears the CC companies would have to refund you if you reported within 60 days. Everyone is way beyond that

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products

Also see “Disputing credit card billing errors after the 60-day dispute period ends”

#3210 41 days ago

So can we get a recap of cards to purchase pins on in the future?

AMEX refunds
B of A Doesn’t
Others?

#3214 37 days ago

Maybe you can request front row seats to the SEC trial in exchange?

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